The Cubs are wonderful. I own the Watt/Puppies and bought a pair of Cubs because they are so great. The mids and highs are amazing and although a subwoofer would help, it is not necessary. It would really depend a lot on your room and other equipment in your system. The Cubs are incredible when it comes to placement of voices and instruments, very holgraphic. They are very fast and fun to listen to. As far as the price the dealer is charging you, I bought a pair that were slightly used for the $3,000 range. If you want a pair for that price range, I will be happy to help you with a friend that is a dealer.