DYNAUDIO C4 VS B&W 800 D3


Hello Friends,

1. I am from Mumbai, India and am planning to upgrade my present system to the following:-

(a) Speakers - Dynaudio C4s or B&W 800 D3.

(b) Power Amp - Mcintosh 452 or Mcintosh 601 (Monoblocs).

(c) Pre Amp - Mcintosh C 52.

(d) CD Player - SA 8005.

(e) Cables, Power and DAC - Not decided.

(f) Turn Table - In the Future.

2. Please advise me whether I should go for Dynaudio C4 or B&W 800 D3. I have heard both speakers but on different setups as the dealers in Mumbai are different. I liked both but B&Ws are costlier. Also if I choose B&W, should I go for Mcintosh 601 Monoblocs instead of Mcintosh 452 Amp? I listen to Rock, Folk, Country and may be mix of other music.

Thanking You All

Regards,
T. K. Varghese
thelapillil
I too have gone through this. I originally started out with C4’s, MC452 and a McIntosh C2500. Prior to the C4’s, I had a pair of B&W 804 D2’s. Not even close to the 800 D3’s, though I’ve listened to them and still preferred my C4’s.

The MC452 was absolutely not enough power for the C4’s. It sounded ok at low to medium listening volumes, but turn it up and you will begin to hear awkward upper frequency decay. I don’t want to mince words when I say decay, as it wasn’t decay in a literal sense, as in room interference. Almost choppy, but not distorted. I had GIK Acoustics design my acoustic paneling, so I do have sound treatment, but it wasn’t quite clipping either. I don’t know enough about the interaction of capacitance and voltage to make an accurate assessment of what was going on. When we built our house, I had a dedicated 20 amp line ran for my listening room and use Shunyata Research power cabling and conditioning, so I know it wasn’t for a lack of available voltage to drive the amp. Nonetheless, I can share from experience, I was not happy, at all, with the setup. The MC452 is not enough power for the C4’s. The monoblocks would be more than enough power to drive them. As for what the MC series amps sound like with Dyn’s, there are plenty of opinions and thoughts on it. Me personally, I no longer prefer the McIntosh amp sound, especially with Dyn’s.

At low to moderate volume levels, the combo just didn’t sound transparent and organic enough to me. Almost muddied with some music and I listen to a wide range from Miles Davis to Lamb of God.
I sold the MC452 and went with a set of PS Audio BHK300 mono blocks and they sound epically awesome now. I’ve swapped out the preamp with other makes, attempting to improve it and I didn’t find a better sounding pre, to me, in the $6k-$8k range. The C2500, I did swap out the tubes for a OE vintage set of Mullard’s, those paired with the PS Audio’s more than covers down on everything I like to hear in my music.

And reading Kot's post above regarding obsessive compulsive Dyn owners...it's true.  The C4's take time to get into position and the toe in on them is the most I've seen of any speaker.  They're not very efficient, so do require gobs of power and they can be sensitive to various other items in your signal chain, but they sound friggin' sweet once dialed in.

Happy hunting!
Thanks a lot friends. You both explained the pros and cons clearly and this will greatly help me to come to a conclusion. I shall definitely try out the equipment you all have suggested. Thank you all.
Both 800D3 and C4 are very, very good.... I’m sure you ll be happy with the either one.... Having said that if you have a chance try to give a listen to the Chario Serendipity or the Eminent Technology 8b model (don’t be misled by their ET8s laughingly "low" by the current hi-end audio standards price, as its sonics are on the even playing field with any of the above when properly set up).... Regards :)
For the Chario. me thinks its well worth trip to Milan to take a listen :) Carlo V. of Chario is a gentleman, and their listening room is superb :) (Besides, you ll save yourself distributor’s margin, which in India’s case is quite a lot, given your country’s ungodly high customs duty rates! ;) )
ETs Bruce Thigpen is one of few true geniuses left in the field of audio today.... He is a pleasure to talk to and himself encyclopedia of knowledge...Check them out as well :) Just my couple of cents :) ....