DENAFRIPS DAC ---- Owner Impressions, Feedback, General Discussion, Questions and more....

Wow, looks like I set off a mini-storm above with my Roon settings.  

1. With the Terminator, you get options with DSD or PCM, both of which sound excellent in my system.  I had a pure, PCM-only ladder DAC, which I really enjoyed (Yggy Analog 2 and others), but I wanted options and even better sound quality- that is why I bought the Terminator.

2. Ultimate sound quality for the dollar is the raison d' etre of the Terminator IMHO.

3. The DSD section was not added to the Terminator as some after thought like a display dimmer setting.  

4. The argument above about wasting money if one is using the DSD- section, I can make the same argument to you...  why did you "waste" your money on the Terminator, which has a DSD section you also paid for, but are not using?  Using your logic, go buy a PCM only ladder DAC and save your dollars.  I don't view DAC's as commodities so I don't personally agree with this logic but I have no problems if others view things that way.  

5. I didn't say oversampled DSD with the settings I listed is the ultimate or that I exclusively use DSD, or that my settings can beat up your preferred settings.  I listen to PCM and oversampled DSD on my Terminator and enjoy both (I don't have any DSD music files). 

Enjoy and remember, we Denafrips owners are all on the same team.  This is just a hobby and we like what we like.

I’ve been listening several nights now while changing formats both upsampling and native. I haven’t been able to get the distortion to appear. Guess I’ll just enjoy the music for now and see what happens.

I’m with the others on the DSD vs PCM. PCM is why R2R exists. As I said in a prior post, I prefer it to both native and upsampled DSD. I may actually prefer native DSD “downsampled” to PCM. Not sure if that is a hit on the DACs Sigma Delta/FPGA or a compliment to its R2R. Most likely it’s the R2R is that good. None the less, I still tend to listen to DSD in native format for “fear of missing out“.

There is a caveat to my preference that I mentioned in a prior post. The level changes dramatically when I shift between DSD and PCM. DSD being much softer. I do try to adjust for this using the volume control, but it does make a direct comparison difficult. Is there a setting in Roon that can help equalize the difference so I can get better results?

As for upsampling in roon vs over sampling through the DAC I find myself slightly gravitating to leaving oversampling to the DAC. It’s a close call. I also experimented with using both simultaneously—the thought being to share the load so neither is working as hard. However, oversampling twice equals two sets of filtering which bothers me so I only use one or the other.

Curious, Anyone know what rate the Terminator oversamples to? Is it a multiple of the source? Knowing may help me help me with some more trials.

On another subject. Even though clocking and buffering before the dac, only for the dac to redo it all, makes absolutely no sense to me, new GAIA on the way.  

new here

heard the terminator

nice sound but definitely in the brighter/less weight camp

Hi jjss.
Was just doing a comparison of Anne Bisson’s all analog Direct to Disk “Four Seasons in Jazz” record (If you have a good vinyl rig you need to buy this album. Limited run of 3000 and getting close to the end—can buy direct from her website) vs Tidal redbook on my Terminator.

I’m using a Rega RP10 with Aphelion MC cart and LKV phono section. All playing through ML523 pre and 536 monos feeding 802D3s. They compare favorably with an edge to the Termi. Probably the last descriptor I would use would be “bright/less weight”.(I used to use an Oppo 205. That’s exactly how I would describe it, bright/less weight.)

Like most equipment, Terminators do have their critics, but I’ve never seen it described quite like that.

Curious, how extensive was your time with the terminator? Do you know if it had the new board? Any idea about the source and source settings? What was the associated equipment? Did you have a chance to compare it directly with another dac?

Always eager to hear a counter view and welcome!