180g … It’s All Hype !


I seem to have had an issue with just about every 180g record I’ve purchased… Either warped, surface scuffs or just plan ole doesn’t sound as good as the original.

I’ve noticed on re-masters / re-mixes many times it’s just somebody else’s idea of how the music should sound, adding in a few leads or something and certainly not what I expect or want. 

I actually have one I swear they just took the CD as the master and pressed it on to vinyl… Seriously I’ll stick to a decent cartridge, my ultrasonic record cleaner and the bargain bins for my vinyl purchases and listening. I’ve been able to build quite a substantial collection, granted the outer covers may show some wear, but being I’ve been in this for sometime I know by looking at a used record weather it will clean up or not and after cleaning I always replace the inner sleeves with static free high quality sleeves. As for the outer covers… I buy records to listen to so as long as the cover is in tact I’m ok with that. 

I’d rather see ‘em re-release stuff if they do on un doctored up original weight vinyl with the same quality control they had back in the day… 

Heck, stuff in the dollar bins, after having been played over and over through many a folks’ adolescence then stored for years in basements and attics, then sold at garage sales, flea markets or ending up in bargain bins seem to have made the journey just fine… 

I’m tried of the hype and seriously, 180g is nothing but marketing BS to part you with your money.

Need proof of how good older records from the back in the day can sound?….. Check out any of these….

WAR - The World Is A Ghetto

King Curtis & Champion Dupree - Blues At Montreux

John Mayall - Blues Jazz Fusion

Led Zeppelin- Led Zep II

Any LP from James Cotton 

Any LP from The Alan Parsons Project

Any LP from Steely Dan

Any LP The Yellowjackets 

Most LP’s from Savoy Brown

Most LP’s on The Blue Note Label

just to name a few…

I’ve got of tons of ‘em and if you have any Artists or specific Titles you’d like to suggest feel free to respond

128x128flasd

@adrobitko: Yep, but that is what I and others have been talking about. Your post reads "My problem with new the pressings are quality" (you obviously meant to say ...with the new pressings....), implying all new pressings are of the same quality. They are NOT!

This Miles Davis reissue is NOT from an audiophile company, it’s from a major. The LP’s pressed at QRP, Pallas, Optimal, and RTI do NOT have defects like those of your pictured LP. Lots of companies are making 180g LP’s, but the weight of the disc is not what’s important. Just as not all 50lb/100w amplifiers are all of the same quality, neither are all 180g LP pressings

Sorry I probably should have said it differently. The quality of the new pressings are all over the place. You can find immaculate LP from a major and just pure junk from otherwise respectable audiophile company. 
I want to admit though, there is a bias here. When we see the old records sold on the market, junk records of bad quality will rarely appear there. They’ve been filtered out by time. So I honestly can’t tell if records were of better quality back then. But something tell me that the same rate of bad quality records was back then as well. 

My first record store job was in 1970-1, and let me tell ya, we had to return a LOT of defective new release LP’s that year, whole batches of them. LP pressing quality has ALWAYS been an issue. That’s one reason I and others started buying import LP’s in the late-60’s/early-70’s. British pressings ALWAYS sounded better than their U.S. equivalents. German ones too. Japanese LP’s were very well made, but sometimes suffered from odd equalization.

"Pure junk from otherwise respectable audiophile company"? For instance? I’ve never received a junk LP from Acoustic Sounds (Analogue Productions), Speakers Corner (made in Germany. I think junk is illegal in that country ;-), MoFi, or any other audiophile company. Yes, sound quality varies, but that is more a matter of the original recording than the pressing. Again, for new LP’s, look for those pressed at QRP, Pallas, Optimal, and RTI.

"...junk records of bad quality will rarely appear there." (the used market). You cannot be serious! I don’t know where you’re looking for and/or finding used LP’s, but LP condition grading is a major---no, THE major---element in the collectible LP market and business. Near Mint condition records comprise maybe 5% of all the LP’s listed on Discogs, VG+ another 15%. Below those grades, all bets are off. Most used LP’s are "junk":, but that’s because of user abuse, not pressing quality. When I peruse the bins at my local used LP shops, for every one record I find in condition good enough to consider buying, I see and reject about ten.

I need to dig it up. I have one record where the Coltrane sax on one track was severely distorted. And it is a definitely pressing issue, because I’ve got a different one and it sounded good.

I will clarify, junk records are on the market. But first, unless the seller is a scam, they will not put it as NM if it is junk. Second, amongst all those poor graded records there is no way to tell if it is poor because of the original quality or because it was abused over the years.

And this is where this bias is - people assume that older records were of a much better quality while we can't easily tell this based on the used market.