12v linear power supply


Can anyone recommend a decent linear power supply that's under $300?

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Showing 4 responses by itsjustme

i do like the auto battery idea. likely superior to almost any LPS. But big, ugly, and requires a charger.

as to LPSs - DACs are relatively low powered in general; but if you are powering a USB bridge or Raspberry pi or similar, those require much higher current, and a surprisingly large amount during boot up.

You might share more about the device, what you have now, and what issues you are trying to resolve (or improve).

I do think an LPS makes a difference. I designed and built one for pretty much every digital device i have-- and an upgrade for the one DAC that kinda needed such.

 

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most circuitry is locally regulated ( and much of it way below 12V - more like 3.3 or 5V for chips) so the additional input voltage is not a big concern. It will generate a little more heat lost inthe down-regulation, btu the performance if anything, is enhanced.

You could also check the maximum input voltage by asking the manufacturer if its not specified. Most are.

 

For anyone thinking of buying or making an external LPS here are a few thoughts to give perspective. First you need to ask what kind of device you are powering to know your objectives. If the device is a pure music server - not connected directly to the DAC but rather to a network, it really doesn’t matter. What maybe useful here is placing a filter between the noisy PC and its noisy switching supply and your mains/AC power to keep that noise OUT of other stuff.

 

On the other hand, for most streamers and bridges that spit out USB to a DAC directly, blocking power noise (most likely on the ground) is the goal. On the best devices the USB is fully isolated and powered by its own LPS. I do this on my home made stuff and prototypes. Otherwise, an LPS is very helpful. Generally there will be some form of regulation inside to down-convert the input DC to whatever the various chips use (often 5 and 3.3v). But those regulators are typically pretty noisy themselves - no one’s thinking "high end" when they design a computer, a Pi etc.

Any actual computer will draw a bunch of power, more at boot up.

Finally, lets talk DACs. DACs are largely analog devices and demand very quiet power. Most have internal regulation and filtering to accomplish this. Even if they have a wall wart or a switching supply externally, it feeds internal regulation and filtering. So bear in mind that what you are doing is providing a quieter input, including less ground noise, you hope.

DACs also draw a lot less power typically. The DAC chips themselves don’t draw much, so its any digital filtering circuitry,clocks, USB receivers, and finally the analog output stage. Its those last ones that matter most, and again, they are typically fed by their own dedicated "LDOs" (low dropout regulators).

Any external LPS is unlikely to be any better or even good enough, and the distance both in length and resistance to an external supply would render it in effective.  So keep in mind that you are providing filtered, quieter input power, but are almost surely not powering the low level circuitry directly with whatever you get/build/conjure up.

If you read the datasheet on any regulator you will see that its noise is a function of the input noise. Maybe its 100:1 improvement, often less, sometimes more. Always specified at a big number that is never achieved across the frequency band. So the better the input, the better the output - simple as that. Its called the "PSRR" or power supply rejection ratio.

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It is much more than just blocking A/C noise. It is how smooth and powerful the current is. One analogy I use is to use air compressors as a comparison to switching/linear power supplies.

Actually, no, its the noise. And i'm not sure what you man by AC noise, the noise is (by definition) AC superimposed on DC and is a product of the way Switching mode power supplies work. ( i wont go into that here, look it up)

 

Don’t use analogies, define your terms and explain the engineering.

 

Switch mode power supplies create a lot of high frequency noise - its well known, its a problem too. It can interfere with the digital circuit by making tiny adjustments to the zero crossing (we call that jitter) and it can beat down into the analog region (we call that non harmonically related distortion).

 

I design this stuff. Its the noise. and its a problem.