3D lifelike sound and impeccable measurements - mutually exclusive???


The more I investigate gear the more it seems that it’s easy to get organic involving sound with flesh and body and a 3D immersive soundstage with the right matching of components but it also seems like it necessitates choosing some components that don’t measure well/add colorations/even order harmonics etc My question is are there components (specifically amps/preamps and integrateds) are out there that combine great measurements and in your mind also have that organic immersive sound that really helps many of us get more emotionally involved in the music or are these qualities mutually exclusive? 
clarinetmonster2

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Jjss49 yup I have checked his reviews out. Interesting but he’s so skewed to the measurements side you never know how it will actually sound. Ah yes Rereading your post I think you’re right that is not a bad way to go to use it as a cross list along with stereophile measurements etc.
I’m currently running an integrated (croft Phono Integrated with Harbeth) that’s firmly in the colorful and measurements be damned camp and combo sounds fantastic esp for the price but I’m interested in moving to the other camp If I can find an integrated or separates that fill both bills. 
Millercarbon
essentially you answered my question in your own way. Yes it’s a “can you have both” question - great measurements and organic involving sound or are they really mutually exclusive. By your answer you are saying that you believe they are exclusive and you pick one or the other. Understood. 
Well I’ll give an example of gear that measures very well and sounds organic, musical and 3D to my ears on the DAC side. The chord DACs I’ve heard have a very analog lifelike quality to them (have heard the qutest and Dave) and measure extremely well. The Dave is expensive the qutest is cheap - there have to be some under 10k components on the amp/integrated side that combine these virtues....I would think.
Really only one or two people have answered my question and made suggestions of brands that they believe both measure very well AND offer an immersive musical experience in their opinion. That’s really all I’m looking for. How hard is that?
I will say that I’ve only heard one setup so far that would probably satisfy both sides of this equation- it was a pair of higher end magicos with an all Moon front end. Pretty much had everything sonically. Other than that I’ve heard a lot of compromise as tomcy6 referenced, usually when you get that beautiful holographic imaging and organic texture to the music there May very well be some trade offs, it seems until you get to the megabuck gear perhaps.
Charles1dad
yes, i appreciate the sentiment and it’s pretty much what I’ve always followed is just my ears not worrying at all about measurements hence why i run Harbeths with a hybrid notorious for measuring poorly and sounding great. But you know how it is, we get bored and want to see what is possible in this hobby. 
Koestner
ive been very curious to hear the Benchmark amp and preamp as they seem to be the poster children for great measurements- I’ve read mixed things on the sound/presentation . Mostly very positive especially the preamp but some I guess perceive the amp or amp/preamp combo to be lacking in life and others think it’s the best they’ve ever heard. 
Never thought this thread would get so deep and philosophical- interesting stuff and I appreciate everyone’s contributions.