And I am afraid by Georges own admission he is in camp #3.
Because his EE tells him they can’t possibly work so that’s it.
And I have little time or patience for anybody who even refuses to hold an open mind.
At least Wolf tried and landed in camp #2.
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Geoff
Sorry
Have to correct you on D, it is well known Hitler retired to the moon where he spends his days in theological debate with Elvis. |
Obviously not Frank
Science is their god and as such his will is cast iron.
Heaven forbid that one of them might break down and actually TRY a fuse.
I mean what would happen if they actually liked what they heard?
How would they explain that to their god?
And yes I am being facetious....
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This thread is getting really old and REALLY annoying with the constant post removal and same old repeated trite posted ad nauseam.
It is not very likely for a mod to delete a post on their own back unless it was reported.
Of course it could be a poster deleting their own post after rethinking it. |
George the word you are searching for is not "paranoid" I am afraid.
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Thank you Frank
At least we have hauled this thread back into a semblance of sanity with relevant posts. |
George
why do u feel the need to insult me personally every post you make?
because this is exactly what you are doing by insinuating that I cannot possibly be hearing what I know I am hearing
you are now just stooping to belittle everyone,s intelligence here who does not or will not agree with your extremely narrow minded and vindictive view.
time to get a life Georgie......... |
Charles
You are of course correct
It is just his one sided determination to derail this thread with bunkum that is depressing to say the least
Sad really I suppose.
I will attempt to restrain myself and just turn the music up...... |
My head hurts
And it's not from sr fuse sq.....
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I believe there are a few manufacturers who use a circuit breaker in place of fuses but again I guess there are breakers and then there are breakers!
Maybe a whole new aftermarket tweak for SR!
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Be careful Nonoise......
Somebody may accuse you of name dropping....
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Apparently my Lyngdorf 2170 uses one of these types of soldered in fuses.
I am sure with just a tiny bit of work and ingenuity an aftermarket fuse can be engineered for these too. |
Welcome marqmike to the glorious ranks of "the fusers".
You paid your money, took a chance and heard music...literally.
Another satisfied customer. |
Dear George
Do you really think that if you post the same trite over and over and over again anybody is suddenly going to give a hoot?
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As far as directional goes I had the same thing when putting an sr black in an Exogal Comet plus dac.
First attempt it sounded sort of lifeless for want of a better description.
Sat and thought, hmm maybe wrong direction is possible.
Changed it round and honestly it was night and day.
And this was from a fuse I had been given from a fellow member who had upgraded to a sr blue fuse in his Exogal so zero outlay of cash at all!
It worked pure and simple and the direction truly made a large difference I could plainly hear |
One thing I am pretty sure of.
The more people who post actual real listening experience here, then those who visit this thread to actually gain some knowledge rather than amusement will likely give them a try! |
George
Your call for mods to delete posts by users recommending aftermarket fuses is as preposterous as, just for example, myself stating that all of YOUR posts denouncing them should be deleted as well.( which I would never stoop to btw)
Difference of opinions is all good and healthy. |
George
When you poke a bear with a pointy stick do not be at all surprised when it rears up and bites your head off......
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George
Unfortunately I have zero respect for any of your posts on this subject simply because you have absolutely refused to try a SR fuse yourself.
So EVERYTHING you say is based in , well nothing really. There is NO WAY you can state any high end aftermarket fuse cannot work when you have not tried them, and refuse to do so.
And PLEASE stop with the EE crap all day every day, it means NOTHING.
I am a fully qualified electrical engineer in the field of industrial electronics involving 1000hp plus motors/drives and all associated wiring etc, a field I have been resident in for more than 18 years now. Equipment we deal with on a daily basis runs 3 to 10 million dollars worth and has to perform 24/7/365 so you better believe I know what the hell I am doing with it!
But it has got absolutely diddley squat to do with this field of expertise and I fully understand that and do not waste my time being a blow hard on the matter.
Just put up or shut up.
Try an SR Blue fuse and then come back and spout, until then go away and take all your unfounded negativity with you.
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Charles.
I would likely agree it would be a waste of time for George to actually listen, which is a real shame.
Such dogmatic closed mind negativity is really not needed or indeed wanted in these forums I fear.
I see he has taken the same b.s. over to another fuse thread. Not quite sure just why he seems to have such huge angst over a simple matter.
You either hear a difference or you do not, it is NOT rocket science....lol.
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Wolf
At least you tried them and I respect that and the fact that to your ears there was no sonic change.
As I have previously stated in our little hobby $150 is not even chump change and with a 30 day return policy there really is zero monetary expectation bias. Of course we expect to hear something based on it being considered an upgrade and the reports of others here AND elsewhere.
My last SR black fuse I was given by a fellow member after he upgraded to a SR Blue so even less monetary expectation bias there.
And all I will say is that I know what I hear and trust me my hearing is still very good!
Now if we were talking about $5k upgrades your argument would likely carry more weight but $150 with a 30 day return policy? Lets get real here....
Even if my mind was being deceived by the horror of "wasting" $150, compared to some of the money I have really wasted in this hobby I would still be a very happy camper. |
Charles.
Some salient points there my friend.
I actually think it is because of my knowledge and training that I can and do keep an open mind regardless of what pure science tells me.
We often describe my area of industry as still being a "black art" as even to this day things occur that none of us(myself and my fellow engineers) can explain or at times truly understand.
37 years in the same trade and still learning every day. |
Geoff
I was referring to "my" industry( meaning my workplace) being a black art, not fuses, tweaks et al, although it does seem rather fitting...lol
Or maybe now it should be referred to as a "blue art"? |
George
I am sure there are others like myself(Geoff springs to mind) who post on a huge variety of threads of which fuses make up just a tiny percentile of my posting history.
However that does not stop me from being very pro fuse simply because I have HEARD the difference in my system with my own ears.
You cannot make the same claim because you REFUSE to try.......
Reminds me of one of MY EE colleagues, his favourite saying is " how can this be?"
And yes we all sigh heavily every time he speaks.....
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Wolf
Just because Al came to your defense, maybe rightfully so, does NOT mean your opinion is the only correct one and that you are right....lol.
I still find statements along the lines of that I cannot possibly be hearing what I am hearing just as deep an insult as any you may have felt slighted with.
I could regale you with MANY electrical tales from my vast work experience that just about any EE would refute and state were impossible. Apart from the fact I have witnessed them, on paper, I might have agreed.
So I keep a very open mind on a lot of matters that science says is not possible and if I feel the desire will perform my own testing.
Which I did
And quite satisfied with my results
YMMV of course....
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Exactly Grannyring.
As Charles stated a short while ago, if the minds are so closed and set it will make zero difference .
IF we outfitted every component they own with SR Blue fuses,they simply will not hear a difference.
Time to unsubscribe from this thread, my forehead hurts from repeated smacking against the wall.
Not to worry, I am sure SR will soon release a Purple or Yellow fuse then a new thread can be started and then a case of rinse and repeat. |
So sad it makes me laugh....
Thanks George....
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Gdhal
Hah!
Or a case of yellow fever. |
Wolf
I would gladly send you a SR Blue fuse for you to test....IF I thought there was even the slightest chance it would make any difference.....
But I fear it would not.
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Seriously George??
You really need to scroll back up a dozen or so posts before you continue to make yourself look even less credible. |
So really it should read...
"Awesome 75 thousand plus" fusers?
Nah, just does not do it for me.... |
@grannyring
To answer an earlier question of yours.
No , George has not tried any "boutique" fuses and quite pointedly refuses to do so.
This he has admitted much earlier in either this thread or Frank's previous SR fuse thread, I don't remember exactly which.
One of the reasons I have little time for his nonsense I am afraid.
Not much help for a completely closed mind. |
"Wolf
I would gladly send you a SR Blue fuse for you to test....IF I thought there was even the slightest chance it would make any difference.....
But I fear it would not."
For those of us who are literally challenged, pun intended. |
Well played, George, well played.
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Teo
I could probably answer that but I definitely should not...lol
Likely be banned from Agon for life....
But thank you for bringing that up for his adoring public to dissect and digest. |
Al
As always very nicely done, a lot of plausibles there and a nice diplomatic touch to it all.
Definitely some food for thought.
However.....
At least my largest contention with Wolf and George was their resolute assertions that the rest of his fellow Agoners, fellow intelligent, level headed, dedicated enthusiasts just simply could NOT be hearing any difference as it was IMPOSSIBLE.
Not once did either of them give possible credit to their fellow members ( that I remember reading at least) that there could actually be something in it and just maybe they really did truly hear something.
No matter what Wolf and George have contributed in the past that was pretty hard to swallow and very insulting to at least my sensibility.
Apart from that one aspect I have no axe to grind with either Wolf or George and I respected the fact that at least Wolf tried and did not hear anything.
I just wish they could have been a little more flexible in their thinking, exactly as you have Al, and stood back and at least considered that after all these fuse threads and satisfied customers that there had to have been something more than expectation bias to it.
Kudos to all who have managed to remain calm and breath deeply through this thread.......
Hopefully it can at last get back to its original intent. |
@cleeds
I was sort of wondering the same myself?
If it is supposed to be a reference to somebody sending him a SR Blue fuse to try I cannot remember seeing him make that statement anywhere here?
Now I remember Wolf saying that.
And I remember George saying he would NEVER try a Blue fuse.
Maybe I missed something? |
@mapman
I can see the scepticism point just fine, especially if it was limited to the couple of dozen proponents on this thread say.
However as sales appear to be in the tens of thousands that would indicate a lot of audio folk have taken the plunge.
And lets face it in this little "high end tweaked " hobby of ours, tens of thousands must number quite a decent percentile of said audio tweakers.
Now it is possible out of those thousands there could be a lot of dissapointed customers, I guess they all dont haunt Agon forums...lol.
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You know what I have just been doing?
Cleaning a load of new to me vinyl.
You know what I am going to do next?
Listen to said cleaned vinyl.
You know, enjoying the music, what this hobby is supposed to be about.
Fuses, cables, warts n,all
Over and out. |
From what I can see and read on numerous other threads Wolf appears to be very level headed and solid with good honest reviews of equipment, like the Schiit Loki, I was just perusing as just one example.
Plenty more but that was the most recent so I went with that for now.
I really have no idea why he has decided to take such a stance on fuses, just because he did not hear anything.
Does he truly believe the rest of the audio community who does and can hear that difference( numbering in tens of thousands) are ALL delusional?
Al gave quite a post last night with many good well thought out plausibles but Wolf appears to have completely ignored that post and its content entirely and resumed normal service.
Very odd. |
Frank
Now you know George can't do that, just think what would happen if he did and actually heard the difference.
He would have an instantaneous nervous breakdown on the spot as his whole world came crashing down around his ears..... |
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Al
A very well thought out and interesting post on the subject but to me just leads me to more questions from my own fuse experience.
The most dramatic effects I have witnessed on sq from fuses has been in source components, for example when I inserted a SR Black into my Exogal Comet Plus DAC.
At first I really could not detect much change, so I decided well maybe direction is a possibility after all so I reversed the direction of said fuse.
This wrought a major sq change and for reasons I admit I do not understand it made me a believer of fuses and direction of said fuses!
Now a pair of SR Black fuses as main line fuses in my BAT VK600 reaped much more minor and subtle changes, maybe if I had changed out all 4 buss fuses as well I may have heard more.
I am the first to admit I do not know why or how they work and you could well be right that it is a combination of many factors and in some peoples systems those factors may indeed be absent or at least of minimal consequence, hence the few non believers of the power of the humble fuse.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Please wake me when anything sensible is posted.....
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Pining for the fjords...... |
I am curious as to who George thinks the "awesome foursome" are?
My last count of active fuse proponents on this thread alone came to at least 6.
But if that is an example of Georges math then nuff said..... |
Tbh I was just waiting to see how long it would take the lonesome moansomes to jump on it
And George did not disappoint.
Way to go bud!
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Sorry but I do not find endless meaningless arguements too entertaining tbh, not when I have something much more productive to do.... like actually listen to my music......
BTW just ordered a SR Blue fuse for my new phono stage, just cos I know I am right........ |
I am afraid I probably have to agree with Jetter here..... Think we ran out of useful things to say a LONG time ago for sure.
Now its just bickering back and forth of which NOBODY will come out on top cos we all know we are the only sane ones and have to be right! |
