I have a pair of Sylvania VT 231. 6SN7GT on my OPPO 105 Modwright and when I open the drawer on the player I can hear the noise of the opening on my speakers
Are these normal??
6SN7GT VT231 TUBES
I love the old VT231 tubes!
The best sounding 6SN7GT ever...Sylvania, Raytheon, RCA, Ken Rad Etc. They may still be found, if you have $$$!! Where can I find true NOS VT231s? Any favorites that I missed?
(TS never made a VT231 - but their old black glass tubes with oval micas sound great!)
That’s very normal for vintage 6SN7GT in "upstream" slots. That’s why I mentioned I hate these tubes in anything but power amps - where they’re far enough downstream from most of your system’s net gain (gain structure). The problem is:
And yes, any mechanical switches or motors in the SAME box as a 6SN7 is going to cause audible mechanical feedback. That’s not specific to 6SN7 - I have 6H30 preamps with the same issue (they are very sensitive to this). Tube dampers are worthless for this; don't even bother - the problem is how they are mounted to the sockets and PCB / chassis. Anyways, if your Oppo 103 has a digital volume control (I forget if it does or not), and you’re using this to directly drive your amps, your problem is gonna be SO MUCH WORSE. If you had an analog preamp with volume control, then that attenuator is at least able to filter some of the microphonic noise (a downstream attenuator reduces the "net gain" the 6SN7 sees downstream). By contrast, the Oppo’s digital volume occus before the 6SN7, so your tube noise effectively bypasses it. Frankly, 6SN7 here is a rather sadistic choice on part of the modder. |
@acresverde seems as though the Melz tubes have a reputation of having problems. Reading on other forums shows that many of the noise and different failures can be fixed by resoldering the connections inside the pins. I’ve been put off buying them because of the issues people have reported. It would be a shame to throw out expensive tubes if they could be repaired. |
If you want amazing sound but don’t want to spend the big bucks on the really hard to find NOS you have some options. You could use an adapter that allows you to use a pair of 6j5, 6c5, or even 6p5 tubes instead of the 6sn7. The 6sn7 essentially has two 6j5 in one bottle so a pair of 6j5 are exact equivalents of a 6sn7. I really like the Cossor 6c5g, GEC l63, Australian 6j5gt, and the good old metal RCA 6j5. You could also get an adapter that allows you to use 12v versions of the 6sn7. The 12sn7 tubes are exactly the same as the 6sn7 but much less expensive. It’s the only way I could afford the GEC b36, the b65 sells for stupid money these days. Same holds true for the Tung Sol black glass round plate 12sn7. I also use that adapter along with the 6j5 adapter to use 12j5 tubes. Love the Raytheon 12j5wgt, Sylvania round plate 12j5gt, Mullard cv535, and Tung Sol JAN 12j5gt. The 7n7 tubes mirror the Sylvania 6sn7 tubes for the most part. If there’s a Sylvania 6sn7 you like you can get it for less in a 7n7 with one exception. The original metal base Sylvania 6sn7w is generally considered to be their best but they never made an equivalent 7n7 or even 12sn7. Interestingly, the 14n7, the 12v version of the 7n7 seems to be an exact copy of the metal base 6sn7wgt complete with copper support rod. The 14n7 is one of my most loved tubes and also one of the cheapest in my collection. There are a few variations of the 7n7 that are worth looking for. Any of the tall bottle ones are good, just like the tall bottle 6sn7. Some say the so-called Frankenstein version sounds better. Its bottle is shaped slightly differently and that’s how you can tell them apart. All of the 7n7 and 14n7 were made by Sylvania with one exception. National Union made round plate 7n7 for a very short period of time. They have a dark tall bottle and you can see the bottom of round plates in the gap between the base and the dark coating. Great sounding tubes, the same as the NU round plates 6f8g as far as I can tell. |