Sabai, one wonders what’s going on with you. Your posts are frequently filled with angry childish personal attacks but never address my comments except in some silly snarky way. One suspects it’s actually you who’s blowing his own horn and who wants to be the leader of the band. In any case this thread has probably outlived its usefulness. Nothing is more alarming than to watch a cheap DIYer unravel. I hate to be too judgemental but almost everything I say seems to be too deep for you.
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Bluestone spoken here. A handsome stone if ever there was one. 18x18x3 $20 bucks at most Home Despot. Cannot beat with stick. Cones or springs. You decide.
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sabai OP
geoffkait,
Since you have no idea about the placement that I am using you can only speculate about how I use my "cheap DIY tiny little bowls" to give such stunning sound for only $70 for a set of 70. I am already working on where to place the next 60. I can afford the $60. Lol.
I already know the secrets of the magic bowls, grasshopper. You, on the other hand, obviously don’t. I see through you like you were made of glass.
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Sabai, you see everything. Except where to place the tiny little bowls. Which is really the most important part, no? That’s why it took so many of your cheap DIY tiny little bowls. Maybe put another 60 bowls around your room. Don't forget the other rooms. Franck would approve. 😃 |
Sabai, just curious, is English a second language? You seem to misunderstand my posts frequently or else put words in my mouth. I never said sand boxes don’t work. What I said was glass microspheres are superior to sand. As far as the tiny little bowls go there is no mystery about them except in your mind. Both acoustic waves and electromagnetic waves are like germs, what you can’t see can hurt you. One cannot really solve the puzzle of the tiny little bowls with getting his hands dirty and measuring the relevant parameters. Using intuition only scratches the surface. It’s like trying to solve a set of three simultaneous equations in ten unknowns. It’s the same idea as trying to position your speakers by trial and error and listening - you would be destined to find a local maximum, not the real maximum. I’ve already told you exactly how to solve the Riddle Of the Tiny Bowls. So, where’s the beef, Sabai? As for some things not being measurable who would know better than I?
Never get behind anyone 100%. - my old boss at NASA
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Well, first let me just say perfectly round glass microspheres are quite superior to sand which by comparison is all like knarly and won’t move in fluid like motion like the microspheres. Second, just reporting very good but surprising results experimenting with my trusty new RFI meter. Why guess when you can find the peaks of RF around the room. Like acoustic waves electromagnetic waves form standing waves in the room and energy peaks in various locations around the room. That’s why you might notice your iPad signal performance varies around the room. Of course this second point relates to our old friends, the tiny little bowls.
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sabai OP
My, my. Talk about touchy. Stalking? Lol. This is better than a sit-com.
Looks like you missed this -- again, "Has anyone else developed any special devices they would like to share ...?" Perhaps a new eyeglass prescription should be added to your to-do list.
What I think you meant to say is, "Has anyone else developed any special devices they would like to share so I can appropriate them and turn them into my own ideas that will be commercialized and classified SECRET?"
have a nice day
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sabai
geoffkait,
I guess you must have missed this -- repeated 3 times in the past 2 days:
"Getting back to the OP, I mentioned earlier that I have developed something special I am keeping close to my chest, for now. Has anyone else developed any special devices they would like to share, or not (for whatever reason)?"
so what? Haven't you been following my comments? Does this mean you have nothing more to say, I mean mean other than to stalk me?
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Sabai, why are all of your posts about me these days? Run out of relevant things to say? Maybe time for a time out....😃
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Sabai wrote
geoffkait,
No need to be so touchy. These are not personal attacks at all. If you look at what is being said you will see these comments are simply observations of fact.
Observations of fact? You and your Droogies are unable to see the truth. Your observations are silly. Good luck with quest for mediocrity.
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Sabai
geoffkait,
I am not trying to straighten you out or convince you of anything at all. Just making some observations that need to be made. When you draw attention to yourself in the way that you do you can only expect this to happen. You are inviting it.
Sabai, am not inviting anything, especially all of the personal attacks. Do you think this is my first rodeo? Do you think you’re the king loony here? I’m drawing attention to my ideas. My free ideas. You either don’t understand what I’m saying or pretend not to understand as I’ve had to repeat myself many times.
Sabai
Getting back to the OP, I mentioned earlier that I have developed something special I am keeping close to my chest, for now.
So, I guess the answer is no, you won’t be talking audio anytime soon. Good luck with all those commercial "secrets."
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Sabai, when are you going to stop talking about me and start talking audio? Just curious. All the really insightful observation notwithstanding. 😬 And if you’re trying to convince me you’re stumbling around in the dark you’re doing an excellent job.
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Wow, this site offers psychoanalysis and everything. That's so cool. |
Did Happy Hour start early today? |
Nor care I, now that you mention it. Good luck with all that. |
You are such a tease. Just to point out the diagrams of Tchang's that you value so much are ONLY for his Gold and Silver bowls, as he says. In other words you are using his diagram incorrectly.
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What do you mean? You're such a tease. |
The courtyard example doesn’t contradict what I said. He also placed a bowl in the refrigerator as I recall. I never said this whole thing was not complicated. In fact what I just posted suggests quite the opposite. I never said Tchang’s diagram wouldn’t "work." I said it was a good guide, like my diagram, but you can do better. I realize you don’t wish to entertain such an idea.
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toddverrone
Geoff- I will say that I’d try little bowls if there was a believable explanation for how they work and what they do.. I’m not a total reductionist, so I don’t shoot things down if they aren’t ideas in the mainstream, but my mind does need something to go on, so I can figure out how to implement. Though I suppose it would be pointless since I can’t imagine decorating my house with copper bowls.. My lovely wife let’s me do what I want with the music room, but she wants input on the rest of the house.
The tiny little bowls are acoustic resonators and work much like small Helmholtz resonators by dissipating energy when placed in locations of very high sound pressure, such as on the wall at first reflection point or in a room corner. Anywhere there is a SPL peak much higher than the average SPL in the room. As I’ve mentioned on this thread at least twice the best way to determine locations in the room for the tiny little bowls is by using a SPL meter and a test tone. I find a test tone of 315 Hz to work fine but other frequencies will work too. You can also use Franck Tchang’s diagram which will be fine but not as accurate as my method.
The tiny little bowls also dissipate RFI/EMI. This is because not only is the diameter of the tiny bowl equal to an acoustic wavelength but also equal to an electromagnetic wave length, I.e., RF wavelength. Thus the tiny little bowls are two, TWO tweaks in one! That’s why I hear an improvement in the sound on my headphones - not because of the acoustic resonator function but because of the RFI/EMI dissipation function. Since there is no diagram for where the RFI/EMI peaks are in the room you have to either make a reasonable guess or obtain an EMI/RFI meter. I have so far chosen to place my tiny little bowls in upper and lower corners, one per surface, figuring that all waves behave similarly so will bunch up in room corners.
If you have a speaker system the improvement to the sound will be due to BOTH functions. The reason the sound improves when the tiny little bowls are placed in rooms beyond the listening room, kitchen bathroom, bedrooms, etc. is because RF doesn’t attenuate over distances involved in the house so that reducing RFI/EMI in other rooms reduces RFI/EMI in the listening room and in the house wiring. Whereas acoustic interference from other rooms would be very secondary. But if a room is directly adjoining the listening room then acoustic interference might be expected. I use bowls of several diameters to spread out the operating bandwidth. Better safe than sorry.
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
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Sabai, you should try it. Trust me. And trust Franck Tchang.
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sabai OP
geoffkait,
You stated, "... which one of you knuckleheads is going to be the first one on your block to knock off the Graphene contact enhancer?"
I suggest you be the first knucklehead to try this experiment since it is your idea.
Ouch! Good one. I was actually more interested if anyone had used the tiny copper bowls in other rooms, you know, like Franck Tchang suggested.
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sabai OP
geoffkait,
This is reasonable since it is your idea, after all.
What is reasonable and what is my idea? What are you referring to? Perhaps you did not understand my question, difficult to say.
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Yeah! That way if you don't like it you can just erase it.
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Dream come true for the cheap DIYers among us. From what I hear through the grapevine there’s a new contact enhancer in town. The active ingredient of which is ...drum roll...Graphene! Now I have a sneaking suspicion this stuff ain’t going to be cheap so which one of you knuckleheads is going to be the first one on your block to knock off the Graphene contact enhancer?
Pop quiz: Assuming you wanted to make some how would you do it?
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So, here’s the $64K question: has anyone tried the tiny little bowls in other rooms? If so how do you place them?(obviously the ubiquitous diagram no longer applies.) |
Whoa! Hey! What's this, the weekly meeting of Anger Management?
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That probably explains your proclivity for wagging your tongue. It must be genetic.
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Sabai, why so snarky, Honey Bear?
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Geoffkait: More tongues wagging here than at a little old ladies quilting convention
sabai OP
geoffkait,
"Little old ladies quilting." I love it. Keep it coming. This makes lightening up so much easier -- and so much more fun.
Did you mean lighting up?
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More tongues wagging here than at a little old ladies quilting convention.
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It’s seems quite obvious to me. Why else would I go to the trouble of putting up 40 copper bowls since I do not have a conventional speaker system, only the headphone system? |
Think about it for a second. They're acoustic resonators. How can they possibly affect a headphone system?!
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Sabai, you got it. What more can I say? So, I assume you do find that strange, no? |
Getting back on track for just a sec and I realize I mentioned this very briefly already, you know, just to see if anyone picked up on it. But I’ll mention it again. The tiny little bowls, the copper ones, are doing magical things for my headphone system. So far I’ve installed maybe 40 copper bowls of various sizes in most rooms here, including bathroom, kitchen and bedrooms. Does anyone find that a little odd? all comments welcome. |
Sabai, you were the one who brought up the subject of temperature and sound with your link earlier. Maybe you didn’t read your own link, who knows? That’s why I posted on the water bowls when I did. I was only trying to help you out. Don’t be such a big baby. Save the drama for yo mama.
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If I may reiterate, lighten up, Sabai. It's only a hobby.
😄
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sabai OP
We may also note that anyone who disagrees with you in a direct and forthright manner is liable to be the subject of one of your confrontational and disrespectful replies such as "revenge of the nerds". Of course, this was said in jest. How foolish of me.
Whoa! Hey, lighten up, Sabai. If you go back and check what was actually posted you’re see I only responded in kind. If you go back and read what was posted on this thread you'll see I don't attack people, I attack ideas.
A sufficiently advanced technology often seems like witchcraft. - Old audiophile expression
Have a nice day
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Sabai wrote,
geoffkait,
I do believe that you have the right to your opinions.
That's mighty decent of ya, Sabai.
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sabai OP
Just to remind everyone that the OP is about DIY projects you can do at home that do not cost much but that really improve audio system sound.
Thanks for the reminder. Duh!
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Sabai, I really don't understand why you are being so confrontational. I have already told you I have been using magnets to improve sound for almost 20 years. We just happen to disagree on some of the details for better or worse. The reason I posted the bowls of water thing is not really out of line on this particular thread, you know, since the topic is cheap DIY tweaks. |
Good one Sabai, temperature and sound. Here's a scientific trick involving temperature and sound anyone can do at home and it's FREE. It doesn't get any cheaper than that! All you need is plain old tap water. Everyone should be familiar with the relationship of heat and sound, that sound travels faster through warm air than it does through cold air. So you can easily control how sound waves travel through the air in your room by placing bowls of very cold water out in front of the speakers in a row, let's say 3 or 4 bowls depending on how big the room is and how big the bowls are. Thus when you listen to your favorite track you'll notice it's clearer, more open and more realistic. Because the sound waves are bending downwards due to the slowing up of the waves close to the bowls of cold water more sound reaches the listener's ears. Tell your friends. |
No, you’re the one that’s wrong at the fundamental level. Light is photons and electromagnetic waves. That’s why light travels at the speed of light. It’s also why audio signals in wire travel at near light speed - because the signal is comprised of photons. Audio signals would travel at the speed of light in a vacuum. Everything that’s in the electromagnetic spectrum is comprised of photons. Light, all radio frequencies, gamma rays, X-rays, audio signals in wire. They're all in the electromagnetic spectrum AND they're all comprised of photons. Follow?
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Herman
Geoffkait: Someone mentioned magnets were being used to cut down on RFI/EMI. That’s an interesting idea in light of the fact, no pun intended, that RF is comprised of photons which as we know have no magnetic charge.
to which Herman replied,
EMI stands for ElectroMagnetic Interference. RFI stands for Radio Frequency Interference which is comprised of electromagnetic waves, not photons.
Try to keep up with the discussion. Electromagnetic waves are comprised of photons. All electromagnetic waves. Light, X-rays, radio waves, what have you. They’re all photons.
then Herman wrote,
I’ll leave it to the group to decide who is correct.
That's mighty decent of you but I think we’ve already seen what happens when you let the group decide. 😩
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I already stated the signal IS affected by magnets. Just not in a good way. Let me give you an example. If you remove the steel I.e., magnetic door from the circuit breaker box the sound will improve significantly. Putting the magnetic door back on degrades the sound. Plus the reason manufacturers went from steel chassis to aluminum chassis was primarily a sound issue. If you like the sound of magnetic chassis then steel chassis is for you.
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sabai OP
geoffkait,
It improves the sound by affecting the signal.
You've been hoodwinked, Sabai. When magnets are used around the room, on chassis, on walls, on wood shelves, on mirrors, on glass, they have no bearing whatsoever on the signal. Now, somebody might find some rare instance where magnet affect the signal in a positive way, but usually magnetic fields hurt the sound, which I've stated pointed out. You know, the magnetic field from transformers and the induced field from current traveling down wire. The latter is why the magnetic conduction cables sound so good, or so it would appear from all the hoopla. But not because magnets affect the signal like your thinking. In fact you yourself use magnets in the connector not on the wire. Do you think the magnets are attracting electrons or photons? give me a break! The magnetic conduction cables address the induced magnetic field in at least two ways I can see.
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Sabai, I never said it wouldn’t change/improve the sound. You seem to be under the rather odd impression that I'm a naysayer.
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Herman
If you focus on what is really happening in a cable or any path that a signal follows then it makes sense that magnets will affect that signal.
Actually, it doesn't make any sense at all. The reason it doesn't is just as I got through explaining a few posts ago - the magnetic field produced by the magnet on the cable is orthogonal to the signal flow. Which in layman terms means it won't affect the signal.
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herman
The guy saying the paint color on magnets makes a difference is the same guy who told us several years ago that one of his little clocks affects the sound of a live symphony orchestra and the picture on a television even if the battery in the clock is dead. You decide who is worth listening to. That’s the last I’ll have to say about this individual. So lets drop all the snarky comments and silliness (paint colors on magnets make a difference) and talk some science.
I said this subject would open up a big of worms. Well, folks here come the worms. Just like I said. What’s funny is his plaintif call to drop the snarky comments. Pure gold!
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Someone mentioned magnets were being used to cut down on RFI/EMI. That’s an interesting idea in light of the fact, no pun intended, that RF is comprised of photons which as we know have no magnetic charge. Even if they did how would magnets attract all the RF in the room? Doesn’t make sense. After a while you'd have a big clump of photons sitting there in the room. As Judge Judy says, if it doesn’t make sense it not true. |
Sabai, oh, there's some confusion all right. 😃 |
