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"Concealed Damage" and FedEx Claims

After several happy years of buying and selling on AudiogoN, I'm in the middle of my first FedEx claims process. The item in question is a Copland CD player shipped FedEx Ground from Boston to Los Angeles with a FedEx "declared value" equal to the asking (and selling) price on AudiogoN. The original shipping box, original inner packing, and thirty pound player arrived with "no visible damage to contents," but the buyer reports that the player does not recognize a CD in the drawer and will not play it. I've filed a claim, but there now appear to be two problems: One, the buyer was out of town when the unit arrived (it was delivered to the mailroom of his work address), so the 15 day limit on reporting "concealed damage" had passed by the time he opened the box and figured out the unit did not work properly. Two, when FedEx came to inspect the damaged player they looked only at the shipping box and the exterior of the player. These were in excellent condition. They did NOT test the unit to see that it no longer worked properly and I am told that they have NO intention to do so. I found this a bit troubling and have now asked four different operators at FedEx claims how they can determined "concealed damage" on a CD player without ever attempting to play a CD. My uninformed thinking is that FedEx has no intention of allowing the claim (because of the 15 day limit on reporting damage), so there was no reason to inspect for anything other than visible damage (where the reporting deadline for a claim is nine months). Questions for the group: Have YOU had any experience with "concealed damage" and the FedEx claims process? Have YOU had any experience with FedEx and its 15 day limit on reporting "concealed damage." And, most importantly, what would YOU do as an AudiogoN seller in the event that FedEx denies the claim? Thank you one and all.
milaverne
waterman58
13 posts
 
I started using FedEx Ground last year and had good results
until May, 2002. Of the 7 packages I sent or received using
them between May 1, 2002 and September, 2002, they damaged 2
(refusing to pay a claim on 1 package which they claimed was
"improperly" packaged, although it was in its factory packaging), LOST 3, left 1 at the wrong address (later recovered) and 1 was delivered on time to the correct address. With a track record like that I don't know how a
company can survive!!! I WILL NOT USE FEDEX GROUND AGAIN.

FedEx Express continues to provide exemplary service, but
the old RPS Trucking firm which became FedEx Ground seems
impossible to convert from a sow's ear to a silk purse...
sean
6,231 posts
 
I think that Fed Ex is slowly trying to revamp the company ( aka "disaster" ) that they had purchased. The problem is that they took over a company that had its' head up its' ass and had tried to continue operating it in the same fashion. As time has progressed, they've made gradual changes but are still a long way from getting it right.

As of right now, i think that Fed Ex Ground is slightly more "careful" with how packages are handled than is UPS. Their prices are also SLIGHTLY lower than UPS. In terms of delivery time, account management, customer support, insurance claims, etc..., they still have BIG problems.

UPS is still smashing packages on a regular basis but at least they "typically" get them there on time. Obviously, there are exceptions to this generalization. They will give you a hard time about damage claims and hope that you don't follow through on them. Their prices are higher for transit costs than either Fed Ex Ground or the USPS but also offer what i think is better tracking and customer support. That is, the customer support is better until things get REAL "sticky".

The USPS handles packages pretty well, delivers them on a timely basis and their rates are not that bad. However, if one is going to ship an item that is of high value, their insurance rates are astronomical and make them far more expensive than either of the other two carriers mentioned. Then again, they typically DO pay out on damage claims so long as the item was reasonably well packed and you know how to process a claim. I guess it is better to pay more for insurance via the USPS and have things get processed than to pay less for insurance at UPS / Fed Ex Ground and not be able to get a claim approved without pulling out your hair and / or filing a law suit. Sean
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PS... Just my thoughts based on past experiences as an individual and a business owner.
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micheal
29 posts
 
Hi
We have had the same problem with UPS they refuse to pay any claims. It takes 20 to 30 phone calls and about 10 months to retrieve 250$.

THE OTHER BIGGER PROBLEM is that we have purchased units from Audiogon and Ebay that were CLAIMED TO BE IN PERFECT CONDITION! but when recieved did not work or were damaged.
Investigation showed that that unit never worked or the damage was old.
Got something broken? sell it on the net and then claim shipping damage. A Scam as old as the hills.

CAVEAT EMPTOR "BUYER BEWARE"

mike
zaikesman
3,017 posts
 
When you say "original shipping box, original inner packing", does this mean that the player was not double-boxed inside a larger outer carton? I will not ship gear in just its original single carton - I always obtain a separate outer box, about 4" larger all around than the original box, and pack the smaller box (wrapped and taped inside a plastic garbage bag) within the bigger box with a very healthy lining of crumpled-up newspapers stuffed in-between the carton walls. Also, many CD players and the like are shipped from the manufacturer with some sort of removable foam or cardboard insert inside the tray mechanism to help prevent damage to it or the laser pickup assembly during transit - did you research/remember whether such a precautionary prophylactic was originally standard from Copeland but may have been subsequently discarded by you or a previous owner?
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