i've seemed to set them up fairly well now. i popped in a few cd's now and things are clicking better. the speakers are about 7'8" apart and i'm actually a lot closer to them, about 4'7-9" from the back wall. i've lowered the back spike so they aren't as tilted back as they were and the stage has gotten taller and pretty well focused. save one issue that i've noticed in two different rooms. on a chesky test disc, hitting a tom, center, left, right are solid, "extreme left" the tom comes almost directly from my left middle of the room and "extreme right" seems to be a few feet right of my right speaker (inline with the speakers) where it should be. bass is better now that i'm out away from the back wall, but looks like i'm going to have to get some traps or make some. -steve