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I've been using a Rogue 99/88 combo with Meadowlark Shearwaters and a CAL-10 CD player and have been pretty happy. But I have caught the audiophile bug of tweeking and as an experiment I decided to hook up an old pair of JBL bookshelve speakers(model 2600)and was very surprised to notice more "presence" in the midrange and bass compared to the Shearwaters. Granted the sound of the Shearwaters was more refined over all and the bass a bit bloated with the JBLs but I loved the "presence" of the mid range and upper bass with the JBLs. I just felt this was a foot tapping kind of sound. I would like suggestions for a speaker with that foot tapping presence when used with the Rogue combo that won't have the bloated low end. I am using DH labs biwired speaker cable. Thanks for you input.
bigo
Are you saying that slightly elevated output in the lower mid / upper bass ( commonly called the "warmth" region ) added a sense of tempo or pace to your system ? Sean
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Sean,

I am relatively new to the audio world but that sounds right. The lower mid and upper bass are more obviously present with the JBLs(they come to the fore)compared to the Shearwaters. That's a quality that I really enjoy and gets me more emotionally involved(if that what you refer to as pace,? a more "musical" speaker)The Shearwaters excel at detailing in the highs and overall have a clarity(lack of distortion) that is better than the JBLs(IMHO). My ideal speaker would be one with a Shearwater's detail or lack of distortion and the JBLs warmth in the midrange and upper bass. And, oh yes, for less than $3000-3500. Should I be looking at 3 ways ?
Thanks Len
You mention two separate issues but intertwine them: presence of midrange/associated warmth, AND pace/rhythm. These are two distinctly different aspects of reproduced sound that I think need to be addressed separately.

Pace and rhythm - what makes you tap your toe has more to do with an amp's synergistic relationship with a speaker (load, cones, etc.). Some amps are faster than others, and this can lend a better sense of timing. Some amps have a greater damping factor, this will allow the amp to “grip” the drivers – starting and stopping them authoritatively. I'd suggest that what you like in the JBL's is your amp's ability to better move the drivers than with your Shearwaters.

Warm mids/bass, but less accurate:
One might be correct in assuming that the drivers and crossover components in the JBL roll-off the frequencies at the upper and lower regions of the spectrum. This would place particular emphasis on the midrange frequencies, and thus more presence. The JBL crossover might also be of simple design (by lack of need) - this can also improve sound.

So… your JBL’s boogie while your Shearwaters waltz…
One might consider the speaker motor/materials used to fabricate the speaker/surrounds. I would suspect that the JBL surrounds are more flexible than those on the Shearwaters. I also suspect that the JBL’s design is less damped. So… right there one could surmise that the JBL’s would require less energy to move/control. It could also be assumed that while making the driver more efficient to move this flexibility might also make the driver less precise in its excursion (and therefore less accurate). This would also produce a somewhat warmer sound. …AND would also explain (to some degree) your perception of greater rhythm or pace. …A stiffer surround material and more heavily motored/damped design would require greater energy to move as quickly as lighter-motored/coned/damped & more flexible surround design. A STRONGER and FASTER amp would bridge the gap and lend greater control.

As with most things there are exceptions to every general rule. …But synergy is the key.
Quite frankly I am a bit surprised to hear what your saying. I have heard very positive things about the Shearwaters & tubed gear.

It’s my recollection that the Shearwaters are very efficient speakers, so I’d think that amplification is sufficient. …But Maybe I’m wrong. Are you using ultra-linear or pure triode mode? 35 watts may not be enough. …Have you tried more power?

You might also consider changing your speaker cables and IC's first. Being that you are listening through a really smooth sounding rig you might find that faster cables improve your sound. …YES! there is such a thing… faster cables do exist – Goertz MI-2 and others (check the compatibility of your gear if you consider Goertz).

Lastly, I wonder if you might be considering a REAL departure from your current sound …SS gear or a more SS-like amp? SS would certainly give you greater speed. ...Something like Sim, Classe, Plinius or Spectral (don't know how these amps sound with your speakers though) …BUT I do know that these amps are FAST; esp. the Spectral. Sim is my own choice for an amp with good pace and rhythm. If sticking with tubes I’d give a listen to BAT.

Best of luck,
Mike
It sounds like you might want to experiment with some tweaks to improve the Meadowklark combo. Interconnects, speaker cables, AC cords, vibration & isolation control all come to mind. Please refer to the following link: my post within that thread mentions some possible approaches of intetest:
http://audiogo5.iserver.net/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&999201613&read&h24&4&&