Maybe millercarbon or mahgister will take them off our hands.
By the way dont assimilate my way with someone else, anybody, to ridicule me and dont speak using my name in my back out of an answer to some precise post by myself....I will NEVER use your name out of an answer to you for the sake of ridiculizing you, like you in your last post ....Imitate me, it is called elementary politeness... My answer now: Some think that a 10,000 dollars equalizer is vastly superior to my few bucks embeddings controls devices... They ridicule my listenings experiments and devices and called them pejoratively "tweaks", forgetting i created them myself or bought only the more low cost electronic pieces, Schuman Generators at 10 bucks for example, and modifying them for my needs...I never bought or recommend branded name and ready made products... I only recommend CREATIVITY.... They laugh at me.....Without knowing for example the limitations of their ready made, without the human ears, pricely electronic equalizer solutions...They are useful yes, BUT only stay, whatever some can say, limited and partial solutions... Where you put the mic, that is where the measure is taken...And how do you measure with a microphone the very audible effects of a Schuman Generator or a ionizer? And how do you manage it for many simultaneous listenings locations in your room? My ears can at no cost....The difference is that you dont know that your ears can also like mine do the job, but you are able to pay for a ready made solution, i am not, i then use my ears like a compass.... This people with their 10,000 bucks products smile at one guy who transform totally his room for peanuts... Who is ridiculous then ? The one who tried before using his mouth or the one who dogmatically affirm something about a device he will never listen to before giving a judgement? I cannot be accused of selling costly tweaks, i replicate them at the price of a few peanuts jars... And i know WHY and HOW these costly device may work by my own experiments...I never recommended to someone COSTLY ready made product like you Mijostyn your E.Q. device...And i dont attack people either with laws of science or not....E.Q. costly device or costly "tweaks" it is the same thing for me...My road is peanuts costs HI-FI.... An Example now: Few years ago i read about the Bybee room enhancer costing many thousands dollars... The fabrication of this device is secret but there is a description where they say it is made with some crystals and probably some battery etc... I replicate that myself with success.... It is not the same thing, but the increase in S.Q. for peanuts versus many thousand dollars for the Bybee were enough to convince me... And so was my listenings experiments story for some years with many other retro engineer simple devices... Another example: my "golden plate" cost peanuts and replace very more costly products very well known that cost many thousand dollars...I NEVER BOUGHT ONE.... Who is ridiculous me or those speaking about "tweaks" they never replicate or never listen to? Because their audio system cost 50,000 bucks in some case how in the hell can they justify the S.Q. increase of cardboard paper and aluminium paper glued at the right spot? 😁 It does not matter if a "tweaks" work or not in our system or for ourself, or even if it does not work at all, the fool is not someone who make a wrong decision; the fool expresses himself without any experience of what he is talking about and call it a law of acoustic or anything else...Acoustical art and science has limitations for which the human ears dont give a dam.... The only problem with most tweaks, it is not they dont work, most work in the right condition to some level, it is their high price that is the "problem", their ratio S.Q. increase/ price.. A device who does not work at all will take no or very few flying reviews in any market....Save a miraculous sums of reviewrs lies....That is not the rule sorry... Only exception...A pile of bullshit will never give you big money, a few bucks perhaps, except in some western movie with a witch doctor selling you his"snake oil" for a few dollars..... I will keep my peanuts costs efficient device and i will laugh the last laugh at those credulous technological fads who think they are right by virtue of advanced technology and who trust more a device than their own ears in a room created for their ears... A n equalizer is only a tool, not a complete solution of the acoustical settings of a room at all... I dont need it now, because for the price paid the improvement will be marginal... If the piano is in the room and the sound dont come of the speakers at all, in not one, but 2 different positions of listenings, with natural timbre, no need for a costly small increase of S.Q. « Ignorance is precisely what you think you know or see, you can call it at best the blind spot, or at worst, a pair of blinders»- Anonymus Smith after consulting his ophtalmologist |
Great remarks.... It is called the acoustical properties of the varied content of a room....
For me there is 3:
Acoustical properties of the material content walls included.
Geometry (form of the room and proportion)
Topology (numbers of windows and number of doors and their location)
These 3 factors DECIDED what the sound of an untreated room will be like.... More than the branded name of your chosen amplifier and on par if not more so than your specific speakers...
Add to the impact of the acoustical embeddings of an audio system, the impact of an untreated electrical grid, and the impact of unimpeded vibrations and other mechanical factor like resonance...
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These are the right questions to ask.... Judgement without trials or by the book are not enlightened process.... |
Between these two main things this thread suggest to me: 1-The rethorical often non sensical marketing discourse associated with costly audiophile products, which may or may not be effective to some degree, which only a listening experiments can determine, 2-The sarcasm created around a product that someone has NEVER use in his own setting,but nevertheless condemn, between these two elements, i myself hesitate to choose which should be quantified as being the highest on the scale of stupidity... I will ask for help M. Carlo Cipola, an italian economist, that has written the best book ever about stupidity... (You can read it free on the internet ) A very brief summary coming from wikipedia: «These are Cipolla’s five fundamental laws of stupidity: - Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
- The probability that a certain person (will) be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
- A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
- Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
- A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.»
Then with the help of my clairvoyant economist friend, i will suggest to all to read attentively many times point number three...
i will myself said only that: we cannot judge a product only by the marketing discourse around it, or from his seemingly "exagerated" price, we must try it to be sure...
Concluding to the uselessness of a product in spite of our own ignorance of the product on the basis of our lecture of his marketing text and price is unfair...Extrapolating this to ALL other "strange" audiophile products is more than unfair...
I am sorry, but i dont like crowd unanimity toward a victim of choice, being it an individual, or a trade mark product...Except for recognized murderers or recognized pile of trash product....
I concur with the OP that the price of some product are ridiculous or seems so to me also and the explanation around the product non sensical in many case...
Anyway, i never buy them, in some case tough i replicated or inspired myself with them with astonishing success....
The question then of the real value of a product is ANOTHER whole other thing than the publicity explanation around it; confusing the 2 is misleading to say the least...Acoustic in particular is very complex subject...I know it by my own experiments in my own room...
Trying to be wise myself i will not judge without trying...Or i will say: i dont trust this product by my "hunch" BUT i dont know it really ....This will be wise....Bashing all products indicriminately together without knowing them in a thread is not my politic in an audio forum...
By the way i tried myself at peanuts cost many acoustical devices of my own, and i am almost sure that this too costly product called Hallograph can gives results... Is it worth the price? It is another question, the same amount of money does not have the same value for 2 people....
Judging too swiftly and unwisely can produce someone else losses, this company losses for example, but mocking a product without knowing it ourself by experience can be OUR lost about something important in acoustical embeddings controls that we will miss to learn about by the force of our own prejudices......
All seemingly "silliest" audio products are not all of them scams....
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the Hallographs really do work - and very well. I am not surprized at all and this device inspired my own experiments.... Anybody with attentive normal ears can listen to sometimes minute modification of S.Q. with changes in geometry ( form of the room) topology (Doors and windows) and acoustical properties of different materials added or substracted from his room... Anyway who can sell many bull shit non working product costing more than one thousand bucks on a long period of times with success, fooling everybody, save political leaders or religious one who do it daily ? Almost nobody.... It is the reason the device simplicity and evident potential inspire me even if i never listened to it... I am not a believer but imagination and common sense can sometimes walk a longer way than beliefs based on limited knowledge or limited experience.... « So on go the pendulum of thinking, from beliefs to doubts, never one without the other at a walking pace. Some walk tough on only one leg, deluded by their eternal credulous or sceptic beliefs»-Anonymus smith |
Don’t hold your breath but I will get to it I promise. My son in law will run the test on two friends that are music buffs. As I am hopelessly biased and considered by many to be an a--hole I will go out for a ride during the test.
Mahgister, l like better sound quality just like anyone here. If Schumann Resonators make my system sound better I’ll buy a bunch of them. It is not my style to lie about such things even if some people like cleeds think I am a liar. Is that projection? I don’t pull punches.
First i apologize for my sarcasm going to far... I am sure you are honest ,only biased, but we all are.... Some more tough, and perhaps me, why not? ! 😁 I am sorry for your necessary privation of music and for this wrist problem.... I hope all will come back to normal for you.... I apologize sincerely..... You dont need my sarcasm in these changing times... I hope the best for you and your family.... And nerver mind our different perspectives and histories we are also friends here and not enemies... I wish you the best from my heart.... |
What news with your blind test mijostyn?
I am surprized by the absence of the definitive proof of the "deceptive" "big lie" associated with the S.G. ?
I am sure that the test has been cancelled.... It cannot be positive then with no news about his revelatory negative answer, the only left answer is his cancellation or a postponement....
But perhaps i am wrong, it was positive and you dont dare to say it here.... It will nullify all your attitude and thread.....Anyway.... i dont need the blind test....I am "blind" myself is it not ?....
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Mahgister, you are incredible. All your stuff was created by your brain for your brain. Your ears are just along for the ride. But, whatever makes you happy. Do get the microphone. That will teach you a lot. I already know that.... I am not a crusader against mic feedback...Like some other crusade against windmills or against products they even never experimented with...I am creative not a crusader.... Read me "accurately".... By the way i am a passionnate... Dont take too personal my answer to your posts.... Ear and brain are always a unity in music and sound perception...It is not so simplistic like the alternative: "the brain fool the ear seeing a costly amplifier between the test", or "the perfect acuity of the ear detect the audible alleged effects"... The line between phenomena located at different levels are not draw once for all by us.... «Between this level which is the bottom of the sea and this other one you see with the sun, there are another level you dont see, says the whale to Jonah listening to him in his belly»-Groucho Marx bible commentator |
What exactly are you fixing with a Schumann Resonator? The answer is , you have no idea My S.G. dont fix anything.... They add something completely different...Nothing else will add...If the conditions are there for the effect to be audible on the first place ...Half of all peoples room at least, unbeknownst to them have a very high noise floor in the 3 working embeddings dimensions of their audio system... And they cannot know directly by listening nor estimate the level of their own noise floor ... Your equalizer will not reveal that to you sorry.... My ionizers dont fix anything they act on the molecules of air.... My acoustic controls devices and the passive material treatment fix my room...Not the S.G. and the ionizers... My 18 Helmholtz finely adjusted Pipes and tubes for example correct the relation of the speakers/room FOR MY EARS and WITH MY EARS and each ears being structurally specific, they work in a way an equalizer can do...Acoustic is not reducible to equalization with a mic...Even if it is useful to use a mic for sure... Same thing for my other acoustic devices... I will use a mic this summer to refine all my devices workings for sure... One set of measures dont contradict another sets if the ears guides us... What you call a subjective defect or BIAS in each different ears is the ONLY tool with which each of us we can listen to anything...The tuned and controlled room in relation with the source of the sound(the speakers) is like an acoustic device in the ears of an half deaf person, the apparatus works better tuned for his particular deafness... The room in the same way must be tuned for specific ears not only for specfic speakers... My Helmholtz grid and other devices are created by my ears and for my ears.... Anyway all that worked so much well my system is completely transformed and the cost is peanuts...All my devices COST almost NOTHING and are homemade... Calling that "snake oil" is bad faith.... You cannot call that placebos either save by bad faith.... I sell creativity.... What do you sell? Equalizers? Prejudices against something you will never experiment and dont want to ? Your test is a joke... Anybody reading your thread and arrogance will know for sure that you will never admit to be wrong... Especially with a "stupid" device like an S.G. You will prefere calling all others who succeed to perceive an audible effect to be deluded.... The only problem here for those who listen the effect and those who cannot is not the presence of delusion or not but the 3 noise floors of their environment : mechanical, electrical and acoustical... Before condemning people to be deluded by a collective placebo effects that struck only a part of the population, it is more wise to enquire about the noise floor in audio.... But these rational attitude will certainly be out of your "square mind" opinionated mind... If you are a scientist i am a cactus.... 😁 Science is first an attitude and ethic of the mind process...Not a diploma... Your attitude look like religious zeealots ...Scientism and religious zealots are brothers of the same blood....They all are crusaders.... |
Most "tweaks" are the equivalent of "simple but wrong". Your post is right for the most part...Most underestimate totally the acoustic, which is for me more powerful than MOST upgrade at ANY cost... But remember that if a "tweak" cannot solve all problem, a set of listening experiments for 2 years with many devices can solve some... Even if it is unorthodox like using cheap S.G. and many, many other devices... Dont jump too speedily to conclusion.... My room look like a mess by the way... But my sound did not sound like a mess.....And the reason is NOT my particular choice of gear.... 😁 |
If i read you i am afraid of what you think of my system, enjoying it now?
Many people enjoy the results of this device, but they are ALL deluded.... You are not....
The fact and the truth and the reason why we speak about the devices that can help achieving the improvement, the only fact are the device, not our fear or our belief...Testing it ask for more than your biased test...destined to fail....For the reasons i give to you and you never answer to.... Because in THIS THREAD of yours your goal is not truth but proving your point....
Read yourself before posting and answering arguments i give about your test with only this sophistry about fear...
i am a bit afraid because of your lack of logic ....Like all opinionated people your logic is a circle...
You NEVER respond with any arguments at all.... Except accusing others of delusion by placebo...With your equalizer you are not deluded in any way for sure...
Think about this fact....
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Absolutely, without a doubt, the silliest accessory I have ever seen is the Schumann Resonator. Turns out I have two of them. A present intended for my health from a homeopathic relative. In a few weeks My son in law’s brother and fiancée are coming up for the weekend, all young people with excellent hearing. My system should be back up by then. The SRs will be hidden and connected to remote controlled outlets which my wife will operate. As a very biased person I will be excluded from the experiment.
I these make such a stunning improvement in sound quality it should be a breeze for at least one of four young people to be able to identify the "on" condition consistently. It never comes trough your mind that non audiophile listeners in an unknown room with unknown music for them cannot consistently predict anything in a coherent manner if they are not in their normal listening conditions with musical files they know really well? Dont you know that the S.G. work really for many at the condition that the acoustic setting of the room and at the condition that the audio system make it able to work? This S.G. effect would have been undetectable in my own room 3 years ago with the same gear.... Dont you know that this change is very real but subtle, affecting the air between notes more than the sound itself? Dont you know that this improvement is less linked to the ears acuity but to the listeners hearing experience and habits? It is easy to read your mind... You simply arrange this to say that " blind test" prove it wrong... You dont even want to subject yourself to the test, the only one competent to do it in your own room system with your own music ? 😁 Your post is a joke my friend.... It is written in the sky that you all will laugh a lot.....Of stupid audiophiles and stupid homeopaths....Before and after the experiment... I will have never post this if you had said that you will itself pass the test.... But eliminating yourself with the bias pretext is very revelatory.... |
Mahgister, the one thing about humans is they are as a group surprisingly predictable. Rarely one of us exceeds expectations like the Rev Martin Luther King.
You are right.... It is one of the reason i was fascinated by great souls all along human history... My best to you... |
It is very tragical and comical to read that some think that they are in the right half of humanity.... The less stupid half, the less gullible one for sure... 😁
Many posts here reflect around this 50 % coming from some"nose" statistic... And those speaking in this way truly think that they are in the less worst of these 2 possible goups....The gullible and the non gullible one...
The truth is more drastic.....
All of us, except a ridiculous few number under 1 % are gullible, conditioned, to some degree and confuse truth with opinion or dogma ften if not most of the times....
I even include myself in this group.... I only try to be conscious of this fact time to time...
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«Truth is not a medecine at all, it is a disease with sure death of the city for result»-A judge against Plato
«I order the truth for dinner, and they serve me waste on a plate»-Groucho Marx |
@mahgister, I think you have stumbled onto an interesting problem with us humans. When we do not know what is going on we make stuff up. We mythologize. This may have been going on long before H. sapiens cropped up about 200,000 years ago. Zeus was a creative explanation for lightning. There have been millions of myths throughout our time on this planet all firmly taken as gospel in their day. Many had a very difficult death, like the earth is flat. New myths pop up on a daily basis if you care to watch the news. Thanks for you reply.... But reducing myths to only fancy is also a deception about ourself.... Myths are a fundamental expression of the creative imagination, and in this sense they are not "fictions" in the modern acceptation of the word...Imagination has 2 side: passive imagination this is illusion, dreaming, and going out of the reality...But creative and formative imagination is on the opposite side an access to reality and in this sense it is real... Cassirer give the example of a curved line, that is a work of art for the artist, a mathematical conic section or the number line for a geometer, or the appearence of a beautiful feminine body for the lover, or an exact metaphor of the absolute infinite for a mystic, or a direct sign of the divine in the sky or in the sand or the confusion between a serpent and and cable in the dark room of imagination for many of us.... The curve is all that at the same times and way MORE.... Without imagination there is NO perception of reality.... And sometimes what we called myth, the oral transmission through millenia, convey and refer to real fact and phenomenon, interpreted in the past, but not reducible to "fiction" only.... Reality is not an outer "fact" or a set of facts.... This is one of the greatest illusion of modern man... Modern science and modern psychology enlightened us about that.... « What seems to exist, but does not exist by itself, is the real staircase that brings us to truth»-Anonymus Smith «Do you also walk on water?»-Groucho Marx |
@mahgister, I am not disagreeing with your statements. Based on the current political situation I would estimate that at least 50% of the population is highly suggestible. But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology? My post was an answer to a friend here : Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible. This is an underestimation...
Most human more than half, are very suggestible, it is a characteristic of human being..Socialization of the entity in the herd ask for that...(for sure my estimation is anecdotal) Then this is"anecdotal"....In reality ALL humans are suggestible at children age, and some only "waited" a variable amount of time to be programmed completely or to partially chose their program (scientism,religions, sects, political parties)Humans CANNOT live without answers that are most of the time not the truth at best and half truth at worst... 😁 Truth ask for a work about OURSELF....Not only about nature or about number theory.... Truth is like freedom, nobody wanted it, save few great human spirits...It is a too heavy load on the back of each of us.... But, on what basis are you making these statements, as a matter of experience and opinion or do you have a degree in sociology or psychology? Like in audio i did not have any competence at all in anything... My life job was counselling of students of all fields about reading in philosophy, linguistics, science, mathematics,poetry, psychology, even astrology and other studies😁... The only think i learned to was chosing my books......These books were so interesting that it was not necessary to like reading to read them.... I was very good to move people to read books they dont like... For example i instructed mathematicians to read some specific poet for their specific character , and to poets to read about natural phenomena or number theory....😊I was very good to seeds enthusiasm and to make synthesis.... But i am totally incompetent....Like i am incompetent in audio, but i can learn by myself .... All i say, all i can say, is my opinion.... Social Darwinism is a travesty, the evolution of a species is not. Evolution is the central feature of biology for the last 2 centuries....But Evolution is not reducible to Darwin concepts, and is a way more complex concept than imagined by most....Proponent of intelligent design for example has mark some good points.... This article is an introduction to the Goethean concepts....They are clear but very, very deep....Dont be fooled by the simplicity of the description at first sight....One of the best books about Goethe vision in English had be written by a physicist who studied and worked with David Bohm, Henry Bortoft.... https://www.natureinstitute.org/article/craig-holdrege/goethe-and-the-evolution-of-science Goethe is not understood easily..... He was the " holder of the largest private collection of minerals of his time in Europe—with almost 18,000 specimens" and many thousands plants specimens.....Dont think a minute that Goethe was a lazy poet.... It is very easy to miss his ideas even today ....They are too deep to be understood on the spot....Bortoft explain very well why and how... It take him 20 years to do so.... Then dont execute Goethe ideas with "scientism" in few minutes....It is like for audio phenomena , there is more than meet the eyes of anyone.... 😊😊 My best to you..... |
Apparently experiments from the first part of the last century have shown that some 20% of the population are highly suggestible. This is an underestimation... Most human more than half, are very suggestible, it is a characteristic of human being..Socialization of the entity in the herd ask for that...(for sure my estimation is anecdotal) Hypnosis is not all there is about suggestibility and the way to assess it....Political gatherings illustrate very much the way the herd mentality, with his target scapegoats, the mass suggestibility are the rule... Funnily enough there also seems to some 20% of folk who are not suggestible and unlikely to change their minds in any eventuality And this phenomenon of a mind closed to suggestion and appearing unmoveable is also an illusion.... People in a cult, scientific one or religious one, are unmoveable and apparently non suggestible anymore...They seems non suggestible but it is an illusion that is created after a deep conditioning of their brain in the past....Often being the most conditioned they neede a deprogramming but they cannot be awaken without risk like the sleepwalkers.... Of course I’d like to see myself as someone that’s not so suggestible and only prepared to rely upon reason and data Relying on reason and data is way more difficult than people think generally... What is a data? What is reason? When Goethe contradicted the metaphysical corpuscular and mathematical theory of colors and light of Newton , he was relying on concrete phenomena and reason... Newton has his own nore ambitious goal tough: a complete optic theory...Except Newton theory was abstract and not founded in the biological and natural phenemonomogy and physiology of the experience... Newton and Goethe were rational and the 2 vouch for datas....Goethe was without the mathematical conditioning of Newton... He foundeed the physiology of perception and another perspective about what is science...He was the Faraday of life phenomenon, but the Maxwell of biology never emerge after him, we gain Darwin a genius in his own way... it is only today that Goethe is vindicated after the death of some aspects of the Darwinian paradigm..... 😊 In audio like you, i was not rational at all.... I only wanted my Hi-Fi experience at all cost.... But without money... 😁 This is not rational, this is an obsessive dream... I succeeded with a 500 bucks audio system to create a S.Q. on par or better than all i have known to this day....It is not the best, but so good that i dont give a damn about the best anymore... I discovered in the last years of my audio journey that audiophiles are very suggestible group , not because they are insensitive to science facts like said the "scientism" of some engineer, but because they think that Hi-Fi experience is linked to PRICE and HYPE.... But the suggestibility of mass consumerism put blinders on the thinking brain, they chase their tail instead of learning HOW to listen not only music but sound and HOW to embed what they already own... Not knowing how to install their own system in his 3 working dimensions, they are frustrated and go on upgrading forever... The engineer who create the design sells and market them like a perfect gear that we only have to connect to reach paradise... 😁 I know for sure that all that is half truth worst than a lie....Without embedding controls in their mechanical,electrical and acoustical dimensions, any Hi-Fi product work way under his S.Q. potential, unbeknownst to the customers who will wanted to upgrade sooner than later.... It is not data or reason that give me this experience and belief.... It was poverty and the impossibility to upgrade much.... My only 2 ressources was my listening ears and creativity.... Here creativity was better than reason and superior to it, and my listening ears way better than the so called given "data".... My best to you and thanks for your patience with my lenghty post.... |
Same here! But i use them twice..... 😁
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This joke will not give you I.Q. point sorry.... if you need them for sure.... I presume wth this "joke" that you effectively need them....Next time then ....
By the way, being intelligent, i discovered some use for aluminium paper in my room but not on any head....
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You are right on all counts....
But dont forget that all ordinary humans are mostly trustful....
It is only an era where the scum can pilot humanity without the need to hide himself...Then the liars are visible all over the place.... But they dont outnumbered the vast decent majority invisible to any spotlight....
My experience with people is most are trustful....Here for example in these forums, most are trustful.....
Rest assured that i am not too gullible..... 😁
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Mahgister, an anecdote dose not a study make. My intention was not a study.... Only to gives a personal anecdote that has some meaning attached to it... Perhaps do you know Vernadsky? It is no more an anecdote in my post.... One of the greatest Russian scientist... For the study of cooperation of organisms in the long run we had plenty of studies; these facts dont eliminate struggle for life, and in human society the battle of all against all, but that relativize the phenomenon pointing to a more deep fact in the long run: cooperation... Than in human society trust is the ONLY money, thinking otherwise is limited brain power or the results of past traumas or the two....Pick your choices... History go to the " utopia" of self destruction or the opposite , there is no mid-way between these 2... Why? Because it is cooperation or death.... Simple ....Earth cannot manage 8 billions liars... Humans will lie unless it is their own best interest not to. You just say a few second ago that anecdote dont constitue a study.... And my anecdote has 12,000 anecdotes like yours...There are story and story... It is like your opinion of a "tweak" and many consumers satisfied opinions, there is a DIFFERENCE in the weight of anecdotes... Doctor must know this day by day...It is called a prognostic... Anyway you are old enough to understand that those who always lies like your cop are those and the same who put themselves in the conditions where lying is a life style... Average people dont lie at this scale and dont place themselves in the conditions where lies will be necessary and a life style... If you go to bed with another woman you will be in the obligation to lie, not because you are a liar, because there is no other way.... Simple... «Thinking is not only addition, it is division too, and few other things»-Groucho Marx |
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My wife expedited 12 thousand parcels in the world when she was working for a 10 years period... Guess with how many dishonest people she deals with?
A few....
For sure what she was selling was not the first and most attracting objects for the sociopaths, psychopaths or average idiots...
Friends from Wall Street are not friends from philosophers circle or from honest small business workers....
We generally chose our hell or paradise, and our friends, except if we live unluckily at some bad moment of history and at the wong place with the wrong people... But there is for sure many new bad places at this precise moment of history now... Alas!
Humanity and life strive more and better because of cooperation anyway than rivalry...
We know now that the life on earth organism form a family, not mainly a bunch of individuals in struggle... We learned from Darwin and Vernadsky ...Not from some bad Darwinist....
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