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VPI turntable again......

Hi,
I make my judgement on any product based on observation and common scense. I never own a VPI turntable and I never will since I don't believe in their design. The VPI design just don't make scense to me.

Let see some of the VPI's design....like the tri-pulley design. It just don't make scense at all....just the bearing(the one which support the platter) already make a lot of noise and you can hear it !!! Now add three tiny pulley and spinning at high speed.....I really don't know how many rpm. At that small size....may be a 800 rpm !!!! And there are a total three high speed pulley spinning at 800 rpm....It is a truly noise make machine !!!! Where did the noise goes? It has to go somewhere...it won't just disappear into thin air....again you can hear more noise and it all come out from you speaker.

And another design is two motor driving one pully and then the turntable.....no two motor turn with 100% accuracy...there is always some variation in speed...Beside one motor is noisy enough, now add two. Double the noise output. Where did all the motor noise goes? Again, you can hear it from you speaker.

If I made someone angry in my earlier post....I apology. I hope this post help you to understand why I'm saying what I said.

Peace.............
edle
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rauliruegas
12,842 posts
 
Dear Edle:
" VPI turntable again......
Hi,
I make my judgement on any product based on observation and common scense. I never own a VPI turntable...".

No one, including you, can speak about supposed noise ( through the speaker ) in a turntable only by " common scense ".
All the turntables makes noises and these noises comes from different places in the TT, this is not the subject: the subject is if all those noises affect the sound reproduction and if we can hear those noises.
Till to now I never hear from any one that the VPI TTs had
a noise that can hear through the speakers ( BTW, I never hear it for any top Highend TT ).
Which your point? that you are against VPI TT?. Not big deal.
Why don't ask directly to VPI Industries the S/N ratio value of their TTs, I'm sure that this value it will be around 80db ( DIN B ) and it is inaudible for you or for any one, but dogs.
Now, in the remote case that you already hear that supposed VPI noise then tell us ( link by link on the audio chain sytem ) the whole audio system where you hear it and do it, too, a favor to all VPI owners: do a report to VPI Industries.
Regards and always enjoy the music.
Raul.
gregadd
574 posts
 
"...The latest step in the TNT V turntable's evolution is the TNT V-HR. The "HR" stands for "Hot Rod" and reflects a number of small and not-so-small changes to the basic TNT V. The most obvious of these are the omission of the three-pulley subchassis and the lack of a removable tonearm board. The subchassis was dropped because, with the V-HR's new Rulon bearing (now included in the standard TNT V as well), its load balancing was no longer required. And, according to Weisfeld, the three pulleys "added noise, in the form of a subtle graying of the sound." ..."
VPI TNT V-HR Turntable& JWM Tonearm, Brian Damkroger ,Stereophile Vol.24 #12,12/01.
As the proud owner of the VPI Aries 2(one motor) I can hear no noise with my naked ear. Moreover I think the belt is incapable of causing that massive platter to vibrate.
edle OP
235 posts
 
Have you try a turntable with air bearing or magnetic suspension before? If not, you don't know what you are talking about?

Cheers and peace............
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rushton
2,445 posts
 
Ah, Edle, you were doing so well, and then you blew it:
If not, you don't know what you are talking about?
This comment is hardly constructive, and it certainly suggests that it is YOU who doesn't know what you're talking about.

I live with an air bearing platter turntable (Walker Proscenium), and I find the VPI turntables to be very quiet and capable of creating a "very black" noise background. Overall, they are excellent turntables. Have you ever listened to one; it certainly sounds like you have not and that you're operating totally from a theoretical perspective, and a not very well informed one at that.
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gregadd
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P.S. found manual for Aries 2. Rumble is minus 80db. Inaudible for the most part.
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