You mean George has a happy place??
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What's the point mapman?
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@dwstudeman
If you have been working in electronics as long as you claim then you will have surely come across many instances and events that science and tech just could not explain.
Or are you going to tell me that nothing inexplicable has ever happened in your field of work ?
Call it mysticism if it suits your desire but I know some of the stuff I have seen and I know some of said things we never ever could find a rational explanation for.
I know what I hear and this evening I have been wallowing in pure magic.
Ah well it has been a wonderful 2 week's of vacation but back out to California early Sunday morning to play with big boys toys, few million dollars worth of electronics.
Wonder if we need any fuses? |
George
If you are going to insist on quoting people at least quote the FULL sentence, not little chunks to suit yourself and your manifesto.
Now I need go sacrifice a goat or two...... |
And with that I bid thee all farewell.
Time to abandon ship before it sinks without a trace. |
Then I am humbled by your presence dwstudeman.
Honestly that is not my experience and I think I am better equipped to keep an open mind because of it.
Thank you for keeping my required mode of transport safe though. |
George
You DEFINITELY need a vacation.
Humour is not your forte for sure. |
George
Still awaiting your explanation of who the "awesome foursome" are as I notice you deftly avoid that every time asked.
Your sly underhand digs will not be tolerated any longer, you paint yourself in an oh so righteous light and yet have nothing to say bar the same worn out spiel over and over again .
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George
Please answer the question I have now asked you 3 times.
If you cannot manage this and can,only pour ridiculous baseless vitriol on every post then I suggest you give yourself a timeout to reflect
Thank you
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Because imho blind double testing does not truly work, note i state IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, nothing more and nothing less.
nothing more nefarious than that
If it is truly any concern to yourself, I returned as it looked like it may have taken a turn for the better but recent posts by George and others are destined to land it right back into the mire again .
And as I have stated numerous times science does NOT hold or have all the answers, sorry but I have witnessed just too much in my work experience to be able to assert that everything can be easily categorised and explained.
I openly admit I truly do not know exactly why the fuses work , in my system, in my house and to my ears but they do.
And apparently quite a few thousand other users of said fuses think the same......
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George
yet again you refer to the "awesome foursome" with out answering my question of who this foursome is?.
You throw this phrase out in the same ridiculous post that is a repeat of the post before it and before that and before that etc.
So , by your own admission, you will continue to harass anybody who posts here who has a different opinion to yourself and deliberately disrupt the intent of this thread is what you are saying.
Be VERY carefull on what you say next......
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@folkfreak.
Thank you, that is an Excellent method of actually determing a real sonic difference.
I would welcome the same test on a Blue fuse for sure.
Anybody have the capability to do that here?
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Geoff
That was pointless and completely unwarranted.
Yes of COURSE it would be good to have some scientific proof to quiet the sceptics.
No need to sink to their level now is there?
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No worries NoNoise
I have zero intentions of getting into any debates that are pointless.
Just waiting for my new blue fuse for my phono stage to arrive, then travel home to test it, but that is a good few days away yet.
I am sure it will be positive though |
George
Yet again
Who are the awesome foursome?
In your humble opinion of course
Put up or well you know what.
Your continued barrage of shouts of "snake oil" will end up being your forum undoing......
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George
As per usual you have it all confused
You are correct I have never attempted to explain why they make the difference they do , in my system, to my ears, in my room.
NOT ONCE have I ever said that you just have to trust me and rush out and try them, NOT ONCE!
All I have ever done is to state the effects in my system, in my room to my ears.
I believe others should be free to also make the same decisions based on their own system, room, hearing etc.
Of course you are free to state your opinions and thoughts as is everybody else.
What you are NOT free to do, is to harass and abuse said proponents just because you do not agree with their view or beliefs!
Tone it down or turn it in.
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Actually I would definitely prefer to be a part of the "awesome foursome" than the founder member of the "lonesome ownsome"
Thanks bud! |
Carpathian
That would likely be stock answer #2 I think.......
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George
Why should SR have to come here to answer to you?
I have no idea just WHERE you get your information from at all, I know full well that it is NOT the case that ALL manufacturers come to these forums to respond to threads about their products.
SR may indeed have no clue this thread or even forum exists!
Unless you have invited them and they have refused to comment, that would indeed be a whole different matter.
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04.14.2018?
Gosh we can add time travel to your list of attributes now George.....
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"Not just to me, to all, because every other manufacturer would if there some dispute about their product. "
Again I would say not true at all.
If I was SR, I would take one look at the acrimonious exchanges occurring on this thread and run for the hills.
With the bitterness expressed here it surely would end up as doing more harm than good.
They know I am sure that nothing short of goat and chicken sacrifices will appease some members here. |
George
What is it exactly that you see that SR have to defend and protect?
I would say they are quite satisfied with their sales so far so again why waste their time to come here to argue with you and err, wolfie??
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I can very easily say that after a couple of minutes of Google research, try it, you might learn something!
Credibility?
Just you and a couple more rattling round this thread?
Give me a break please!
You seriously overestimate your position or points of view in the grand scheme of things.
Thanks for the laugh though. |
Wolf
I truly wish I had a solid concrete answer for you I really do.
But I do not, sorry.
I just know what I hear in my system, to my ears in my room.
And to me is some of the best bang for the buck I have invested in my system.
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Oh I was not surprised my last post was removed...lol
Only surprised just how FAST it was removed.
Methinks someone here has the "report post" function on speed dial! |
@gdhal
Tbh my friend, I cannot say as I had ever searched for information on fuse directionality.
If you had asked me a year ago about an aftermarket fuse making any sq change never mind the direction of said fuse I would have launched so hard my socks would have flew off!
It was only after reading Frank's original red fuse thread that I thought why not try a fuse, it can't hurt.
And to my ears I heard a distinct difference none of which I can offer any explanation for.
Now the directionality came later.
I was given a black fuse for my DAC and after fitting it I sat back, listened and thought well, that's flat. A few minutes reflection and I opened the DAC up again and reversed the direction and I was honestly totally shocked. Again I can offer no explanation.
So to sum up I had not read about it anywhere previous to in these forums and not sure if fuse manufacturer make any directional claims at all?
Not sure if that helps or was the answer you were looking for.
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I still find this a highly informative and interesting thread despite some of the "infighting" that goes on here.
I am absolutely positive it is NOT hurting SR fuse sales one bit. |
Pretty quiet in here tonight, no silly posts but I guess it is early yet...lol |
Nice post Frank
Completely agree |
@gdhal
Thank you for the kind words
As I have said before I do not believe in the blind test, pure and simple.
I know what I hear, in my system, to my ears, in my room.
And I am satisfied that it was MY money well spent.
I am NOT here to try to persuade ANYBODY else to spend their hard earned money on fuses.
Just reporting MY results and MY results only.
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@nonoise
I meant by my post last night of it being pretty quiet in here, with the exception of somebody's nonsense.
Now I see the problem, my post where I stated that from now on I would ignore every single post made by George and not entertain any further bickering got removed, probably at his doing even though there was nothing offensive about the post at all. |
Very interesting post there Prof, care to elaborate? |
Prof
Just the sort of remark I expected.
You had a real opportunity to actually post something constructive.
Seems everyone thinks they are a comedienne nowadays......
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Ah it is all good Nonoise, I think I now have a grand total of 3 posts deleted in the forums, all on this thread....lol.
Actually even though it sounds like a heaven send to this thread, the idea of an OP being able to remove posts and block users, I think it would or could just be seen as intolerance of others views, especially if the privilege is abused.
Of course I am not saying Frank would do that but I certainly could envisage a scenario where some OPS, may do so.
I think the better course is for certain members to learn to exercise some degree of self control. If they cannot and this is proven by a number of posts then possibly a time out imposed by admin would be in order.
Just my thoughts and not advocating ANY of the actions mentioned.
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Prof
I respect your distrust of tweaks and some of your reasoning for said attitude, some of the claims for some tweaks I have seen are borderline idiocy I agree.
However please do not tar ALL tweaks with the same brush.
Not repeating myself yet again, scroll back a few posts and you will see where I have come from as far as fuses are concerned.
And before you ask, yes I AM a working EE but do NOT believe that science has the answer for everything or can explain all.
I keep an open mind on quite a variety of things, not all in the audio world either.
Ridicule away, I am happy with having spent my money where I chose too. |
Prof
One assumes you base ALL of your ridicule of audio tweaks on actual experience yes?
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@tommylion
Exactly my point, well said.
Its my money and if I am happy with the results from it then so be it.
As I have said many many times, I am not here to persuade anybody to buy fuses, just honestly reporting my listening conclusions.
End of story!
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Well it is time for me to do the same as I have done many times during this thread, sit back and enjoy my music.
I am happy with my choices and Tbh could not care less what anybody else thinks.
If you want to believe I am just deluding myself, fine whatever pushes your buttons.
I had hoped this thread would regain its bearings but seems that was a forlorn hope.
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I have all the respect in the world for those who have tried a fuse or 3 in their system and believed they heard no change, at least they gave it a shot.
Conversely I have zero respect for those who firmly grasp an abacus in one hand and slide rule in the other and state its just impossible for a fuse to make any sonic difference.
Was it not that type of thinking that said man would never fly?
Good night all.
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George
I was trying hard to ignore you but...
If you are going to insist in quoting me then do so IN FULL, not just taking a small section of my post which put of context with the rest of the post changes its meaning entirely.
You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
You should really know better than to resort to low down underhand tricks like that.
Does it make you feel better to pull such stunts?
Says all I need to know about you......
And yes I will not be surprised if this post is removed once George sees it and spits his dummy out over being called out. |
I can sum up my feelings to all the Debbie downers here in 2 simple sentences.
I do not care if you hear a change or not.
I do not care if you believe if I hear a change or not. |
Prof
I hate quoting people as certain others here have habits of "selectively quoting" that changes the context entirely but....
"I find it no problem to admit my fallibility, and when I really don’t have a high level of evidence and confidence in something. But should it be suggested to other people "hey, maybe you could be wrong...not ARE wrong...but could be wrong, like I’ve been before, and like science tells us to look out for..." then their reaction is to get upset, cast aspersions at anyone daring to challenge their experience as the Final Arbiter Of Truth!"
That to me says that you have the feeling that the pro fuse section are spitting their dummies out when it is suggested they may be wrong and absolutely cannot be hearing what they are hearing, which is not the case imho.
I think it is possible some of the reactions you have encountered from some members could have been over the top for sure.
And not once did I say that you were of the opinion that it was impossible for some people to hear a difference with a fuse change.
Unless I misunderstood of course in which case I am sure you will swiftly correct me........
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Prof
It is all good
I have no desire to get into deep debates or online arguements with you or anybody here.
At the end of the day it is all about the music and our perception and enjoyment of the same.
Now to wit, my brand new Oppo UDP-205 has arrived so time to set it up and see what all the fuss is about if anything.
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Prof
Actually you have it all backwards I am afraid
Not one of the pro fuse users, to my knowledge, are stating that just because they hear a difference then everybody must do and get upset when they do not.
It is actually the naysayers who are up in arms because they cannot hear a difference and so insist it must be impossible for anybody to hear a difference.
THAT is what the majority here are upset over, being repeatedly told they cannot possible be hearing what they are hearing.
Just check some of the fervent posts from the non believers.....
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Prof
Spoken like a gentleman sir!
Wish a few more had the same grace and manners whilst wielding the hot iron of philosophical debate!
Kudos!
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gdhal
I hope it is Purple, I really do, I LURVE Purple, you know really Deep Purple!
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Clearthink
"I believe that fuses make no audible difference in a Music Reproduction System and because of this faith I see no need to test the veracity of my faith or to challenge, expect or demand that others believe as I do."
Not sure that is quite how Ivan expected his post to be interpreted but whatever.
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Question for anybody?
Does the OPPO udp205 contain an internal fuse at all?
If so do we know the size?
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Tel555
I would not dream of stating something did not or could not work unless I had actually tried it for myself and that applies to anything not just fuses.
Now what you can do is state why you THINK they might not work based on some logic but you still cannot state they absolutely cannot work, as certain members insist , WITHOUT actually trying them. |
