Dear travbrow: that stylus replacement never mounted and as I said came with two original Empire boxes. As I told you I have other used stylus replacements for the same Empire model and rigth now just checked all them and thak's to you I learned that yes exist two different original stylus replacements main difference shorter cantilever. From checking these stylus replacements only one stays a top for playing with the cartridge and in the others the stylus guard comes/falls down and no one of them including the one that came with the cartridge is perfectly centered.
Btw, the only Empire cartridge model that I use with the stylus guard in place is with the D3 because is extremely dificult to take out and fortunatelly its stylus guard comes with out any sign of loose, even I have to put some " force " to up/down it. So vibrations are lower that with the 1000.
I have no doubt that that stylus replacement performs in good shape because all the used replacements I own and that its cantilwever is not perfectly centered performs very well.
What I want to test is the one with the shorter cantilever that I never been aware of its differentlength/size but will has to wait due that the D3 is running really good and better than my 1000.
What I was unaware till today is that exist a third D3 model and is the D3 LAC. Same stylus shape than the top 600LAC and the top EDR.9.
No, the D3 LAC is not a better design cartridge than the original D3 that still is the top one of that Empire line.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Good confirmation of whom you really are. Useless to make another " intent " for ( how says Timeltel? ) " peace ".
So be there...and as the other person you come back for more: your choice not mine.
R. |
Dear @frogman : Understand it but all Agon posts has no " boss " but Agon only and you, me or any one can use it and about post private emails that person force me to do it and he did it not one or twice times with his no reason attacks to me.
Didd you read it his started attack post and the ones that followed and the time I took before made public that email? Maybe you have more patience than me but I'm not sure what you will do if I directly try to crushed you through several in a row posts in the same thread ! !
This is not about only of patience but human been dignity and I deffend it. The other person not only attack me but put in doubt my honesty and I think that even you can´t tolerate if some one attack you directly in that way.
I always respect to you but I disagree with your post for the reasons I explain here.
Frogman please take my " place " and then think about what those both persons are doing even I try to " close " the differences in between with chac and you read his response.
I'm not saying that I'm rigth but they look for not me. I never started to name Halcro or Chakster in the last 6 pages till both attack me.
Sorry to disturb you but everything has its limits and here both of them cross the line with any single word ( from my part. ) against them before their attack: understand that? I know you do and I can see you don't care about human been dignity limits. Of course that those persons not even know what means human dignity but I'm sure you know it perfectly.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @travbrow : The Audiocraft is an unipivot design, are very good looking tonearms but for your budget there are non-unipivot tonearms that are way better than AC and way better for your MM cartridge.
You have the Audio Technica 1100, Signet ( part of the AT group. ) clone XK-50. Both are really good performers.
Other than those you can look for the Lustre GST-801 or something that you already know the EPA 100 from Technics.
Btw, never use any cartridge with the Empire type stylus guard in place, always take out. It really damages the quality cartridge performance levels.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @halcro : I think this is your last post to me in this thread:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-needs-a-mm-cartridge-type-when-we-have-mc/post?postid=1608009#1608009
as you can read your " tone " of that conversation between you and me was way way different. What maked that you started your " figth " this time when in that time I gave you even " thank's " to brougth here that JVC 4MD cartridge that I own for years and never mounted till your post that gave me the opportunity to listen it? Anyway and looking to " calm " our differences and hopping that you don't react like the other one that followed trying to hit me with out success I will explain about Japanese Stereo great and only source in USA of Japanese top audio items in those vintage times: first than all was not at North Rodeo Drive, I only remember that " North ". His rigth addresses was 930 North La Cienega Boulevard in LA. In those times even in USA almost no one used emails to make audio business at least not Japanese Stereo and obviously no PP either. All interchange of information/communication was doing trhough letter yes air mail write information. Was here where I bougth my 66 and no I don't paid nothing closer to 6K but a lot lot lower price. JS had so lowly prices that today is just " incredible ". I have on my hand its price list ( only for a few items. ) and here are listed the Technics EPC-P205 MK4 in 125.00 and the EPC-100C MK4 in 285.00 ! ! ! SAECs, Koetsu, Dynavector, Goldbug, Accuphase,Denon, Yamaha, the top Micro Seiki TT/tonearm, Highphonic, Audiocraft, and the like all at " ridiculous prices " for today standards. Unfortunatelly In those times I had not any interest in MM/MI cartridge and was at JS where I bougth tonearms, LOMC cartridges, accesories and many more audio items. My highphonic cartridges came from JS. Yes now defunct. I still have his phone number area code 213 and I dialed yesterday and of course does not exist any more. The LA office was a branch of the " corporate " main office in Tokyo but the employees were not japanese people but USA citizen. Dorothy Gatlin was the lady with whom I made all my " business " there. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @travbrow : Better with out that cable because you can have or buy a lot better today cable. The tonearm connector is trough universal DIN PIN-5, so no problem at all.
Price is ok due its quality, even a bargain.
At the end is up to you.
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Dear @pryso : Thank's. Now please tell me how do you name a person that has a severe incapacity to understand " things " ? No, ignorant is not the word because an ignorant person ( ignorant in a specific issue. ) always can learn, has the capacity to learn. This man has not that learning capacity and I posted several facts that proved and still follows posting " more of the same " because has no facts to achieve success trying to make me a damage. I know his full frustration every time he intented but that frustration level goes higher every time he fails and fails always. """
even between him and the well known retipper whom he left with unpaid bills. """ that he posted today. Well in this thread this 2019 he was participating and in an answer from me to travbow I gave an explanation about . That explanation ( that in reality did not has to exist. ) is thank's to a true stupid person who in the past posted information with out had the complete information/version but only one part of it:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-needs-a-mm-cartridge-type-when-we-have-mc/post?postid=1710906#1710906
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/who-needs-a-mm-cartridge-type-when-we-have-mc/post?postid=1710961#1710961
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The second batch, he wouldn’t even answer several emails within the first year. I gave up and thought he might of passed away or they got lost and he wouldn’t care to acknowledge the situation. Anyway, not near the expensive loss you experienced. """ Not only I losted those 6 cartridges ( over 6k. ) but the other cartridges he still have that are mine. @pryso , it's not that I'm irespectofully but some one that can't learn ( as I said is not ignorant. ) is just stupid. Why posted again on that? which is the word that people uses in USA when exist incapacity to learn or in other countries? Could you share with me and then I can use that word? One and again over different topics posting the same even that facts say he is wrong one and again because his past posts confirm he is wrong and I mean in other threads. His history is always the same trying to hit me. Boring. Again thank's and have fun. Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Btw, here some gentlemans that bougth to me through WU: """
Jue 06/04/2017 07:58 PMMichaelRaul,I will send the money, WU, in a couple days. Gracias,Michael Sorry, the date was 5 and I was thinking today. No problem, cartridges are yours. """"
that gentleman lives in Hawai.
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George Jue 13/04/2017 12:16 AMUsted Thanks Raul. Got a text from WU that you had collected the money…maybe the $ 74 fee charged by WU must be for the text notification !!!!! On another note – how does the ADC Astrion compare with the TRX series ie. TRX2 or 3 ? Just curious….thanks…keep well…regards…George """
this from New Zeland. George bougth from me 4-5 cartridges in different ocassions, the ones I remember: Spectral, Astrion, Dimension 5 and something else.
Other gentleman bougth by WU from India but in USA too in Denver. By coincidence two gentleamsn in the Denver area.
All very pleased/satisfied.
R.
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Dear @bima : Looking to your posts and that "BS " word I think I was not that person because I don't use that word. That word was patented in USA but it's like to say: " hi friend " because no one cares about but if you use ignorant every body in USA feel insulted. Such is life. Each country in the world has its " own language ".
I remember that you gave me and answer in one thread about that I posted that MUSIC at a live event at near field position is not sweet and warm and the key word in my statement is: " near field " , that means 1-2m from the source.
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Dear @travbrow : Did you pull the triger in that AT 1100 or you already found out a better alternative?
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear friends: I will try this with several LPs that some one gave me by free but that are in very bad conditions. Not only because very old recordings but because the place where he had in stock at his place ( with out been aware of it. ) be flooded and the LPs " lives " below water and dust for years. We will see if this works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2s-Sis0T80
I have anything to lost because I can't listen in the very bad condition those LP are. R. |
Dear @lewm @harold-not-the-barrel : "" the job of the cantilever is to faithfully transmit the motion of the stylus tip, not "sound" """
agree and the remark from Mitachi that the speed of sound transmission on boron was the reason to use boron is totally non-adequated. But Mitachi is totally wrong when said that boron is 7 times faster than aluminum: WRONG. So Mitachi is no reference for no one in that regards.Mitachi was spreading " corrupted " information that srves no one but that person to stays in the very very low knowledge levels.
Btw, Diamond material is the best cantilever material and then boron. Diamond speed sound transmission is 12K m/s and boron 11K m/s and depending of the kind of aluminum used can has 9K m/s. Btw, berilyum has a little over 12K m/s and ceratinly is not the best cantilever material against diamond or boron that are the top cartridge manufacturer choice and certainly not because " speed " but for other reasons that already were analyzed in this thread and other threads.
I agree in almost all what HNTB posted and main problem with the russian is that he think that because Mitachi manufactured for Glanz, Astatic, Micro Seiki and many others was Mitachi whom decided all about how each model has to sounds/performs.
In the case of Astatic was their people whom decided everything on the cartridge motor design and cartridge built materials and that’s why exist differences with Glanz on output levels, inductance and many other cartridge parameters. But not only that was Astatic whom voiced its cartridges and decided the quality level performance they wanted to achieve not Mitachi. Micro Seiki did it this way too and that’s why exist diffedrences.
But there is ( between other things ) a main subject that that person not yet understand even that he read from me and other gentlemans the absolutely main cartridge characteristic that is what makes the main differences in between: CARTRIDGE MOTOR.
The Astatic MF2500 was in the market way before than the MF-100 series and its cartridge motor is different from the MF 100 and it’s showed through his superior quality level performance. Seems to me that the " new " MF 100 series were designeddesigned/voiced but different persons inside Astatic.
Btw, Scan-Tech manufactured LOMC cartridges for Audioquest and Linn ( between others. ) I owned its top of the line models and the Audioquest performs different than the Linn one, both with similar prices. Of course was niot Scan-Tech whom decided the quality level performance of AQ or LINN but were AQ and Linn whom decided about in the same way Astatic did it.
Other example: Benz Micro and VDH were involved in the Carnegie phono carrtridges for Madrigal company but whom decided exactly the quality level performance through its cartridge voicing was the people of Madrigal not BM/VDH. I own those Cargie’s and are far away from VDH or BM cartridge performance characteristics. Btw, the Cargie 2 is the star down there I sold the One that was really inferior to.
I already learned that cartridge specs in reality can’t tell us the whole picture. Technics EPC P100C MK4 ( tha’s a really fine cartridge design. ) owns perhaps the best frequency response specs of any MM cartridge and is outperformed by the MF-2500, ADC ( extremely humble, not only because its aluminum cantilever or ellipthical stylus shape but because even its pin connectors are not even gold platyed ! ! ? ? ) 26/27 or the AKG P100LE and no one of these cartridges can’t compete with the specs in the Technics.
Main difference for the better?: different CARTRIDGE MOTOR.
That person can’t learn and never will do because has a very high frustration that I already pointed out and his target is to win the discussion no matters what.
A discussion is not for see who wins but for all the reading gentlemans can win. We need winners down here not loosers as him.
I have to say in his merit: that’s a very good phothograper ( maybe is what he needs to dedicate ) and is a very good web navegator, he has here another alternative for he can do it instead to waste his time in audio forums.
I know it’s futile and useles to explain some thing to a person that has incapacity to learn but I post because every day comes at this kind of forums newcomers/rookies and we have to try not spread mis-information or stupid things but the other way around: that the new comers can trust in Agon as a forum where they can find true help. I think that is a responsability to each one that post in this forum and not try to win a discussion with out true facts and to have those true facts we need to learn.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
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i’ve been able to compare Aluminum versus Boron on Glanz. ""
so what: same cartridge motor.
I compared Clavis DC with ceramic blend cantilever material against boron cantilever and boron wins why? because with the same carrtridge motor boron cantilever permorfms better than the original ceralloy build material..ADC 26 against ADC 27, both same motors and same aluminum cantilever but the 27 stylus is nude ellipthical against the 26 non-nude ellipthical. Both sounds similar but the 27 win for a " hair ".
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you will find more information from different posters. """, that confirms that Astatic cartridge motor is different than the Glanz cartridge motor.
You can't win but maybe in the long future can assimilate that fact.
and you for fourrth time in this thread posted the Mitachi statements where this is absolutely WRONG:
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BORON isconsidered as an ideal material of cantilever in its character that transmits sound to fast as 7 times than Aluminum, """
totally ignorant about. Which letter in the word WRONG you did and do not understand that made it you again posted that Mitachi ignorant statement in that specific regards.
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Dear @travbrow : Good for you. Please share your experiences when all is done.
Yes, is made it for high compliance cartridges but works fine with medium cu and some low cu as the 103.
That tonearm is one of the designs where exist and anti skate mechanism that according to the stylus shape ( sperical, ellipthical and LC. ) we make the AS set up.
The tonearm has very good design engeneering efforts on it and high build quality.
Its removable straigth arm wand ( like the Micro Seiki MAX 282. ) makes easy that the toneam works with different carrtridges. If we have the removable arm wands it fuction as a removable headshell tonearm designs. Exist too and S shaped arm wand with removable headshell. At, made very good job down there. AT main priority tonearm 1100 design was to fulfill the cartridge needs. Not a " perfect " arm but has that approach.
R. |
Dear firneds: If you are an Empire 4000D3 owner and you have some time not listen to it I urge to start to do and maybe you will be surprised as I'm for its very high quality level performance.
Last time I listened was in 2010 and in all this almost 9 years my room/audio system was and still is up-grading and this Empire very old cartridge is just great one.
If some of you do not own yet then try to find out a sample in good operation condition.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @travbrow : Is really top performer and as I said tested in a " new " overall room/audio system.
Fortunatelly I own 3 original stylus replacement that like in the ADC 26/27 gives me the oportunity to make a top cantilever/stylus retip.
Rigth now in stock condition the 4000D3 is a heavy challenge for any cartridge in this MM/MI thread. Very nice indeed.
R. |
Dear @lewm """
the 4000 DIII has a relaxed sound but because this cartridge ( like the Acutex or the Technics ) give you the impresion to be " there " where the music is " happening " with all the natural agresiveness that has the live music. """
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The cartridge has high resolution and is very precise ( alittle better than Acutex on accuracy subject. ) with out the " perfect " accuracy of the Technics P100CMK4..."""
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Here too the cartridge shows its very fast response to bass transients that give to the sound the rightness of live music in this frequency range. I like it even more than the Acutex here."""
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The Acutex shows too that " rounded " bass response even a little pronounced over the Empire, both cartridges are exceptional in this frequency range. """
Those are high-ligths from the 4000/D3 review and I can't read that one of those great cartridges outperforms overall the others.
Acutex as the PC 100CMK4 ( P-mount version. ) still have its own top merits as any top rated vintage cartridges. Perhaps an advantage and more than an advantage but fortunatelly I had and have first hands experiences with almost any vintage cartridge out there.
So, I have on hand true experines with to can compare it in my own system and even in other room/systems because I did it and time to time I do.
Lewm your Acutex is really good but you need to find out the 4000D3 and obviously the great of the greatness ADC 26/27.
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Dear @frogman : ""
The original 4000D models use a thinner plain tapered aluminum cantilever and I believe the earliest versions were true nude diamonds. The model number is marked on the bottom vs the side of the Gold version. Different specifications. """
That's what @travbrow posted because I understand he owns both. I can't say because my Gold was sold many many years ago, but for what I remember more than specs the main difference could be in the cartridge motor design. The only spec I remember of the GOld ( but you can better know than me. ) is that does not runs at 0.25grs. as the original VTF low range.
As I posted during my review of the D# that mount metal-clip type is way non-orthodox and in those times before I listened to the cartridge I was seriously worried about and with not to much good expectations till I tested ! !
It's not even ease to center perfect in the headshell holes as with other " normal " cartridges but when we already doing " rigth " is very good performer.
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Dear @travbrow : That " plastic piece " was really a news for me because it's not easy to perfect centered that " clip half opened holes ".
I will look in my both original Empire boxes and maybe is there if I have that lucky, but I doubt. We will see.
R. |
Dear @timeltel : Almost all top models inside each cartridge manufacturer meets " calibration standard " that are the manufacturer cartridge targets designs and normally they showed through the charts for both cjhannels that comes with each cartridge where specify the test recording number used, used VTF, output levels, temperature and the like.
That’s a " universal " calibration used in those top cartridge models.
But the " hand calibration " is way different because not only meets with the " calibration standard " but are hand calibrated for the inductance, output level, channel separation, cartridge impedance etc. . This is made it individually and the information applies only to that specific motor/cantilever-stylus. The accuracy on these hand calibrated top models is absolutely more accurated that the " calibration standard " cartridge that’s not a " hand calibrated individually ". These ones comes with a certification signed by responsable of that hand calibration and with its own cartridge serial number.
I own Stanton " individually hand calibrated " and Stanton top model non-hand calibrated but that meets the universal " calibration standard ".
Do you own the Stanton 981 HZ hand calibrated and other non-hand calibrated?
If you don’t then you are talking of something that through your link just does not comes any specific explanations.
If you don’t own it then you are posting only what your " imagination " at its best tells you and sorry but it’s wrong.
@timeltel normally I only post first hand experiences and normally I have all the " hairs in my hand " and never post something I " imagine " or suppose about or logic tells me.
In the case of the 20SS against the 15 I know the total " historty " behind the same subject because in this same thread I posted several years ago something like this:
""" I own all top of the line AT MM/LOMC cartridges that never were sold in my country and even I owned way before were marketed in USA or Europe. The reason for that is that the Director and President of Audio Technica in Mexico is a close friend of mind: Lic. Guajardo whom at the same time is owner of a big custom broker company at the border for import/export merchandise.
He signed ( in those " vintage times ". ) a join venture with AT Japan to build in the México factory microphones/headphones for all world market ( 7 specific models. ). So he was partner of AT.
He brougth exclusively to me: AT 20SS, AT 25/24, At ML170 and 180, AT32, AT MC 1000, AT 37 and several other top MM/LOMC cartridges but he sold me too: Step UP transformers like the AT 1000 and the 660, the vaccum Disc Stabilizer AT 666, the pneumatic great footers AT616, the AT electrostatic headphones, all cleanse LP/stylus accesories as the AT637 ( that still own a works marvelous. ), the headshell/cartridge holder AT 6003, all its top iC cables and headshell wires PCOCC, all the AT magnesium headshells models and the latest AT LH/OCC headshell series, the very bad and heavy Technicard ceramic TT platter, tonearms as the AT1100 and 1010 or 1503, etc, etc.
But not only that, things are that in those times AT was the exclusive world distributor of famous Telarc LP’s and Lic. Guajardo brougth for me the almost enterely Telarc catalog including its test LP tha’s just fenomenal one.
I owned or own AT items that only were marketed for domestic customers ( no one out side Japan except Lic. Guajardo and me. ). Latter on he made me the favor for I can get Signet items.
Btw, the Micro and headphones manual and advertasing printed papers were made in Japan even that were manufactured in México we can read in the papers: Printed in Japan. """
Yes, the 20SS is hand selected.
@timeltel , in the past you and me had very hot dialogues in this thread but I learned that you posted always with good intentions and never trying to hit me or put me in " ridiculous/laughing " and I respect that for you in the past and today. My intentions with gentlemans as you always be and will be with good intentions and positive attitude no matters how hot is the discussion.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear friends: The first hand experiences by @frogman @travbrow @halcro confirm that same specs in same manufacturer cartridges not makes or explain the differences in two same manufacturer models.
The Empire D3 and Gold one is that first hand experiences that just what makes the real and true quality difference in between cartridges is the CARTRIDGE MOTOR that’s what I started to " shout " more than 1.5 years ago and some people can’t understand even today.
Same CARTRIDGE MOTOR with better cantilever/stylus shape could be better quality performers.
Stanton 980/981 is other example of that where the 981 is a hand calibrated model: accuracy and thigthness characteristics on that 981 same CARTRIDGE MOTOR than the 980 is superior because its same CARTRIDGE MOTOR is " hand calibrated "..
Empire and Stanton examples are FACTS on that cartridge motor audio subject.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @lewm : Please speak for your self because in those times I had several first hand experiences with " thousands " of different carrtridges and I can tell you you are wrong. Even when I started this thread I did it testing " today " MM/MI cartridges against some vintage ones that I still had.
In those times I not owned any single LOMC cartridge and you can be sure that some Agon readers had similar experiences. Obviously you have not those great experiences.
I compared the AT25 vs the AT24 or the 155 against other top cartridge.
As I already posted what I’m saying is not a by-product of my " imagination ".
It’s weird that you ask about the M320 that you own in NOS shape when you can in your own system a in between the LPM320 and the M320 to have your own first hand experiences as a conclusion.
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Dear @timeltel : In the case of Stanton what is hand calibrated is the cartridge motor/electrical parameters ( mainly. ) as I posted..
The calibration standard is just the chart of cartridge frequency response and separation levels chart, this is what many if not all cartridge manufacturers did it.
I have the charts from: ADC, AKG, AT, Microacustics, Micro Seiki, Signet, Elac, Goldring, Ortofon and the like.
With hand calibrated cartridges you can ( example ) be sure that both channel output levels is the same and many other things that does not happens with out that HC work.
The At is something as the same but they don’t add the hand calibrated certify.
In the AT 20SS series exist the AT 15SS and the AT 20SLa. Some one told that the SLa was the top of the line but it’s not, the one there is the 20SS and all these 3 models has diference in its specs and price:
Example: 20SS : separation: 35db and the SLa 30db when the 15SS has 33db. In other parameter as FR: 20SS is 5hz-50khz when the 15SS is 5hz-45khz.
Even the stylus replacement for the 20SS is: ATN20SS when in the SLa is ATN20 and both at the same price. In the 15SS is ATN15SS and with lower price.
Other than Stanton and AT the other manufacturer that did it the same was AKG in its P100LE that I still own .
Btw, and I already posted that in the Stanton line the best quality performer is the 981 with Pickering stylus replacement ( Sthereohedron II. ), it performs better than with the 981 original stylus due that the Stanton original cantilever/stylus holder vibrates and produce resonances that degrades the cartridge signal. The Pickering cantilever/stylus holder is way more thicker and assembled in better way that the original and you can listen the differences for the better using the Pickering one. Other terrible problem with all Stanton and shared by the Pickering is that long hair brush designed " mechanism " to work, again makes more harm than good. It does not works " firmely " as the Shure cartridge mechanism.
Can we trust absolutely in the brochures/information/advertasing of those vintage cartridge manufacturers?, not exactly in those old times the competition for the cartridge overall market was really hard and fierce for say the least because the competition was in retail price levels and all those challengers came out at the market with several models that in between one a top the next the differences in price was minimum as was the quality performance differences levels.
The challengers were: AT, Empire, Shure, Stanton, ADC, Pickering, AKG, Ortofon.
Very hard competition for the Asia, Europe and North and South America continents.
R.
Btw, """
if you can add information relating to the processes involved, """. I can't understand why you ask me for that when the true one to ask is the manufactuerr it self. I can tell you that rigth now on AT they can't tell you for sure what they did it with the 20SS. If what you are trying to say is that I'm liying that's another subject and please don't follow that " road ". Don't be to " orthodox " with vinatge way vintage cartridges.
Btw, I know that you and other gentleman in this thread bougth from the same seller the AT20SS with generic ( not original ) cantilever/stylus.
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Dear @lewm : A total confusion between you and me. Latter on I will try to explain it. I'm in a hurry rigth now.
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Dear @timeltel : This is what you posted in 2012:
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Relating to the AT20SS, Henry and I were in communication at the time, he and had both found the 20SS carts. Both of our carts were supplied with generic styli. """
Your words not mines: generic styli ".
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"" edited " because I forgot something or not explained corectly. That's all.
R. |
Dear @lewm : """
We are splitting hairs based on structural elements, testing, etc, and drawing profound conclusions from our own listening tests, but we can never know how cartridge A really compared to cartridge B when both were new and of recent manufacture. """
I said a " confusion " because I had the experiences you re-marks we don't have. Now, if you refers to have those experiences " today " then I agree with you.
Many people, maybe more that what you could think, had same experiences like me when those today vintage cartridges just seen the market ligth. Yes, with different room/system than today but as I told you I started this thread because those vintage experiences that " today " confirms the " pedigree " of those MM/MI cartridges.
Latter on from my experiences with the LPM315 I bougth a LPM320 and no contest against its little brother. Due that I bougth at least 2 315 NOS stylus replacement I tested with a NOS315 vs the LPM320 with similar results and decided to sold the LPM320. No contest, I'm not saying that the LPM320 is not good because it's but I think that in my system that handled in very good condition the bass range is here precisely where the main difference is for the better in the 315.
As you I own the M320 ( and the M315 too. ) and beats my LPM315 and you already have in NOS. Maybe time to test it.
Btw, Acutex where made by Nippon Azden. Azden made cartridges for different very well regarded market companies as Empire ( I don't know which models. ) and under its own name. Maybe you remember in this thread about its top of the line:
YM-P50VL that's a very good quality performer and only a few of us had the opportunity to bougth it in NOS condition. Excellent cartridge. Azden builded MC cartridges too, I own samples.
Other important issue with the Acutex cartridges is that the stylus were made for no less than Ogura Jewel Industry Japan. Many top LOMC cartridge came with Ogura propietary stylus shape. In the case of Acutex Ogura made it under Acutex specs.
About: imagination, I'm not refering to any of your comments/posts but other gentlemans.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @timeltel : It's weird, for say the least, that to a comment fom me your first answer was:
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A generic stylus for my AT 20SS? """
as if you were surprised of my remark about and suddenly you not only " remember " but even posted what you posted in that time and not only that but you even present something as an apolgize to your " I hold in high regard " friend after six years !!
Both of you have a common " characteristic/behavior ": forgotten in this thread to disclose ( other readers. ) that the comments were under the premise that the 20SS stylus was not original but a generic replacement. Comments really unfair for AT and that AT cartridge model for say the least.
Yes, " that's all ".
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Dear @timeltel : """ you are intentionally taking out of context a comment made seven years past. Although you navigate admirably between at leas...""" not out of context because in the last 10 days in this thread other gentleman posted something like: "" argg " against the 20SS and you don’t disclosed that what that gentleman owned was a 20SS with generic stylus. In the past in this same thread he and you between others gave the TK7Lca the " win " cartridge " title " over the 20SS and other AT models when at least both of you listen it with generic stylus. By coincidence both discussions were really hot. No, I’m not a good navigator but I have memory but just did not remember in what thread I read about that generic stylus, with out " memory " no one is so stupid to try to find out ! ! ! ? ? 10 days latter is not out of context and your surprise ( ? ) when I posted makes it’s in clear context. In the other side you are wron about one of your AT comments: """ nude Shibata on tapered al. alloy cantilever was available and so the generic was replaced. The Akai 180 is identical to the 15sa. """ with the 15Sa happens exactly the same as with the 20SLa vs AT20SS ( you can read what I posted about. ) but in its case with the 15SS where both are the same cartridge design with and shares same cantilever build material same stylus shape and same everything in its design. The only difference is in the channel separation spec that’s better in the 15SS. So it’s non-true that the 15Sa came with alluminum alloy cantilever as the Akai or the source of that information is non-precise. The 15Sa comes with beryllium cantilever as the 20SLa, 20SS and 15SS models. Here the AT source information about. Btw, the 15SS and 15Sa had the same retail price and same stylus replacement price: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/audio-technica/at15.shtml please read page 10 of the AT manual. Thank’s for your offers but a years ago I stopped to buy any MM/MI cartridges. I own or owned and listened and have to listen ( some cartridges I never listened as the ADC 26/27. ) all what I’m interestd with. Btw, do it a favor and if you own the Empire D3 then listen to it. Lovely performer: MUSIC at all. R. |
Btw, the cartridge prices for the 20’s and 15’s was the same in between models: 195.00 and 150.00
Even in those old times existed the 20S and 15S models.
Why AT had/manufactured so many " similar " models ?, just out of my mind.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIOC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R. |
Dear @timeltel : I own both D3 stylus replacements but really don't know which, if the shorter or larger cantilever, appeared first.
Maybe @travbrow that I understand have both could put some " ligth " about.
Btw, I'm just waiting when the D3 " permit " me to listen to the Azden top of the line that I remember was a very good performer and due that Azden manufactured the Acutex that are great cartridges then the Azden is " mandatory " to listen it again. We will see.
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Dear @timeltel : I hope you have good common sense and I say this because your insistence on that " aluminum cantilever " for the 20SLa and 15 Sa that you have nothing to assure your point of view ( because it's onlya point of view. ).
The stylus replacement price for the 20SS and 20Sla was exactly the same: 95.00 and the stylus replacement for the 15SS and 15Sa was exactly the same price: 70.00.
Do you think that a stylus replacement with cantilever build material as aluminum against beryllium set you back the same price? ! ! ! ???????
R.
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and if you can share your point of view about your " new " AT1100.
Could you?, thank's.
R. |
Dear @travbrow : How goes " things " with your new 2000 by Empire? do you already experienced it?
Appreciated your comments about.
R. |
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Dear @travbrow : Good that you are satisfied with.
As I told you I owned that AT 1100 tonearm and it's a true engeneering achievement with an excellent build quality and first rate quality performance.
I owned too the AT 1010 that is a superb tonearm design too and I agree that the AT tonearm " plays " in the same Technics league but AT was and is more regarded by its cartridge designs and even like you several audiophiles not even know the AT tonearms reality that I can attest: second to none.
In the other side, yes with more playing time you could have a final opinion in your 2000Z. When time comes please share here about. Thank you.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear @dimitry : The VTF for your 610LX is 1.5grs. Good luck.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
Dear friends: As a founder of this thread I always try to share all my first hand experiences to all of you with the attitude to help and that we can have more information to confirm each one experiences or know how on differents subjects. Here and in in other threads exist a mix-up about Glanz and Astatic cartridges a mix-up that started when some one of us just does not have precise and clear/pristine understand in the overall subject. Well here something I have to share to all of you: both cartridges were manufactured by Mitachi Co. but with different cartridge motors and specs that confirms that both cartridges has different designed motors. Between other gentlemans @vetterone , @harold-not-the-barrel , etc. etc are in agreement that not only have different specs but the " sound " is different too. Does not sounds the same, exist differences in between. There are reasons for those differences, first is that Astatic choosed the patented Moving Flux motor design by Mitachi but Astatic ask to Mitachi to manufactuere the Astatic design/cartridges under Astatic specific characteristics/specifications as we all can confirm in this link: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/astatic/mf-200.shtml you only have to make " click " on download and in the very first statements you can confirm it. Down there we can confirm too tht Astatic don’t use Shibata stylus shape but Parabolic ( Shibata like,not Shibata. ). The Mitachi own stylus tip shape in its top of the like is a special version of that Parabolic ( Shibata like. ) shape. Normally the Glanz came with ellipthical or line contact ( like the Astatic 2500. ) stylus shape but its top of the line special parabolic. Btw, here you can read Glanz specs where all but the G7 has different output level than the Astatic: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/glanz/cartridge-data.shtml We can read in both links another interesant spec about differences in the cartridge motor: when the inductance in the Glanz is 110 mh in the Astatic is lowe: 90mh even that the Astatic has higher output level !. This last fact speaks very well on what Astatic ask to Mitachi in the Astatic design/manufacture. Even and due to Astatic specific needs made that Mitachi obtained a new patent exclusive for Astatic. We can read here the Astatic name promoted by the Mitachi owner ( I think.? ! ? ): https://patents.google.com/patent/USD266504S/en?oq=d266504 Which are better glanz or Astatic?, does not matters and is up to each glanz and /or Astatic owner. Btw, today my favourite MM/MI cartridge type still is the extremely humble DC 26/27: just superb ! ! Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS, R. |
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Dear @travbrow : How goes " things " with your Empire 2000Z? are you satisfied. Worth to listen it?. Thank's for share it.
R. |
Dear @dimitry : Very good because as you said you have the opportunity to change the overall LP recording presentation according the quality performance levels of each cartridge.
Btw, are you loading those cartridges at 100kohms? and the ADC T4P type is mounted through and adaptor or direct plug-in in one of your tonearms?
R. |
Dear @travbrow : Well, the EDR .9 was the latest top of the line Empire cartridge that I owned two samples, yes really good performer. Empire is synonimus of very good quality performance.
So you are discovering the .9, good.
R.
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Ignorance bording beyond stupidity: "
both cartridges were manufactured by Mitachi Co. but with different cartridge motors and specs that confirms that both cartridges has different designed motors. " " vetterone, @harold-not-the-barrel , etc. etc are in agreement that not only have different specs but the " sound " is different too."" ""
first is that Astatic choosed the patented Moving Flux motor design by Mitachi but Astatic ask to Mitachi to manufactuere the Astatic design/cartridges under Astatic specific characteristics/specifications as we all can confirm in this link: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/astatic/mf-200.shtml """ """
due to Astatic specific needs made that Mitachi obtained a new patent exclusive for Astatic. We can read here the Astatic name promoted by the Mitachi owner : https://patents.google.com/patent/USD266504S/en?oq=d266504 "" "
Which are better glanz or Astatic?, does not matters and is up to each glanz and /or Astatic owner. "" R. |
From vetterone:
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All of the MF series from both Astatic and Glanz were made in Japan by the Mitachi Corporation. I can also say for sure that the Astatic/Glanz MF generators are not all the same. Well on the outside they are but the MF200/300 put out 4.2mv """
against 3.5mv in Glanz.
Other " extreme " difference is that even that the Astatic has higher output level its inductance value is smaller/lower ! ! ! than in the Glanz.
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Dear @dimitry : The real issue is that the cartridge motor/generator in Astatic and Glanz is different and that’s all.
Good that you are enjoying your 610.
R. |
The ADC 26/27 can be a good example of what I posted, this comes from the ADC thread:
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What lessons left to me?:
well, we have here not only a very old cartridge design but a cartridge with a fenomenal " motor " design with a humble plastic body ( no Titanium or the like as today top cartridge designs. ), with no boron or diamond cantilever but just a short aluminum cantilever, with not the Replicant 100 or VDH or Geyger double polished stylus shape but a humble elliptical one, with specs that are for " laughin "/ridicule vs today designs or even vintage ones, with a very very high compliance that can be a problem today, a cartridge that comes not with a " fresh " cartridge suspension but builded in the 60’s, with " ridicule " non-gold plated output pins, with no internal silver/gold wires. ! ! ! ! !
Then how could be possible that the ADC 26/27 can performs at those very high quality level perfomance to compete with today best of the best? Outstanding cartridge motor/transducer. ""
even its elliptical stylus shape is not the 0.2 x 0.7 but 0.3 x 0.7 , go figure !
Lyra can be a good example of the crucial importance of the tiny differences in its cartridge motors:
with his Titan Kleos, Etna and Atlas they have two versions, differences in between is only in its output levels, everything is the same but tiny changes in the cartridge motor and people can listen the differences in between.
R. |