A better way to stream


Recently I've been proposing a two ethernet port solution as optimal for a streaming setup with optical conversion and/or separate server and streamer/end point.

 

Originally, I used a simple server only setup, using usb out to dac, but over the years my research showed many converting to two computer setups (server/streamer) with great results. At the time I wasn't using a switch so in trying to figure out how I could make this happen I came across this interesting thread, https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/30376-a-novel-way-to-massively-improve-the-sq-of-computer-audio-streaming/#comment-613370

 

As a result I was able to convert to two computer setup with great results. Since then I've tried any number of devices, both prior to and after server. By far the most effective have been post server, with optical conversion and quality streamer being amongst best overall upgrades.

 

With the two ethernet port setup one can do away with audiophile switch (the idea of which is quite contentious anyway). Why detour back  through an ethernet cable, through the switch, then yet another ethernet cable only to end up in the same place you could with a single ethernet cable with the two ethernet port setup. More possibility for noise to enter chain is never a good thing with streaming. 

 

It seems very few server manufacturers understand the inherent advantages of dual ethernet port  setups with exception of Antipodes and Small Green Computer, perhaps others I'm not aware of, please inform if there are. They should at least offer it so people can at least try optimum setup for server/streamer with present server.

 

Say what you will about server/streamer setups vs. servers alone, but the mere fact you have to go back through the same circuitous route mentioned above to try optical isolation is another demerit for the single ethernet port solution. Optical conversion, in my experience, has been easily one of the best, if not the best streaming upgrade I've experienced. This, and the optimal interface to separate streamer, together make the dual ethernet port solution a deal breaker for servers without.

 

I can only tell people to try for themselves different streaming setups, there are so many varieties sometimes its hard to keep track of. I can only say the opportunity to optimally interface with optical and/or separate streamers/end points makes dual ethernet port servers inherently superior to servers without.

 

 

sns

Showing 2 responses by sdl4

Interesting comments on streaming!

Do your recommendations apply mainly to a Roon-based system, where separation of the Roon core and endpoint is often encouraged or do they apply to any system that includes both server and streamer functions?

In designing the PhoenixNet network switch, Innuos found that converting light into an electrical signal introduced more noise than using copper connections. If that is true, why do you think you are finding improvements in sound quality with extensive use of optical converters?

 

Like @grannyring, I have achieved excellent results using the ENO Ethernet filter system with a decent switch (EE 8switch) preceding it in the Ethernet chain that feeds my Innuos Zen Mk3 server/streamer. However, I have not compared my set-up to a fiber-based system as grannyring has done. I do not use Roon, so separating the server and streamer would add unnecessary complexity to my system.

@sns You may be right about noise being added by cheap FMCs. My comments about Innuos preferring the use of copper connectors in their PhoenixNet switch comes out of a review of the PhoenixNet from Jason Kennedy at hi-fi+.

I have noticed that PS Audio has been promoting their use of an internal optical connection to provide better isolation from noise in their newest SACD player and in their upcoming streamer.