Dear priso, Actually all metaphors are misleading for the simple reason that anyone is free to interpret them as he likes. The ''small wire extension'' at the end of the cantilever tube is the ''guilty object''. There are also two small srews on this tube probable meant for tension and centering of the back side of the cantilever. The end of the tension wire is glued at the end of the tube. To change the rubber ring one need to disassemble the whole tension wire construction and pull the the cantilever out in order to put a new rubber ring behind the magnet. I don't believe tha anyone can do this. So Raul should explain to us how Van den Hul acomplished this wonder. BTW we may compare appels with pears. The EPC 100 may be a different ''animal'' then EPC 205. With different ''animal'' I mean different rubber ring (grin). I am able to fix my bike but this does not mean that I can fix my BMW.. |
Dear pryso, Thanks for the explanation of Fleib's ''Mexican jumping bean cars''. I thought that he made some insulting remark about our Mexican.. Those are actually ''analogous explanations'' which started as so many other things from the old Greek, Say: ''Fleib is honest like gold or strong like iron''. But if Fleib rob a bank or seduce the wife of his best friend we feel ashemed and try to involve others by statitng: ''who would believe such things about Fleib?'' Aka: I got it wrong because everybody else also deed. BTW he (Fleib) got ''it'' wrong by quoting J. Carr about tension wire. Those are rare by MM carts but ''usual'' by MC carts. One can find those only by the more expesive MM carts. Our chakster suceed to get all things wrong. Even the pictures of the beautiful Technics are ''the other way round''. We are talking about styli and tension wire which are at the underside of both carts ..Then a re-tip is a ''different animal'' than suspension repair. To change the cantilever/stylus combo one does not need to disassemble the stylus constructon. I had the luxury to own two defective 205 styli so I could afford to disassebmle one of them in order to satisfy my curiosity about tension wire. I see that our pryso is also inquisitive guy so my suggestion is to do the same. By disassembling his 205 he may discover a second small screw in the tube in which the cantilever is fastened with this ''damn tension wire''.
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Dear Fleib, Because of chakster I am reluctant to use the phrase ''you are wrong''. But If I would dare I would say that you are (again) wrong with what J. Carr has actually stated about tension wire by MM carts as well with your childish excuse ''it was her decision''. For such statement one need to be married otherwise nobody will believe such statement. BTW why should you need excuses? You pretend to always tell the truth so there is no need, in your case, to make excuses. Except of course if chakster feels insulted by some of your ''poetic remarks''. You may even explain to him in lyrical way the ''art of teasing''.
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Dear Raul, As far as I know you was Axel's customer for years. But you got a conflict about one of his bills and that is why you needed to search for some other re-tipper. BTW you was Van den Hul's customer before Axel. You was also customer by Peter. Why then deed you chose for Axel? Now about his cantilevers and styli. Axel can deliver fine line, two kinds of Shibata and even Gyger II . One can get boron as well beryllium cantilever. So much about ''low quality'' of his styli and cantilevers. |
Dear Fleib, My intention was to confess that you are, alas, always right. In Axel's case you are wrong. The comical part of Rauls story is that they both informed me about their conflict. So I know all the details but as a Serbian gentlemen try to avoid gossip. Anyway the reason they, say, parted was not the quality of Axel's parts or his work. The most of my re-tips by Axel are with fine line pressure fitted in aluminum alloy cantilever. I also have two boron cantilevers while my comrad Don could afford the beryllium. Kowing your sensitivity regarding cantilevers I can assure you that his boron cantilevers are much better than the present kind used by, say, Lyra or Benz. I see that you like gossip in contradistinction to me but I need to correct you. It is not the bucher but the baker who is the source of all Axel's styli. |
Dot's and commas. I was wondering about the question what kind of people get made when other people use dot's instead of commas or the other way round? My other question is what kind of life such persons have if they get angry about such silly questions'? Fleib declared Axel for a nitwit because he wrote a comma between129 euro and 50 cent. Aka 129,50. From this he concluded that Axel asked 129 K for the Denon in question.. I think he should first check Wikipedia and learn that English and German use of those signs is different. As one say : ''The Devil's in the Details''. So much for someone who pretend to be always right. |
Dear R., As anyone knows those ''rubber rings'' can harden or soften as function of time. AKG is a dramatic example of using wrong suspension. They closed the cart production department because of this blunder. Ikeda and Jan Alearts are the opposite examples.. I have never heard any complaints about their suspension. The 205 series rubber ring obviously softened during the time since their production and this explains ''low riding''. You obviously have no problem with ''low riders'' but other have. That is why they try to do something about that while some member even asked your advice about possible cure. You advised Van den Hul suggesting the illusion that he Van den Hul does such repairs. Van den Hul owns 5 companies and spend 6 months a year in Ukraine. By Van den Hul one has no idea who deed the actual repair. In my ignorance I stated that those 205 carts are irreparable. I disassembled my mk 3 stylus and have seen that changing the rubber ring is not possible. You of course know better because you deed this yourself? Now regarding my indiscretion about your and Axel conflict. I deed not mention any details because of confidential character of this ussue. But your ''shame of you'' reprimand give me the legitimation to disclouse the details. The bill in question was $ 6000. Who would order whatever ''refreshment'' for his carts for such amout of money if one does not trust the the other party in the contract? You should not start this dispute with me with your knowledge of the real situation . But you are obviously not capable to avoid disputs and conflicts. And, you know, I consider Axel as a friend of my but not you.
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Dear chakster, We agree at last about something. I was not sure about ''my'' 2 mm but you confirmed that I was right (grin). Anyway what we want is the stylus to trace the groove and not the body to plough the grooves. According to me you have a problem while according to Raul you don't. Our hobby is unthinkable without dilemmas but your dilemmas are your problem. I myself am unable to listen to any lowrider because I have the very strong urge to constantly check the mentioned distance (grin). To me this is not the right way to enjoy music. . |
Mexican oracle and lowriders. I assume that any member in our forum has at least some idea about ''optimal VTF''. This is the first parameter which we try to adjust. The most people will follow recommendation in the user manual , other will use test records with tracking ability test and start with, say, 60 microns ''pure'' and then adjust the rest by listening, etc. We all know that about 1,5 g is used for the MM and about 2 g for the MC kinds. Those are ''avarage values'' mentioned as a kind of introduction to the problem of lowriders. If lowriders are a problem that is. According to me this is a problem .To be more precise the problem is the rubber suspension which weakend or got softened as function of time. According to Raul I am the problem and not the suspension. Because of my ignorance I am not able to ''grasp'' that there is no problem called ''low riders''. Well ignorance is a neccesary condition for learning while we all seem to have our own ''learning curve''. Because of this ''learning curiosity'' we may like to know what the ''optimal VTF'' is for the lowriders? According to chakster there is no ''optimal VTF'' but something we can call ''optimal distance''. The distance between the cart body and the record . We want to prevent for some reasons that nothing else except the stylus touches the record. His beloved 205, mk 4 got from him a distance of 2mm . If I remember. well. What then about the optimal VTF? Well if this force was possible there would be no problem with his 205,mk4. That this is not the case is obvious because he asked Raul for advice. He got advice to post his cart to Van den Hul . But why if lowrider is not a problem? Obviously because of double standars in Mexico. I got advice to learn and improve my ignorance chakster got advice to spend money without any indication about the result. By Van den Hul one need to pay ''some money'' in advance. Neither Axel nor Andy were able to do anything to cure my 205 , mk 3 suspension for which Axel charged nothing and Andy $100. We in Holland need to pay 250 euro in advance to our dealers in order to get our carts to ''Van den Hul shop''.
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Dear chakster, I think that you are very optimistic with your claim to have made it '' clear for everyone'' how tension wire in your 205 MK 4 looks like. For those who already know how this ''tube'' with tension wire inside looks like it may be clear that the end of the tension wire at the end of the tube can be seen. This is the original state which means that no changes are made by this tension wire. The suspension is the ''other animal''. Aka the rubber ring which determins the so called ''compliance''. Because this rubber ring softened or weakened we get lowrider phenomenon. My thesis was that all 205 versions have this, say, weakness or drawback. However I have no idea about Technics 100c mk3 . So my general statment about 205 does not apply for 100 c . Only if this model also has the same rubber ring as the 205 versions this may be the case. The cantilever by 205 version is glued in the front side of the (round) magnet and tension wire at the back side of the same magnet. The rubber ring is fastened just behind this magnet. So to change the rubber ring tension wire need to be removed such that the cantilever with magnet and rubber ring can be pulled out. Axel and Andy were not able to do this . If Axel could he would certainly do this for his friend Nandric. But alas . What he deed with your 100 c I have no idea. But if he fixed your 100 c but was not able to fix my 205, mk 3 then those are probable two different animals. |
Hi jpjones3318, Welcome by the sub-members part assumed to be ignorant..Those should be not allowed to make general statments while yours is even more general than my. In my modesty I limited my statment to 205 kind. That is ALL 205 kinds. I also see that you like short, clear and strong way to express your thoughts. However I hate abbreviations for the simple reason that I can't remember them. So ''what the hell'' does TTDD mean? Besides I am sure that you will get reprimand from our oracle from Mexico for the expression ''failure''. Have you overlooked his ''general statement'' about ''lowriders''? Only the ignorant have this problem because there is no such problem. Now your question. I am not Hegelian but like his theory about the ''opposits'' and even more his ''the opposits of the opposits''. Well hardened or, as other prefer to say, ''dry out'' suspensions are the opposit of the ''soft one''. If any of my carts can't reach 50 microns tracking ability my psychology refuse to use such a cart. As you can see I am the opposit of you regarding the way of writing or, which the same, expressing myself.. As a lawyer I can't afford your (short) way ... The case with Andy. The case is that Andy lives in the neighbourhood of my comrade Don from Idaho. In our private corrspondence we call each other ''brother''. Well dispite of this fact Don recommended Andy to me. The other ''case'' is that Don become intermediary this way. I needed to pay postage to him , then his postage to Andy, then the postage of Andy to him as well Don's postage back to me. I think this happened one year or so ago. I forget alas the postage costs (too many variables) but am sure about those $100. If you have seen this ''clear for everyone'' picture of our ''brother'' chakster you probably noticed the, say, ''tail'' of the tension wire by his 205,mk 4 . My mk 3 is much lesser as kind but has the same ''tail''. Well both , Axel and Andy messed with this ''tail'' probably with the intention to tighten the tension wire. Alas there seems to be no connection with the real problem which is the rubber ring. The most MC carts have this damn ''tension wire'' but if the rubber ring is the cause of the problem then this ring need to be changed. Well this seems to be the usual practice. Now speaking of ''generality'' in general. This practice can be also subsummed (aka ''included'') by the most general expression used in our forum: ''refreshment''. |
Dear Comradicule Fleib, Why do you assume that I as a foreigner can understand your ''twisted English''? Is this the consequence of American imperialitic ambitions? Have you ever seen Chinese or Japanese English? Do you understand the expression ''mercy''? You should write in ''plain English'' such that even Mexicans can understand what you are talking about. No wonder you have so many disputes with our Mexican.
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Addendum. Well speaking about Raul I forget to mention his other general expression ,namely ''distortions''. His ''refreshment'' and ''distortions'' are all we need. for better understanding of our hobby. For all carts problems the solution is their ''refreshment''. Alas there is no solution for distortions but this expression can help us to understand the problems. What we need in addition is a kind of vivisection or elaboration in sub- distortion kinds such that we can ask each other: ''what kind of distortions do you like''? It is obvious that we need more than one in order to answer this question. |
Hi jpjones3318, Thanks for your eloquent and exact explanation. In my Hegelian approach with those ''opposits'' there are ''dampers'' which are defective and those which are ok. The most people make this distinction. Those things which are not ok are assumed to be defective. However the philosoper among us will try to make more differentiate distinctions for, as this is called, ''sake of argument''. This way we get more in between differentiations such that nobody can say which is which in Hegelian sense. This is called ''political correctness''. at present. My remarks in my response to Fleib about Chinese, Japanese and Mixicans are typical examples of the , uh, the opposite. So you will I hope understand that .can't agree with your ''degrees of failure''. This way my dear ...jones... the concept of guilt and wrong doing will be lost (grin). |
Hi all, We exchange our opinions as well our experience.. This is the sense of our forum. Is there one single person in our forum who got the suspension of his 205 fixed? If so this person should name the ''re-tipper'' who performed this wonder. Chakster and jpjones are obvious admirer of those Technics carts and spend much money to obtain them. We all have our own ''champions'' for which we search and try to get willing , of course, to spend much money to get them. But if we were warrned by our co-members that our ''champion'' has serious shortcoming we would prevent not only loosing money but also our disappointment. Who is not able to imagine the ''euphoria'' to have at last obtained this rare 205,mk 4 ? One can as easylly imagine the frustration and disappointment with ''colapsed suspension''. Should chakster not wait till such person ''disclose'' himself instead to pay those ''charges in advance'' without any idea about the outcome? |
Hi chakster, One need to read your post very careful. Otherwise one would ask: ''why is he asking advice about some possible retipper for his 205,mk 4 when he already knows the right person?'' Aka Alex. Well you made the distinction between ''only suspension'' versus ''cantilever/suspension combo''. Assuming boron for the cantilever + shibata we are talking about 500 euro. ''Only suspension'' is probably not an ''economical proposition''. As I wrote Axel deed not charge me for my 205, mk3 but he deed not fix the suspension. From this I concluded that he was not able to fix the suspension. My added reason was that Andy was also not able to fix the suspension. I assume that you assume different charges for ''only suspension'' and that is why you ask for other opportunities. I usualy speak with Alex by phone because he has no time to read emails. I will ask why ''some chakster'' got better treatment than his friend Nandric (grin). |
Dear chakster, I grow up in a socialistic/communistic country and learned from comrad Lenin that ''knowledge means power''. From this extended so called ''Raul's thread'' I learned that knowledge means ''profit''. All carts ''of the month'' which I sold I sold with profit.. I am not sure what bread or meat cost but know the prices of unbelievable many cartridges.. From Axel I learned years ago that Foxtan is his customer even better than Raul (grin). So I never bought anything from Foxtan. I am not sure if savings is equvalent to profit but ''it'' feels the same.way. Looking at those prices which Dominic charges I feel like a rich guy. Many of my carts I got for less money , carts which don't need any fixing or repair. Thanks to my knowledge about cart prices. However I still think that you are confused regarding the distinction between suspension and tension wire. This is the force of language. The most people think that ''meaning'' and reality are the same. However languge is , as Raul is used to say '' in one side'' and reality ''in the other side''. The names are supposed to refer to ''objects'' on the other side such that every name needs a bearer. Consider the sense of attributing properties to not existing beings. Only kids will believe that their uncle Don or Nikola hunted unicorns in Africa or have riden the hors with wings named Pegasus. I think that expression ''tension'' in ''tension wire'' causes this confusion. Now to end with a comical note. For Diminics prices you can buy a ''new 205,mk 4'' and get an whole collection of those remarcable carts all with suspension problems. I fear that your ''brother John'' already owns such a collection. |
Some P&R for my friend Axel. As a kind of intriduction I need to state that all cart manufacturers as well as re-tippers depend from their supplier for the needed parts. If those Japanese producers of styli and cantilevers have a monopoly position they can charge what they like for their parts as well select their customers. Axel told me that they increased their prices with 100 % without any consultation. He needed to increase his prices and was very much disturbed because of that. BTW for comparison sake with Dominic's prices he charge for an EMT rubber ring 180 euro. That is what I paid for my EMT DTS 15. Nobody is willing to deliver coils to him. So Axel invented his own solution. He buys second hand carts as donor for the carts of his customers. That is how he fixed the Dyna of my ex-compatriot Chris from Canada. My own Sony XL 88 D will be fixed in the same way . Despite Mori san statement that this cart is irreperable. Mori san make those Jico SAS styli for Jico while my brother Don got this info from his acquantance by Jico. To reduce the amount of work he was confronted with he sold the B&O part of his company to his assistent. This part ''consumed'' the half of his working time such that from 1 April he can spend all his time for other carts. This imply shorter waiting time for us. |
Dear Fleib, I think that you substituted ''Britain rules the waves'' for ''America rules the waves''. The so called ''intellectual propery'' includes many things among which also the pantent law. In Europe we have a kind of common patent law but elsewhere the rule is anybody on its own. The problem is not so much the legislation but the implementation. Think of Japanese ''innovations'' which were actually imitations of Western products. What deed America then? The same as at present against China: protest. One can implement American laws in America but not in China. What I can do ''to free up the stilus business"? Well I wrote 4 emails to Ogura and Namiki asking kindly if they would be so kind to sell their ''micro ridge'' styli to my friend Axel but never got any response. J.Carr who provided their addresses warned me only about their English. .. Well I warned you about your English but don't see any result (grin). |
Hi kcc 123, I used the more general term ''not economical proposition'' for the re-tippers to spend so much time in order to fix the suspension. One need to first remove the tension wire to get the cantilever/magnet/ rubber ring out. This is the only way in order to exchange the rubber ring. But when this is done the reverse procedure is needed. Getting the tension wire back and then centering and tighteining this wire. No wonder Mr. Peng needed the whole day to fix the suspension. I agree with my comrade Fleib that Chinese are capable to produce whatever they want. They must have ''optical industry'' because of their military ambitions. Our problem is to find out who produces styli and cantilevers. Those are usualy sold as combos. Andreoli who learned the trade by brothers Bross in Australia mentioned that he was able to change cantilever/stylus combo in 5 minutes time..I have no idea how many styli or cantilever/styli combos the re-tippers need or keep in their stock. From this amount it will depend if their demand is interesting for the (Chinese) producer. I also agree with Fleib's assumption that cart producers have a better negotiation position. |
Dear chakster, You should not think with your amigdale but with your frontal lobe. Otherwise Raul will question your ''learning curve''. BTW he was very happy with your confirmation of his theory that ''low riders'' don't exist. You stated that your 205. mk 4 ''sounds fine''. Why than are you asking for address of Mr.Lau Sang? As Mr. Sang stated he needed an whole day to fix kcc's suspension. Even with Chinese wages this would imply ''mucho dollars'' . Besides his first attempt was probably caused by his curiousity and not by his intention to earn money by fixing 205 series suspensions. Even more confusing is your earlier statment that Axel fixed your ''cantilever/suspension'' problem already. Why should you then prefer an unknown Chinese above an known German? |
Dear chakster, The Germans have this saying: ''Wein , Weiber und Gesang'' (wine, women and music). So your invitation to drink some wine and compare cartridges together looks to me very attractive. At my age the ''third party'' is, alas, not very probable, but one never knows in advance. However I hope that your invitation does not imply ''comparing the low riders''? I already stated: ''don't mess with 205 series''. This position would be contradictory with ''comparing the low riders'' even if your wine is for free. |
Dear chakster, I just got an nude shibata ''married'' with an boron cantilever for 600 euro. I think that I would be much cheaper out in ''your bar''. I at last found what I was looking for all this time. 4 exceptional MC carts. To listen to whatever else looks to me as a waste of time . Considering my age that is (grin). To keep all those carts in my cabinet is senseless but by selling them other can enjoy them. |
Dear chakster, I hate all nomenclature of the cart manufacturers. The reason is my memory. For each , say, AT cart I need to ask my brother Don for information. He is like our Professor in this regard. I don't believe that I mentioned Bonetti as Italian importer (?). I got 2 of those ''Azzurra'' from my Italian friend (dealer) Valerio. One for my brother Don the other for me. But I never try this cart because of my prejudice against conical styli. From the user manual which was/is included by my MFG 31 L I would say that Azzurra is MFG 11R . BTW I lost any interest in MM carts and try to get rid of them. If you are willing to pay for the postage you can get my Azzurra for free ( nikola et andric dot com) My assumption is that (nearly) all Glanz carts have the same generator but different styli and complience. So if Jico produces Glanz/ Astatic styli one can make a ''decent'' cart from this Azzurra (grin). |
Dear chakster, Logic and hobby seldom coincide. So while I lost interest in MM carts I am still curious about them in a kind of abstract way. Despite my membership and participation in the MM thread since 2007 I have never heard about this Pioneer PC 1000. So I checked your story. You ''forget'' to mention the price. For 400 euro, my dear chakster, one can get at present even an decent MC cart (grin). |
This remind me about Peter who was always complaining about his shoes. ''What is wrong with them?'' question was answered with: ''they are too small''. ''But why don't you buy bigger shoes?'' ''Well it feels so good whan I take them off''. Why should anyone buy MM carts which need 100K Ohms while his phono-pre has only 47 K Ohms ? Our Lew has no time to listen to his cart collection (the most are virginal) because he is soldering resitors back and fort all the time (grin). |
Dear chakster, You are an very fast learning novice but I must confess not to have expected to learn whatever from you. Typical prejudice. In science all sources are welcom and there are no privileged kinds. My prejudice has probaly something to do with the diffrence between the ''old members'' and the ''new one''. The older kind assumes some privileges in relation to the youngsters. Anyway Raul should be proud about your ''learning curve''. I was not sure what to think about those SUT's despite the lessons I got from Dertonarm and other persons belonging to the so called ''German groep''. I was scared by the proposition to buy a specific SUT for every MC cart that I own (about 40). I have heard about this new Pope Salvatore but was not very much impressed with his opinions. But now that I own one SUT my perspective changed. I started to like the guy. I like every person who is praising my stuff. Anyway thanks for the reference. |
Well I owned both but our hearing memory is not realiable. So I have only indirect ''proof''. I sold the MK 1 but kept the MK 2. Either because the Mk 2 looks better or sounds better. |
Hi florence4, If the devil is in the details then Raul is right. My X1,mk2 is Victor without prefix ''JVC''. However our member Don(Griffiths) made the real discovery. Namely the Victor Z-1 S with Jico SAS stylus. According to me nearly as good as the MK2. According to Don , Fleib (?) and some Aussie(?) as good as the MK2. This means an top MM cart for cheap. My sample is available for the price of the SAS stylus. I prefer MC kinds and keep only the real top of the MM kinds. |
Dear Florence, As you can see the price does not matter for Raul. That is probably why we have not seen one single new cart from him since he come back to this thread as well why he is selling his whole collection of carts. He is an expert in double moral. |
Raul was ''of course'' the first who mentioned Victor X1 , sorry, JVC-Victor X1 . But it took me two years to find one. The price was $600. To put this in some kind of context I will tell you the story about my dad. He asked the farmer for the price of 1 kg tomatoes. ''1$ was the answer ''. My dad: ''you probably think that I am Rockefeller''. Well the SAS stylus may be lesser then Victor's X1 but in combo with Z-1 its price is nearly as cheap as those tomatoes (grin). For those who are not Rockefellers this may be an intersting proposition. Thanks to my comrad Don that is. Raul discovered the JVC X1, Don discovered Z-1 / SAS combo. |
Hi florence4, I mentioned Z-1 SAS stylus but those are not anymore produced. The new Jico is ''neo SAS'' with sapphire cantilever while the old one was boron. The stylus should be the same because ''SAS'' is the sign for their stylus shape. |
''Brands'' or ''trademarks'' belong to the so called ''intellectual property'' which is registered and protected according to the ''national laws''. My Basis Exclusive for example has different ''brand name'' in Germany than abroad. The more dramatic example is the old Kondo san who made an (gentleman?) agreement with some British company which registered his trademark ''Audio Note'' in the UK and still produces its own stuff under Kondo's brand name. Some think that Kondo san die premature because of this theft. So, obviously, the names ''VICTOR'' and/or ''JVC'' are connected with this ''international problem''. |
Dear jpjones3318, Nice way out but alas. ''Most'' and ''nearly all'' are like two eggs. Anyway logicaly there is no diffrence between them. But I think that ''our quantifiers'' (most and nearly all ) are sufficient warning for our co members. Except for chakster ? |
Dear chakster, You won the dispute with Nandric, congratulation! That is to say according to the modern logic of quantification. I stated that ALL 205 versions have defective suspension. Well according to logic if one sample is ok than the whole statement is false. I should use the quantifier MOST instead for which there is no logical rule. However the fact that you sold all your 205mk4 and 100mk3 is suspect because those belong to the best MM carts ever made. If you are sporty you should mention the real reason why you sold them. |
Dear chakater, I use the same method since I become member in 2007. So how could I blame you for the same sin? However with MM carts I usually made some profit while with MC carts the situation is very different. I need to accommodate to losing money instead of making profit (grin). My personal tragedy is that I prefer MC carts. I wish I was like you and Halcro (?) . My other probem is that I got used to the MC prices and have serious difficulty to sell my best MM carts for prices bellow $500. So I am ''forced'' to keep them despite the fact that I don't use them. What a hobby do we have? This looks more like suffering than enjoyment (grin). |
jpjones, I retipped more as 20 MC carts and just one MM cart. All of them by my friend Axel. Why just one MM cart? Well I checked how this is done. A new cantilever/stylus combo is glued on the remainder of the original cantilever and that is all. I have no idea how the suspension of the MM carts can be fixed. Look at the thing and imagine how this can be done. So my strategy by MM carts was either a new stylus or don't bother. This is different by the MC carts. All of them have the so called ''joint pipe'' on which coils , suspension and cantilever are fastened (aka ''glued''). One can see that behind those ''exotic cantilevers''' an ''aluminum tube'' is connected with this ''joint pipe''. Anyway the whole ''generator'' can be disassembled and put together afterwards. The only problem are the coils. If those are defective it is very difficult to fix them. That is why the most retippers refuse to repair them. My, say ''chakster strategy'' was to buy defective MC carts for cheap and then post them to Axel for retip. Afterwards I was able to chose either to keep them or sell them . Or so I thought. That is how I got +40 MC carts and have no idea what to do with them. Selling those carts is not as easy a I thought. Besides those retips become shameless expensive at present. |
Dear chakster, learning from experience or rather from our errors imply not to repeat the same faults. You are probably not aware that you are repeating Raul's ''carts of the year''. Searching for those was an frustrating experience. I needed two years to find this damn JVC , X1 . The curious thing is the fact, or rather despite this fact that I collected + 40 MM carts while I always prefered the MC kind. Not to stay behind was the obvious reason. The common curiousity of all those ''carts of the year'' was the (nearly) imposibility to find them. If we understand your post as recommendation then you should also inform us where those carts can be find. "Us'' is meant as the way of speaking. I am busy to get rid of my MM carts. |
Dear Chakster &Fleib, One need some running start in order to jump. We all learned from Raul's thread by imitation but after some time when we ''grasped'' all the involved skills we started our own ''hunting''. You are the typical example while you already got my compliment of being the fastest student in our forum. As you know Raul hardly recommended any MC cart so I was on my own in search for those. The MM adventure was (nearly) for free if one was fast with ''jumping'' (grin). Actually I made some profit by (re)selling MM carts and needed to accept ''some loss'' with my MC adventure. So (Fleib) I obviously can afford something or other. How about you and Raul? Raul, say, nr. 1 spend huge amount of money for those ''carts of the week'' but we have seen hardly any from Raul nr.2 (the one who come back). So Chakster is his legitimate succesor. However one need to invest for the glory as both Raul and Chakster demonstrate(d). I don't believe that Chakster's ''hunting'' is over so we will see more discoveries. ''The king is dead long live the King!''
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Dear Fleib, Your explanation is consistent with Klyne's assumptions by his 7 PX 3,5 RIAA phono-preamp. His filters to dampen high frequency resonaces he calls ''h.fr. contour'' while the choice is for 15,20,30,35 and 40 Khz. BTW there are 4 amplification choices from 37 , 50, 63 and 67 dB. What is more he made adjustment recommendations for 26 MC carts with impedance of either 1000 or 47 K ohms. I was used to follow Scheafer (ASR Basis Exclusive) with the ''rule'' of 10 x the cart impedance. The problem with those damn adjustments is that one is never sure . So instead to listen to the music one is continuous thinking about adjustments. I think that my Greek brother become desprate because of this uncertainty. In my case my own lazines is my salvation. |
I own the 20 CL and 6000. The 6000 is the only B&O with berylium cantilever and ''unbelievable'' technical performance. Next to this adapter B&O produced an headshell with the same in-klik provision as by the adapter. However there are no other adjustment possibilites while the headshell is too short . The intriguing question is how is it possible that the same company which produced such delicate carts can produce such worthless ''connectors''. |
Hi bimasta, You should ask Raul about specifics regarding AKG carts. He knows the most about them. He also owns the best ever AKG which is produced in very limited numbers. I am not aware that those have any suspension problem. Alas those are impossible to get second hand. |
AKG closed its cart production and destroyed their whole stock of carts and parts in order to avoid liabilty . The suspension material was not resistant to environmemental influences so there are hardly any samples without defective suspension. However Axel Schurholz, the well known retipper , offered repair for some of the AKG versions. While I still own 3 samples of those AKG's I never try Axel's offerings. Van den Hul styli which were used for the ''top AKG's'' are only available by Van den Hul who does not offer repair for AKG 's. However Gyger styli are identical with Van den Huls because those are(were) made by Gyger. Axel's price for the Gyger 2 is around 500 euro. This explains my reluctance to mess with AKG.
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Hi bimasta, While I think that Raul is very sensitive for flattering he is even more interested in demonstrating his knowledge and believe in distortions. So it should not matter if he likes you or not . The paradox is the amount of contributions in his own thread. He can't react at all of them. Even the Mexican needs some sleep. |
Dear Fleib, ''It's interesting to compare properties of the various cantilevers now available''. J. Carr was talking in general about properties relevant for the cantilevers. I.e. about advantages and disadvantages of different mateials. In this context he stated that the advantage of aluminum (alloy) is the fact that the stylus can be pressure fitted while in all other the stylus must be glued. However all cart producers are dependant from styli/cantilever producer which are very few at present. As you mentioned so often in the 80is much more superiour cantilevers were produced then at present. Not only (tubed) beryllium but also ''tubed'' boron pipes were made. Neither is available at present. One can see variations of sapphire cantilevers but Carr deed not like them. He deed not like how they sound but should also have objective reasons in the sense of properties reg. the question why. I , for example, noticed that he uses the same boron/stylus combo as Benz by LP S and Ruby 3. I own many MC from the 80is with thiner cantilevers than at present available. The paradox is then that we see astronomical prices for carts with mediocre cantilevers. |
Hi chakster, The Azzura is ordered by Glanz but there is no reference to any Glanz model. However I own the manual provided by my Glanz 31 L. According to which the most versions have the same generator. That is to say that the only difference is the stylus and complience. You can try the stylus of your 31 l in the Azzura and ''see'' if you can hear any difference. I got two samples from my Italian friend Valerio for free. My comrade Don got one and you the other as present. I never tested this one because I owned all Glanz top carts. |
Van den Hul never produced any stylus. But he deed design 3 kinds for Gyger and ''obviously'' stipulated by contract the right to sell them under his own brand name. However we have never heard about Van den Hul I, II and S while Gygers are so marked. The first two (I &2) were difficult to produce (aka ''polish'') so the they settled on the ''S'' . Benz used the ''S'' for a ong time byt recently moved to the ''micro ridge'' while, as far as I know, Allearts still uses the ''S''. The ''Gyger story'' was told in the German Magazine ''LP''. Van den Hul desribed his styli dimensions elswhere . I am not impressed by the styli shapes. Anyway I am not able to ''deduce'' enything from this , say, ''criterion''. I am very fond of FR-7 kinds the most of which have conical stylus. I am also very impressed by Andreoli's Magic Diamond which is also provided with conical stylus. Then I own Sony XL 88 and 44 L which use ''super elliptical'' (Raul is very fond of the 44 btw) . Then I own different Kiseki's (the Blue, the Silverspot and the Goldspot) which all use ''super elliptical''. And last but not least the Miyabi Standard with aluminum cantilever while I have no idea nor do I care what kind of stylus this one has. |
Dear chakster, I checked my sample for comparisson sake and found your first test as separate document included in the box while your second measuring example is included in the user manual. The output of my sample is: 3,4 mV L.channel and 3,2 mV R. channel. In the user manual both channels are ''idendical'': 3,3 mV. So there are obvious deviations in output which are not expressed in dB's but in mV. This may implay the need for an Left-Right volume ''regulator'' which is seldom to find in a phono- pre but well in (some?) pre-amps. |
Why should any manufacturer produce MM carts for other load than 47 K which all MM phono-pres use? This make no sense to me. On the other side there are many people who like to experiment in the hope to ''improve'' the sound of their carts by changing the load. In order to justify their efforts they then invent ''improvements''.
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Hi chakster, I should check in advance instead of afterwards (grin). See Raul's post from 01-22-2013. Back then this Precept was Raul's reference MM cart. |
