Wow - this is quite the thread!!!
I have no doubt that what Halcro (a valued poster) heard was true for his system.
However, as user of both a ring and clamp, I have found differently.
Here is an anecdote. On my current table (Raven 1), which came with a Millenium clamp and mat, I found I didn't like the sound of the mat, which seems in opposition to many people with the same table.
But, I don't run my Phantom arm with damping, though most people do.
I just feel like there are no absolutes, especially with analog.
I also run a strain gauge cartridge, which is different than most.
I appreciate Halcro's findings, and since the system here is about to change radically with the addition of the TAD speakers and new TTweights Momentus Duo drive table (I'm a new dealer for both - hear them both at the Axpona NYC show) that I will have to reevaluate the use the use of the clamp and super heavy ring the table comes with.
I will also be reevaluating the use of damping fluid in the arm, as it changes to the new Phantom version with a 12" arm. Lot's of changes, lots of testing, lots of listening, but no universal truths I'm afraid.
On another note, the new table will allow for either rim or belt drive. That's another controversy I am soon hoping to hear how it plays out.
I have no doubt that what Halcro (a valued poster) heard was true for his system.
However, as user of both a ring and clamp, I have found differently.
Here is an anecdote. On my current table (Raven 1), which came with a Millenium clamp and mat, I found I didn't like the sound of the mat, which seems in opposition to many people with the same table.
But, I don't run my Phantom arm with damping, though most people do.
I just feel like there are no absolutes, especially with analog.
I also run a strain gauge cartridge, which is different than most.
I appreciate Halcro's findings, and since the system here is about to change radically with the addition of the TAD speakers and new TTweights Momentus Duo drive table (I'm a new dealer for both - hear them both at the Axpona NYC show) that I will have to reevaluate the use the use of the clamp and super heavy ring the table comes with.
I will also be reevaluating the use of damping fluid in the arm, as it changes to the new Phantom version with a 12" arm. Lot's of changes, lots of testing, lots of listening, but no universal truths I'm afraid.
On another note, the new table will allow for either rim or belt drive. That's another controversy I am soon hoping to hear how it plays out.