CHINESE tubes?


IMO Chinese made tubes have very poor quality, sound wise which they are sold at very low price and somebody trying to promote those tubes by hyping them that they are the best?give me break.
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Due to my history of importing Chinese audio components, several years ago, a number of people approached me in regard to doing the same with vacuum tubes.

Over the course of a couple of years, I sold a lot of Shuguang and Psvane tubes. While I found the ruggedness encouraging, the level of sonics surprised me most. In my experience, outside of today’s more exotic production, Chinese vacuum tubes represent the best sounding, most reliable in current production.

The base Shuguang 12AX7B, 2A3B / 2A3C, 300B, 211, 845, EL34B, EL84, and KT88 cost less than pretty much anything else out there, provide good sound, and the best reliability currently available. Yes, there were some tube types that did not hold up in the field, and after discovering that, I stayed away from them.

The Shuguang 12AX7B aka Silver Dragon bests most American and European offering from the golden age. I didn’t believe it, and it still seems implausible. But they blew the Mullard 12AX7 right out of my Jadis. I hosted a tube shoot out with 20+ audiophiles, some of which post here on Audiogon. We ended up breaking things up into three rounds of elimination. The Shuguangs surprisingly bounced such highly regarded tubes as the Telefunken smooth plate and Mullard, to make it to the last round to place in the top 3, along with the Sylvania triple mica black plate 5751 and Telefunken ribbed plate.

I’m not a big a fan of the sonics of the Shuguang 6SN7 and 5AR4, but have still found them quite reliable. I love the JJ 5AR4 in comparison, sonically, and that’s what I use in my amps as sound is my highest priority. But the JJ 5AR4 disappoint me as they just fail / arc over too easily. I will say the ugly and old looking NOS metal base Shuguang 6SN7 variant (labelled 6N8P) sound pretty good.

Because of personal experience, and learning the hard way, no one’s more skeptical of Chinese high-end audio components and the companies that produce or sell them as I am. But the vacuum tubes come from a different industry; one I have gained far more confidence in.
I have found the Shuguang Black Treasure CV181s and KT88s provide very good sonics and reliability in my Modwright LS100 preamp, and Ayon Spirit 2 integrated, respectively. 

I use either NOS Phillips or Mullard 5AR4s in my Modwright LS100; Elyse DAC, and LineMagnetic 518ia integrated
I recently got a pair of the Treasure C181's for my Don Sachs custom octal-tube based preamp and they are an improvement over all the 50's and 60's NOS 6SL7's I have been using.  They are ultra detailed against a black background.  I don't know about their longevity, but they are by far the best Chinese tubes I have ever heard, clearly bettering the fabulous NOS tubes I had been using and loving.  I bought a quad of them for spare.  Don tried them in his own preamp and his experience mirrors mine.  Check around on eBay for the best prices on them.
My Line Magnetic 518ia's 845s are labelled Line Magnetic but are either Psvane or Shuguang, quiet , nice sounding, reliable so far. 
I have several drawers, (hundreds and hundreds of tubes) full of tubes. Both NOS and new production. I have found the new production Shuguang and Psvane to be as good, if not sometimes better, (depends on the circuit) than any of my NOS tubes from Mullard, Amperex, Telefunken, Siemens, etc.

So saying "all" of the Chinese tubes are bad, it just wrong.