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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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@kota1 I hope even someone stumbling onto this thread has at least seen why quality powered speakers are superior. I have been pointing out the problems with powered speakers and it's logical extension synergistic systems. If all the components were made for each other the entire system would sound better. When I was working in the film industry I was the first sound mixer to be completely digital from transmitter to recording there were a few others who used digital recorders before I did but not be digital through the entire path, it was a huge help I could keep a lower signal and if an actor got inspired and screamed for no reason I had way more headroom than everyone else because I only used one A to D converter. Production sound recorders now have a dynamic range of 142db we only hear 120db so that means the limitation isn't the recordings anymore 20 years ago it was about 110 db 30 years ago recorders could record about 85db. Sound now has more resolution in every way than we can hear, so naturally manufactures should market the most efficient speaker/amp/DAC/Streamer system possible, nope they are very happy to have all of us waste money buying everything separately and getting it wrong most of the time then buying more and more and more equipment.

 

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I hope even someone stumbling onto this thread has at least seen why quality powered speakers are superior

I would hope they simply see the advantages, especially price to performance ratio.

I have been pointing out the problems with powered speakers

Actually all you have done is praise the Genelecs, you may not realize it but the perception I get is you point out the problems of the 9H (passive), the subs (active) and the amp (hybrid). Then you pointed out problems of buying mismatched gear, so no, I didn’t get that point the problem is with powered speakers.

If all the components were made for each other the entire system would sound better.

To the point, your Genelecs sync, your curated system has stumbled a bit. AFTER you audition a matched Bryston, JBL, or Meridian active system we can discuss.

I realize that I have a matched system of Paradigm speakers, Anthem amps, and a Paradigm streamer/transport. If I got an Anthem AVM processor it would be completely matched but it lacks some features I like.

I had way more headroom than everyone else

You said the magic word HEADROOM, you can’t get the headroom an active system provides with MCH amps in a HT, impossible because all those channels draw from the same power supply. Like sticking 7 straws in a drink and saying its better.

Sound now has more resolution in every way than we can hear

It’s sad, MCH sounds more lifelike than hirez according to the Sound and Vision reviewer. Blind test a red book vs hirez recording with 10 untrained listeners and how many can spot the difference reliably? Put 10 people in a room for the same demo the reviewer got with Miles (hirez vs atmos) and it would be 100% reliable which one is which.

So naturally manufactures should market the most efficient speaker/amp/DAC/Streamer system possible

Bryston is already doing that, those speakers measure like a Floyd Toole master class in speaker design. The passive measure great, the active even better. Same with JBL synthesis, same with Meridian. People buy what they want, not what has the best validated performance. My Paradigm active speakers measure and perform better in every way than their passive counter part. Guess which design had a longer run? The one that was worse, go figure.

nope they are very happy to have all of us waste money buying everything separately

The members here are more sophisticated than a Best Buy shopper. Go look at their systems and if you tell them they are wasting money they are happy doing it, LOL. You got to offer what the customers want, not what they should want. Hence, the reason I like this thread you started, active is a wiser investment on a dollar to SQ basis. They are the opposite of wasteful.

getting it wrong most of the time then buying more and more and more equipment.

Says the man about to buy $$$ speakers without a proper audition, go figure.

What about we change it to:

Getting it RIGHT most of the time by AUDITIONING more and more equipment.

 

 

I saw wisdom in what one of the initial posters said "you do you and don't forget to enjoy the music"

Even through a lossy youtube video the ACTIVE Bryston Mini-T’s seem fantastic and priced very reasonable. A matched 7.1.4 system with these speakers would be great for both 2 channel and immersive. I would get the Bryston SP4 processor/preamp which can do double duty as the crossover in place of the BAX-1 crossover and preamp in the video.

 

And if you have to have towers the Bryston "T-Rex" ACTIVE speaker is formidable.

It wouldn’t be my choice but for the guys wanting two channel towers OMG: