Trelja in New York


Well, here it is. My own personal show report. I guess I should be ashamed of myself. Taking up all of this space and all. First, I regret that I did not meet anyone from Audiogon at the show. The show had a MUCH larger attendance than I ever could have anticipated. I mean it was gigantic. And many people there had no idea about high end audio. Second, my lucky day! While I was standing in line to purchase a ticket, a guy announced that the show sucked, and was offering to give his away. Guess who the lucky recipient was? Well, I was able to save the price of admission. I did give my $4 coupon to the guy behind me. Now, for the show... I was disappointed in the sound of most of the rooms. Other than exhibitors displaying on the 2nd and 4th floors, the rooms were just too small. It was a joke. Virtually everyone displaying on the 9th, 10th, and 42nd floors were in bad rooms. Especially, those on the 9th and 10th floors. These manufacturers simply overpowered the rooms they were in. Sound was horrible. One exception to the "too small room" set was Talon speakers. A lousy sounding speaker in my opinion. Thin, weak, and underpowered. Anemic. They definitely get the "all show, no go" award. This is a speaker with a 5 digit price tag? I wonder how someone who owns this speaker feels. They were eclipsed in the "biggest disappointment" category however. By none other than the $85K Dynaudio Evidence. Yes, they play loud, and without strain. That is the best thing I can say about them. But, they need to go visit the Wizard. They have no heart, or soul. These two speakers are proof positive of two things. One, you don't have to spend a lot of money to get good sound. And two, brains and money do not necessarily go hand in hand. Next up for duds was the Creek demo. Nice turntable, but their amp/speakers were terrible. I have heard Creek amps sound a heck of a lot better. Poor job by a good company goes to Rogue. I forget the other companies in their room already, and they should take my lead. Their electronics are a bit pushy, and need to be mated with speakers and cables which are more mellow. It was not the case here, and the sound was bad. Linn was also getting poor sound, despite the fact that they were in a good room. Too much bass and brightness. Are they going for the boom and sizzle crowd? Silverline and Triangle speakers can sound much better than they did at this show. And what is going on with Alon these days? Here was a great speaker company. Their new products seem to be aimed squarely at Donald Trump and Fabio. Expensive would be a supreme understatement. What happened to this company, with its value oriented philosophy? They would dominate just about any room. Nice treble coming from the Raven tweeter. Guess that answers our questions. Seems to be a great, high sensitivity tweeter. Should we think of this tweeter for the SET crowd? Another disappointment, Red Rose Music. They are coming hard, but give them a good listen, and see that if you stop listening to what they tell you you are hearing, the sound is definitely not worth the asking price. Don't believe the hype. Nice treble though, ala the ribbon tweeter(just like Alon). One more. Whoever that horn speaker company is who was in the Atma Sphere room, please GET OUT of the speaker business. Now. And Atma Sphere, you did yourselves a tremendous disservice by teaming up with that company. Fundamentally flawed is all I can say about those horns. Speaking of horns, I was not able to listen to the AvantGardes(ran a demo every 30 minutes), one of the few I could not hear. As I said, most of the sound was bad. I wonder how I would feel if I was showing my products with this kind of sound. Mortified, I think. OK, enough griping, let's get to the winners. First up is Trelja's "Best of Show" award. It goes to the Vandersteen 5s, driven by the new Cary V12 amps. By a landslide. A LOT of companies should take a lesson from what these guys are doing. Impressive. Most impressive. Next up is "Most Stunning" component. This one is also a landslide. The forthcoming Western Electric 300B amps. Yes, you read that right. Art deco. They are not yet operational, but coming in the summer. Just let me put it this way, if they sound 25% as good as they look, they will be the best amps you can buy. And, actually a bargain at $16/pair, complete with WE300B tubes. JMLabs speakers sounded great. These guys are pros. Coincident took the "Best of Show" on one of the tough floors. I know I may seem to lack credibility on this one, but it is true. They did not destroy their sound, and that was enough to earn them the Blue Ribbon. The word smart comes to mind when thinking of the Musical Fidelity room. Unlike Rogue, they mated their products very well. Enough so that the whole system sounded warm and full, despite the new MF line being more neutral and analytical. These guys understand what good sound is. They used Analysis Plus cabling, and it was good(Megasam knows a good combination when he hears it). Merlin speakers struck me as something to try to hear more of, despite not sounding well in their rooms. Cary amps sounded good in most of the places they were playing. Mirage sounded good to me, despite having one of the empiest rooms in the whole show. The Joule Electra room(I forget who they teamed with) fell into the same group as Merlin for me. Not spectacular at the show, but I would like to hear them in a better setting. Dick Sequerra was a prince to me, despite being a God in this industry. Israel Blume was also stellar, though he is not yet a Dick Sequerra. All in all, not a bad time. Just that there were far too many people to be able to give some companies a really good listen. I think less attendance would be a boon to people like us. We would be able to focus more into every room. Hope everyone else who went enjoyed themselves.
trelja
i've been to something like 10 ces's and 3 stereophile shows, tho i turned down several invitations to attend the latest exhibition in nyc about which trelga started this thread. i recall vividly the 1st big time show i went to in las vegas, when the "audio highend" shared space at the sahara with the "adult video" crowd. there, too, the crowds were confining, the signage was less helpful than brail menus to the sighted, the layout of the "bilevel" was virtually impossible to fathom and most of the rooms had all the sonic characteristics one might expect when a shoddy "suite" from which the simulated woodgrain plastic-covered furniture has been removed is filled with multi-thousand-dollar audio ephemera and a few plants that are supposed to look good in the hoped-for pictures to be taken by the all-powerful gurus of the superspecialized "hifi" press. to make matters worse, the electrical system at the sahara was so overloaded, just supplying juice to the slots, that several semi-sized trailers housing huge generators were parked within hearing distance of many rooms, spewing diesel fumes and just enough extra volts to assure brownouts would prevail over the black variety. still, in this seemingly unworkable environment, some systems shown through. and there was magic in the air. stuff from which dreams are composed.

now, when i return to ces, i know what to listen for. some of the best sound comes from rooms that war veterans have set up. they know by now the general "acoustic" characteristics of the venue, now the alexis park, and bring the sort of equipment and room treatments that will make the chosen of their product line sound best. the champ of this ilk at ces 2001 was the guy from westlake audio who set up a $1500 pair of monitors to mate with around $70k of boulder electronics. he built a kind of cocoon in which was placed one perfect listening chair surrounded, front, top and rear by acoustical fabric/treatment.

other exhibitors displayed their wares seemingly unadorned. yet some very few of them also stood out from the masses. among this small group was nagra. this superluxe swiss company played second-generation master tapes on their spy sized reel-to-reel through wilson watt/puppy 6.1's. gorgeous looking. awesome sounding.

i offer these observations not to undercut or diminish the views of others on this thread but merely to provide a frame of reference. audio shows offer a special sort of place to hear a wide array of equipment. nearly always, that equipment is heard in far less than optimal spaces. nonetheless, sometimes one can hear through these limitations and be inspired. that, in a nutshell, is my experience.

trelga, i commend you for the bravery needed to start this thread. i hope many more in our small community get the opportunity to experience the pleasure and pain of hifi shows. i can assure you, it will add almost immeasurably to your knowledge of this sport.

happy listening. -kelly
trelja, sorry to have gotten your name screwed up in my last post. i'd like to think my spellchecker did it. can't be sure. ;>). -kelly
Joe, Thanks for your report. I'm sure it took a lot of time, and it was very helpful. That type of initiative helps keep this site great. (I'm still one of the guys who really likes this site, faults and all). Thanks for your opinions. I don't agree with all of them, but as you said "that's why they make chocolate and vanilla". As far as the side thread here, I wouldn't concern myself with anyone's opinions of me, especially if that someone is willing to make a judgement about me based on a single action or statement. From our past conversations, I am sure you are not swayed by or worried about that. So, to make it short, thanks again and keep up the good work.

Happy listening everyone,

Todd
Thanks Trelja, I was going to limit myself to positive reviews but your post has persuaded my otherwise.
Big disappointments: the nagra/eggelston room. I listened for a while when they were playing some Ellington on their open reel, something was really missing here. Sounded somewhat better with an SACD of Stevie Ray Vaughn but only marginally so. The Vandy/Cary Room I found a little bright, but that was friday morning so maybe things were sorted out better through the weekend - not bad sound, just what I wouldn't expect at that price. The Alon room: hard to describe, big sound, but big midlevel gear like a decent Rega Planar 3 with a good tube integrated only 1O x's the soundstage. The Utopia/Lamm/DCS combo: again I was expecting to be transported here, but instead was glad that I hadn't written that six figure check. Finally, the Dynaudio Room: lots of pyrotechics but no music, here though I thought there might be lots of potential for improvement, but nothing that made me want to stay and figure out how. My best sound vote goes to the Sakura/47 labs room. I really was surprised by this. Ok, the front end was the 25K pitracer as transport, progression dac and then gaincard as amp. These drove Vaessen? (Belgian) monitors. Wow. Just a really, really different type of Hifi. Sounded very smooth lush, tons of detail etc...At the other end of the spectrum I really liked the Totem Hawks with a Rega planet 2000/brio combo. I thought this set-up in a very small room really embarrassed a lot of the bigboy stuff. Also the Arcam CD 23 plus their new integrated(?) with AE minimonitors sounded really good. I guess my bias is showing here, or maybe I adjusted my expecations with price(I don't think so)? I think there's a lot more consistently good stuff at the 1k to 2K per component range than 20K plus statement pieces - its out there, but you've got to look harder. I also was happy to hear, in the EAR/Silverline room a Sony ES 777, after reading so much criticisim of its CD's capabilities I was very pleasantly surprised. Had my first, brief listen to an SACD here, and yeah, it was very,very good. Sony, you may now send me one.
The EAR/Silverline room had a Dodson DAC in their system. Unless they weren't using it, you were hearing the Sony as transport-only for redbook CDs.