A Few Turntable Measurements using the RPM Android App


I found this Android phone app for TT rotation. Phone is Pixel 4a. Thought I'd try this app out. I'm skeptical of these phone apps. Accuracy is always an issue.

I have four tables. I took 5 readings for the first table in order to see what the repeatability is. The "absolute" RPM, RPM peak to peak, and 2 sigma  range readings were very, very repeatable. Consequtive RPM readings differed by a max of  0.01 RPM. Two sigma varied by 0.01% ( 2 sigma means that 86% of the readings were within the stated value). I personally would use 3 sigma, but that's a personal quibble.

I've measured all four of my tables. I am very certain that the results are very repeatable. I measured with no LP, LP rotating,  LP on and Stylus engaged, and phone offset from center. RPM was the same for all cases, The 2 sigma showed a  0.01% rise (really small). The reading at the edge of the LP was different. And scary to do!

Here's the results:

1. DD-40 #1, RPM = 33.32,  2 sigma = 0.07% (63 dB)

2. DD-40 #2, RPM = 33.27,  2 sigma = 0.09% (61 dB)

3. Acoustic Signature WOW XXL, RPM = 33.17,  2 sigma = 0.10% (60 dB). This varied 0.02% from reading to reading (after running the table for 10 minutes, this noise diminishes), but the 2 sigma stayed the same.

4. Denon DP-57L, RPM = 33.25,  2 sigma = 0.02% (74 dB).

 

I then went back to DD-40 #1. Using the RPM app, I set the mean speed to be 33.25. The strobe on the table was slowly moving! I checked against the strobe on the Cardas test LP and yes, the RPM speed accuracy was wrong. I reset TT speed using the strobe. The RPM app measured 33.23 again. I must conclude that although the RPM app is very repeatable, the absolute accuracy is not. The wow result (2 sigma variation) remains the same.

 

I measured the 45 RPM on DD-40 #1. RPM = 44.91, 2 sigma = 0.05%, so the 45 RPM is fairly accurate and the 2 sigma is lower.

 

This app makes no distinction between wow and flutter. It's all reported in the wow reading (wow and flutter are the same thing by nature, the only difference is the frequency range).

 

I'm surprised by the poor performance of the WOW XXL table. This a modern, belt driven table, with a massive platter. It is 5 years old. There's no way for the user to adjust the RPM. The variation in the speed is similar or slightly higher than the 40+ years old Micro Seiki DD-40 tables, which don't have crystal oscillator driven speed control. The WOW XXL takes about 10 minutes before the very high frequency variations settle. Now, I don't know much about the internal workings of the app. Helpful would be better accuracy (or the AC frequency in my house is not 60 Hz). Bandwidth is not reported.

The DP-57L performance is outstanding!. This TT was made in the 80s. And the DD-40 tables are not bad, but are as good as or better than the WOW XXL.

In summary, in my opinion, the RPM Android App is very useful. The absolute accuracy is a bit off, but the repeatability is very good The wow measurement is also quite good.

128x128Ag insider logo xs@2xkevemaher

@terry9 Like with many quantities, the speed aspects of turntable rpm can be described as a mean surrounded by skirts on either side. I say this with trepidation, because the turntable noise is not a stochastic (random) phenomenon. It can have resonances, for example. However, narrowing the width of the frequency spread and diminishing the signal from resonant sources is a worthy goal.

Some say that a turntable that has poor rpm control cannot bring out all the nuance that a high end cartridge can pick up from an LP. This reason alone is why some people are interested in the stability of the RPM. The human ear is not a good instrument to evaluate rpm. One may prefer one or an other method of rpm control because the sound of one is more pleasing than the other. Comparisons based solely on listening is obviously important. This type of comparison is not quantifiable by nature. Specs are there to provide a guide to potential users.

Engineers develop a product based on numerical specifications that the company's sales and marketing generates. Engineers use test instrumentation to measure and compare design approaches. Without a formal methodology and explicit specifications, engineers do not know what nor how to build a product. And importantly, when to stop engineering and consider the problem solved.

Measuring performance parameters of instruments is crucial to product development.

Any company that does not report these values via a spec sheet is denying the customer one way to evaluate and compare different instruments. Some customers need to see these specs because they provide a baseline for the performance of the instrument.

Not publishing a spec prevents that from happening. Often known code words or phrases are used to appeal to the emotions of particular enthusiasts. These are not specs. Perhaps some don't care. I do.

Hmmm terry, 45 kg is ...... like only 99 pounds, not even a hundred.  Watt?  1.8?  

 

Wow.  So on my Music Hall with the I think like a DC synch 4 watt motor I can do a 90 kg platter.   That's a lot of 4 oz fishing weights I have to glue on. I better get going to the bait and tackle store to improve my stereo. 

@mijostyn The belt is brand new. Just put it on about a month ago. The old belt had stretched. The measurements I reported using the RPM app were done with the new belt.

 I was shocked by the poorer performance of the WOW. Acoustic Signature does not publish specs for speed stability, wow, flutter and rumble.

Seems that AS relies on the marketing of their special spindle material, the huge platter and the brass inserts to impress buyers. Must be good performance with all those buzz words, right. A simple measurement shows the difficulty of relying on bling rather than real measured performance. I was fooled. I bought it. One of my biggest audio gear mistakes. Won't happen again.

I believe in these RPM apps!  Perhaps that is because my 42 year old direct drive Denon DP-30L measured so well. Spot on RPM and decent wow. Thanks for the tip!