19th Nervous Breakdown...



Here I sit on the fence again, trying to decide whether it's worth it to shatter my budget one more time, wondering if the sonic differences between the following gear justifies the sacrifices necessary to pay the toll.

Should I live on beanie weanies and cheap beer for a good while and spring for a Basis 1400 or 2001 table with a decent arm, cartridge and phono stage for about $3K, or do I "settle" for one of the Regas, a P3 or P25, or one of the Music Halls for less than half that, upgrade my diet, and buy a few albums to boot?

I realize that this is in some ways a hopeless and hedonistic calculus, and that there may be no "right" answer. But I suppose what I am looking for are the opinions of those who have traveled the upgrade path and already paid the price. Was it worth it? How would you describe the sonic differences in moving up to that next level?

If you were starting over and COULD manage to stretch your budget to $3K or even $3.5K, what would YOU buy (entire rig, including phono stage, and, of course, buying used)? Or would you go for one of the "entry' level, non-upgradable units and be happy with it?

I have a good collection of albums from my mid-fi days, and I have a pretty good system (First Sound/Bel Canto EVO 200.2 monos/Vienna Acoustics Beethovens), so I do have an interest in more than 'dabbling'.

I have already received a LOT of help on this site and I appreciate every bit of it. There are many friendly and helpful folks around here. I am very happy with the system I have built so far.

Now if I can settle this analog business, I can relax for awhile and just enjoy the music. So what will it be, oh audio gurus, a VPI, Basis, or Oracle table, or a Rega, Music Hall, or Thorens table? Which arm? Which cartridge? Which phono stage?

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated. I wish I were in a position to audition this gear, but I'm not.

thank you all...

128x128waltersalas

Showing 6 responses by gboren

For $3500 on the used market you should be able to buy a great rig. Whatever you buy, consider that the table itself will have the greatest impact on sound quality, then the arm and last, the cartridge. It has been my philosophy to put most of the money there and worry about upgrading the arm and cartridge later (and tweaks, gimmicks etc, later yet).

A few other tips:
1. be careful with used cartridges.
2. where the phono stage goes in the pecking order is difficult to say. I bought a nice phono stage to use with a low output mc cartridge. But my integrated amp has a mm phono stage and, in retrospect, I would have done better to use that with a decent mm or high output mc cartridge and put the money into the table. Oh well. Others may disagree, but I believe that the pecking order should be: table, arm, phono stage, cartridge.
3. Tweaks: don't waste money on expensive alignment tools - you can sometimes get them free on the web. Demagnetizers, clamps, etc can wait. But a good test record (Cardas makes one) is very useful.

good luck!
Grandpad,
I don't doubt your experience with your friend's table and your arms. I just thought that the best music reproduction starts from the best source. In the mechanical chain of processes that is a turntable, the rotation mechanism is primary and the pickup mechanism is secondary. The best pickup mechanism cannot restore a signal degraded by the rotation mechanism.

I would be willing to make a small wager that Oracle/Space Arm combo sounds better than the Spacedeck/Graham or SME combo. Unfortunately, I just sold my Space Arm/Oracle mounting plate to my cousin, so I guess we'll never know!
Grandpad,
Upon reflection, I'm not quite sure we disagree any more. While I would probably still use the upgrade strategy of getting a great table and worry about the arm upgrade later, I am no longer convinced that the strategy is at all linear (ie, table>arm>cartridge).
Gee Grandpad, Thanks for the invite! Unfortunately, I live in Michigan so I'll have to take a rain check.

I haven't decided yet what to do, but I am pretty sure I'm going to keep the Linn and just upgrade the arm. Possibly a Graham or Ekos II depending on what's available on the used market.
I'm using a Benz-Micro Glider L2. I also decided on an Ekos II I located. The graham was tempting, but it would also require a new armboard. I'm getting the Ekos for about $1200 less and I can pop it right in to where my Akito was.