WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?


It seems like when I see comments on high end gear there is a lot of negativity. I have been an audiophile for the last 20 years. Honestly, if you know how to choose gear and match gear a lot of the high end gear is just better. When it comes to price people can charge what they want for what they create. If you don’t want it. Don’t pay for it. Look if you are blessed to afford the best bear and you can get it. It can be very sonically pleasing. Then do it. Now if you are also smart and knowledgeable you can get high end sound at mid-fi prices then do it. It’s the beauty of our our hobby. To build a system that competes with the better more expensive sounding systems out there. THOUGHTS?

calvinj

Showing 3 responses by mahgister

You are right about the phone then i apologize for my remark ...

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As for the BACCH SP I have already written about it on the thread regarding EQ. What more would you like me to say about it? And keep in mind, *this* thread is about making up reasons why some audiophiles hate “high end audio.” It’s not about actual game changing new technology in audio.

You are right about this specfic thread question too too ...😑

My observation was there only to say that BACCH filters is a more interesting matter and more important than your debunking invitation to solve costly cables differences obsession among audiophile ...

 

For me audio is mainly and primarily about acoustics not about price tag...Then not about double blind test either ...More about acoustics parameters as in the BACCH filters case and real revolution .. You are way more well placed than me to spoke about it if you mind about people here and mind about giving them a real important information instead of a patronizing song ......

I guess it is the case for you too acoustics matter the most  , if i put aside your double blind test protocol insistance which insistance is also partaken by the objectivist crowd ...Hence the negative reaction against you from people who dont want to be patronized , nevermind if they are wrong or right about their cables tasting with or without double blind tests ...

Hate come from ignorance...There is nothing else to say about hate ...

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The fact that a process is methodically established and rigorously as a high cuisine protocol "chef" dont means it is relevant to be called science ...It can be based on scientific attitude as medecine is, but medecine based on science is also a healing human art ...It is not reducible to linear diagnostic eliminative methods automation so useful thery can be and they are ...

Science is not about protocol and statistics , even if there is protocols and statistics in science for sure ...The attitude and protocol of the INDIVIDUAL  thinking process and of awareness direction are primary for creativity ...Standardization of the thinking process is the death of art as it is the death of science ....Technology subsist very well to  the standadization of the thinking process in a new religious form : transhumanism ...

Then there is an abuse of the word here using the word science associated to double blind test  ... The simple or double blind test may be objectives controls method  they are not sciences "per se" ... The bowl containing water is not the water ...

In Acoustics the neurophysiology of hearing and the multiple theories of hearings are the background behind which any objecttive description of the facts must be interpreted to be called science ... Acoustics is a science, not double blind test which is a tool and a protocol which may be or may be not part of a process , the results of such tests are facts that waited to be interpreted ... These test are not a mechanism for producing facts they are themselves merely facts among other facts waiting to be interpreted in the context of psycho-acoustics theories ...

As i said simple blind test are usual in any desing process , double blind test protocols, cannot be used on a day to day designing routine process ...They are mainly useful at the end as a marketing or as a manifestation of a result for everybody who want to try ...

When an audiophile design his system parts together in an long and continuous optimization process mechanically, electrically and acoustically , he use simple blind test by intention or by accident or the two ...

Proposing to audiophiles a public double blind test protocols is meaningfull for secondary acoustic facts : which cables make a difference for example ... It is impractical and useless for primary psycho- acoustic facts evaluation which may resulted from multiple electrical,mechanical and acoustical specific factors all together ...It is way easier to learn how to listen and hear objectively by trials and errors and by analysing scientific principles behind the audio system/room /ears ...

Simple blind tests are s necessary and are enough for all designers and audiophiles ... Claiming that double blind test must be done by audiophiles is scientist ideology at best not science and may be an organized deception on a stage at worst ...

Industry using products as new drugs need these double blind protocols to eliminate placebo effects first and second to compute statistics for the establishment of the effect of a drug , this drug can be useless by the way, it does not matter for them .... In the perception of sound qualities, placebo effect and biases are inevitable, we must learn how to put them aside not necessarily to erase them ...Qualia too are studies in acoustics not only physical waves ..

In psycho-acoustics too scientist designed double blind tests , for example to measure some aspect of sound perception , but they do it as a protocol to ELIMINATE FOR A MOMENT a biased interpretation and search for the correct theory behind the facts when they can isolate them, and they use this protocol statistically ... This method cannot be transfered to audio evaluation perception directly in a room during the designing process of one designer ...As i said simple blind test is enough during the optimization of the audio perceptive and choosing process ...

Scientism masquareding as science is a big problem nowadays ...It has been one for centuries ...Materialism was this unsunkable Titanic of scientism till he encounter the invisible iceberg : quantum mechanics ...Now technological cults has replaced the sunked Titanic materialism and want to impose this ideology on the world for a complete control of the inexisting free spirit ...Materialism was affirmative : only matter exist ....Now the refined ressuscitated materialism in the technological cults as transhumanism devalorise humans to be replaced by "intelligence" because if matter dont exist , the soul dont exist too , only abstract intelligence existm machines ...No free will and no soul ....

 

The best audio in the world need the best room in the world ... Nobody can afford it ...

Forget it ...

In the same way you forgot the top F1 car which need a designed road for his performance when you drive any normal usual very good car ...

 

Be creative and redesign or optimize your Toyota or your Ford...

Audio is about being creative and about acoustic learnings and learning design ... It is not and never had been about the best in the world ... ( Save for the like of Bill Gates or Bezos)

I am so proud of my low cost system optimized and modified , so good it is , with his not to heavy limitations , that i almost pity those who spend 50 times the amount of money i put in it for a better experience for sure than mine but not so much far in advance that what they think anyway, and thats is my point ...

When you reach the minimal acoustical satisfaction threshold , defined as some balance ratio of quality between all the acoustics factors involved; you are happy with the music , you listen without stop and knowing that some way better system/room exist dont impede your ectasy at all ... There is a minimal threshold ...Learn how to reach it ...

 

Creativity and music exclude hate ...

Ectasy exclude envy ...

But the bad news : creativity dont always  exclude pride ...

I am very proud of my peanuts costing system/room  ... I apologize for that and for my  long and highly vocal posts...

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Those of us that can’t afford the REAL high end gear want to soothe our regret by saying the products are overpriced and cater to snobs. Those that can afford the very expensive gear lament that others that cannot afford it do not know what they are talking about and are just jealous.