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Are all asynchronous USB inputs similar?

I was wondering if they were all the same, or were certain designs better than others?
koestner
audioengr
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Everyone seems to think that the DAC is more important than the master clock device (USB converter or reclocker). Not so. The jitter of the source is more important, particularly if you goal is to eliminate harshness and get more detail, better slam and imaging.

I would much rather have a less expensive DAC and a good USB converter.

Steve N.
timlub
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Quote" Everyone seems to think that the DAC is more important than the master clock device (USB converter or reclocker). Not so. The jitter of the source is more important, particularly if you goal is to eliminate harshness and get more detail, better slam and imaging"

Steve, you convinced me of this at least a year, maybe 18 months ago. I have used 3 different inexpensive converters and even at this level, converters made a difference. I wish we could all afford your products, but Life is what it is...
Why is it that Top quality USB Converter/re clockers are not typically built into the DAC itself, or why can't it be or maybe why is it that outboard USB converters seem to always be better than an onboard unit? Power supply?
audioengr
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"Why is it that Top quality USB Converter/re clockers are not typically built into the DAC itself, or why can't it be or maybe why is it that outboard USB converters seem to always be better than an onboard unit? Power supply? "

I'm afraid that its just experience and design skills that are lacking. Most USB interfaces on DACs are either new designs by designers that have never done this before, or they are designs by third-party contractors with more interface experience, but little product experience. Product experience would allow them to select the best clocks and other components, optimize the power supplies and the ground-plane infrastructure in the DAC to achieve really low jitter using USB to I2S.

The built-in USB interface (USB to I2S) on my Overdrive DAC is now actually better than the Off-Ramp 5 with Dynamo power supply that I sell.

Totally uninteresting tracks like "Gimme Shelter" from the Stones Let it Bleed now sound fantastic, with weight, depth, slam and great tonality. I can actually understand most of the lyrics now.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
tortilladc
121 posts
 
In my own experience with the Cambridge Audio DACMagic Plus and the Audioengine D1, USB 2.0 works fine in the office but my home PC is a gaming rig that is *heavily* overclocked (it requires water cooling to remain stable).

In that application, USB 2.0 is unlistenable and I rely on toslink SPDIF from the mobo to get clean audio.
mordante
511 posts
 
What about I2S directly from the computer to the DAC. I know a company that offers a I2S PCI card with a HDMI style I2S output.

This company also makes DACS with I2S input of course.
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