To modify or not to mod..... that is the question.



With as much vinyl as i have been playing (4-6 hours a day) a new cartridge is looking about 6 months away or so. A DV-20x is on the table (P25) and im very satisfying with the sound as is, but the idea of spending $500+ to replace it is not very exciting!. I would like to get the OL or Expresimo mods (not sure which one ... convince me!!) to the arm and from what i read should expect a good increase in sonics. What im wondering is with the increase in the arms ability(with mods) is it enough to offset stepping down to a lower priced cartridge, say a DV- 10x4 (or equivalent). In other words, will the rb-600 with mods and 10x4 sound as good as an rb-600 and 20x without?. I realize that every cartridge has its own sound signature and they are bound to sound different, but any help with the pros and cons would be of help! ..... thanks

Bill....
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bkcme
Okay Bill, to answer your questions. The difference between a modded Rega RB600 and an OL Silver is quite large. Far, far more than the price difference. Whether you think it is worth the money is a personal decision, but to give you a guide, let's look at some things. First, an OL modded RB600 is not as good sounding as an OL modded RB250. Primarily because of the VTF spring on the 600. The modded 250 is the best sounding of all OL modded Rega arms. The OL Silver is about twice as good as the OL modded RB250.

Now this is all relative, because the Rega arms are already some of the better sounding arms available, and are good value before you even start modding. When you start with the mods, the 250 is the best one to mod, because it can come out at a higher performance level, than any of the other Rega arms, after modding. A modded 250, will sound better than a modded 900. The reasons for this are all explained on the OL website. A modded 250 is known as a "giant killer" arm, because it performs near the level of some of the best arms around, for alot less money. It is a great value for the dollar, and I by no means am knocking this modded arm. It is one of the better arms out there, and would be at home on a very high priced turntable, and sound great.

Now when we get to the OL Silver, we are in another category altogether. This arm was designed from the ground up to be better in all respects than a modded Rega arm. And it is. It gives performance at or above just about all of the top arms out there. It IS one of the top arms out there. So, you can choose, do you want "near" to the top arms, or do you want "one of the top arms".

Now getting to the Expressimo Audio mods, they are some good mods, and are very similar and close in performance to the OL mods. I would say that some people might not be able to tell the difference bewteen them. I think that the coupling of the OL end stub being minimal in contact with the arm tube, gives the OL stub an edge in performance over the Expressimo. Not alot. The Expressimo Heavyweight is definitely the counterweight to get, whether you get an OL end-stub or not. The Expressimo or OL VTA adjusters are about the same. The Cardas wiring in the Expressimo is probably a little better than the OL wiring. All-in-all, there is not alot of difference there. Both are good.

If your budget allows only $300 incremental spending, then maybe that points towards modding a little at a time. I'd do the VTA adjuster first, then the end-stub, then the wiring, then the Heavyweight.

About the cartridge and phono stage, if you have a high gain line stage that can add about 25db to the 53db of your phono stage, then you could use the Denon DL103R, without a transformer. Viridian pointed this out to me on another thread yesterday, that I was not considering the gain of the linestage, when I was calculating total phono gain. He was, of course, correct, and I am now mentioning it to you. If you can get a total of about 75db-80db out of your phono stage and preamp combined, you could get into the ballpark. You may have to turn up the volume a little higher to get normal SPL.

Now, getting back to your turntable, while Inna was less than diplomatic, he was actually correct in that you could get more performance increase by improving the table, than you can by improving the arm or cartridge. This is the case with ANY table, not just yours. It is an analog maxim. However, there is no rule that states that you cannot improve your arm, with the idea that eventually you will transfer it onto your next table upgrade. I think that this is what you are doing, and you will upgrade tables in the future, I'm sure. Because I can see you have the "fever" and you will want to improve in that area as well. In the meantime the P25 will serve as well as it can. Very few ever reach the level where no upgrading is possible.

Now to make a summation here, if I were in your position, with the money budgeted in $300 increments, I would first put my RB600 on the Audiogon, with a price tag of $495. If I could get it, or near it, I could then take my $300 cash and add it to what I got from the sale of the RB600, and order an OL Silver as fast as my hot little fingers could dial the phone. If I only could get $400 for the arm, I would skimp on lunch for a while and order an OL Silver anyway. If I couldn't get $400 for the arm, I'd mod it with whichever brand mods I liked best, in the order I mentioned above. Either that, or order an already completely modded OL or Expressimo RB250, by adding whatever I could get from the RB600 and cash difference.

Then when you get this done, you have to seriously start looking at turntables, as the next step. Any of these arms are beyond the P25. Not that they wouldn't be good on it, but they would be far more forthcoming with their possibilites of performance on a more high end table. I'm sure you know that I recommend Teres as the best TT for the least money. I have a Teres 245 with OL Silver, and it is a sweetheart! I'd seriously recommend looking in that direction.
Inna ......WHAT!! no vinyl front end?.. i feel for ya.... let me tell you, you don't know what your missing. Iv got a grate idea, $450 will get you a lightly used rb-600. Add that to what ever table you want and you can listen to some of that vinyl now! instead of someday. That is! what this is all about ... music.... right!?

Twl..... Maybe i will try and sell the rb- 600 (to Inna?) and get a OL silver... Thanks!!

Bill...
Inna ......WHAT!! no vinyl front end?.. i feel for ya.... let me tell you, you don't know what your missing. Iv got a grate idea, $450 will get you a lightly used rb-600. Add that to what ever table you want and you can listen to some of that vinyl now! instead of someday. That is! what this is all about ... music.... right!?

Twl..... Maybe i will try and sell the rb- 600 (to Inna?) and get a OL silver... Thanks!!

Bill...
Good post.Wondering myself if I downgrade size wise what I can expect in terms of ease of use after having been spoiled by the ease of VTA adjustment with my VPI arm.Anybody seeing this clue me in as to what difference would be?
Chazzbo
Chazzbo, not really sure what you mean by downsizing "size wise". But the Rega and OL arms are not nearly as easy to do a VTA adjustment on, as the VPI arms. But they can be adjusted, as long as you have the adjuster, that is normally included on the modded arms. Standard Rega arms don't come with a VTA adjuster, but you can buy one separately and put it right on.

The modded Rega arms and OL arms perform very well, and can be surprising to those who have not heard them. Particularly the OL Silver, which would give any arm a run for the money. Even arms costing far more.

They are all very good value, for not alot of cash. Over-achiever, would be a good term for them.