Congested sound - more power or resolution?


My sound has improved markedly with the upgrades I have done. One part of my music collection still isn't right though. Previously at higher SPLs all music got bad slap echo and bright, room treatment has sorted that out.

Now with some tracks mainly rock with guitars especially, the sound gets congested, image is lost and it gets grungy. Have I met the limits of my room, or with more power would I have better control of my speakers under a lot of stress? Or would a better quality spinner give more improvement through better resolution in the first place?

My system in in my signature, but breifly Arcam DV27, Meridian 861, Krell Showcase amp, Wilson Sophia.

Both player and power amps will get upgraded, I'm just trying to prioritise my budget.
dmurfet
While this post is very old - there is always useful information to individuals searching for similar information.

The OPs post about congestion at higher volumes is not uncommon. In this case, I think the cause is one or more of several problems or issues:

1: The room can just become over saturated with snund. There is a limit that any room size can handle in terms of sound volume. Improving the accoustics of the room can address this, but it only increases the volume a room can handle.

2: The CD player, as the OP questioned can certainly be contributing to this problem (as can any component, but in this systems case, I think the cdp is a good starting point with equipment). I once owned a AA capitole that did not present this problem, but sent it in to be serviced and upgraded. Bought a AA Prima for interim use, thinking I would get 80% of the Capitole. The prima could not play large scale recording without becoming congested, more noticeable as volume increased. This went away with a better cdp.

3: Vibration control of components, speakers, et al. As sound volume and levels increase, everything in the room is subjected to more vibration and this notably start to break down the soundstage quickly. The Sophia come with spikes, yet many don't use them. Components don't typically come with good grounding/vibration devices (excepting some, ie. esoteric, etc. . .).

4: The Krell amp, while much less likely than the cdp could be a partial cause. The Showcase Series is by no means their best series; however, I am not saying this with any degree of certainty.

5: Power supply - dedicated lines, "proper" power conditioning, etc. . . can definately play a role. My concern here is that th OP reports this problem with only specific types of music. The same anomoly should occur with moderate scale but dynamic music as well if the problem is purely power quality related, IMO.

This same phenoma occurs at rock concerts when they have the gain turned up too high or the soun is just too loud. Contrary to what Spinal Tap says, 11 may not be better!

To find out how real the problem is in terms of the quality of the media, go out a buy a good Chesky records test CD that is known to be well recorded and should not fall apart or congest at high volumes. This will help id whether it is the recordings or the other causes.

As an FYI, this past week I had a $9300 preamp in my system that I was testing/considering. I encountered the same problem when I turned the volume up past my regular "loud" listening levels. I can't say whether it was my amps power (which I am in the process of replacing), my room or the preamp. Speakers were also Wilson (W/P in this case). I have owned Wilson speakers (5 pair) over the past few years. I know it wasn't the speakers from familiarity with use in prior equipment settings.

So in the end, one cannot answer such a question with 100% accuracy, but only point out the most likely scenarios which may require more than one step or change. Personally, my suggestion is to start with the cheapest corrections first - in this case the recording. Followed by the speaker placement/set-up. Listen in a nearfield environment and see if this addresses the problem (as it takes away much of the rooms interaction on what is heard). The go to vibration controls, then start replacing components or listen at slightly lower volumes?
Dmurfet,

I have owned Watt/Puppy 8 and now own Sasha i.e. similar speakers tnat you have and I have had similar problem to that you described.

Now question that good electrical supply will improve the performance of your system, I believe its a given beyond discussion. IMHO, the first step is having dedicated power line feeding your stereo system it is the cheapers and the best. After that, I personally good power cord(s) abd finally high quality power conditioner with passive filters and no trasformers in them.

The most of my effort and pay off was in finding the right amplifier which can provide power in demand. I believe your problem is identical to mine because you complain on the congestion when you play rock - which require more power (average power on demand of rock, particualrly har rock is much higher then that of classic music) and when you need higher SPL.

Sasha is the most power hungry speakers in Wilson line but my Spectron monoblocks I am in paradize. Sofia may or may not need so much power - so this is area of your personal preferences.

Good Luck and Happy New Year
Here are some suggestions:

Try adding absorption to the first reflection points on the ceiling and bass trapping in the corners to get better resolution. I couldn’t see you side walls from the photos of your system, but they should also have absorption at the first reflection points.

Remove the equipment rack out from between the speakers to get better imaging

Try a Richard Grey’s Power Company 400 Pro to clean incoming power

Try speakers with dual mid-range cones to eliminate the congestion