The Big Misconception About Electricity


This vid goes quite a ways down the road to explaining why:

1)  Power cords make a not so subtle difference.

2) Cable elevators should not be looked at askance.

 

Regards, barts

barts

Showing 32 responses by cindyment

@kitechaser ,

You may want to go back to chasing kites, or at least spend the 15-30 seconds it would have taken to figure out that is not a debunking site, but often debunking sites are at least researched are probably the vast majority are anti-Trump, not pro-Trump. It is embarrassing, but the embarrassment is all yours.

What did he discover previously unimaginable? ...

He was a great inventory, a good engineers, but deep diving into his actual results, does not indicate a great scientist, especially not ground breaking theoretical work. He shunned this predominantly (sort of like people on this thread, maybe that is where the love comes from?).

 

 

https://edisontechcenter.org/tesladebunked.html

Get a laugh when someone says he "single handedly change the course of history" and my education is flawed, but one of us appears to know a lot more about him ....

I am well aware of what he did, but have done enough research, you know, like real research, to know what he didn't as well. He was a great inventor, and was great at seeing how fundamental science could be applied in useful ways. He was poor at turning those ideas into things the world could use, and he really did not come up with much in the way of fundamental science.

 

EU makes few predictions. It doesn't have a unified framework, or mathematical laws underpinning it. The underlying physics doesn't go far beyond, "It's electric." Data doesn't support or disprove specific hypotheses. And where are all these electrical arcs in space? And what could their power source possibly be?

 

 

Yuvi you make me laugh. Most of what I posted for you was scientific press summaries of peer-reviewed papers. There is little point in me giving you links that are going to block you with a paywall since it’s obvious you don’t have a academic login.

I am just a little more realistic about Tesla than most people probably because I have actually done the research where others just go gaga over things they have read that they have never done even a minute of work to cross validate.

Was that a promise that you’re not going to post any more about the electric universe hypothesis? Really, you promise?

I won't insist on a notarized copy of your degree from a recognized University Yuvi, what a silly thing to ask for. I would settle for your high school diploma.

The Vice article was just referencing other data ..... if you read it, or understood it, or even attempted to, you would know this.

The Edison "fan" site, posted 100% accurate, verifiable data. If you took the few minutes to read it, understood it, or even attempted to, you again would know this.

How are you hand wavers at the Electrical Universe Flat Earth society doing today?
 

What is really funny, is you make fun of sites that link to other better researched data and/or post readily verifiable data .... and then tell me to go to Youtube ... the harbinger of truth :-) ...  George Carlin School?

There you go, making excuses for Tesla, see, I told you he would fit right in today.

Electric Universe Theory: I think it looks like a spark.

Everyone Else: We don't know today, but we will figure it out.

You would think the fact that the electric universe idea is just that, an idea with 0 proofs, 0 modelling. It does not explain anything. It is like cable risers and fuses in audio ... lots of hand waving, no validation.

Well most of them come across as nutcase clowns,  and the quality of analysis they apply generally indicates they are nutcase clowns. Not exclusively, but the vast majority.

That's pretty AMAAAAZING there @mahgister, that Kary Mullis came back from the dead to be an anti-Covid vaccination leader.  (died August 2019)

 

p.s. due try to get your facts straight:  https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr-idUSKBN24420X

 

Luc Montagnier, claimed that vaccinations were creating variants even though there is 1) Not a shred of evidence this is true, 2) There is no evidence of vaccines leading to more variants than infection itself in any vaccine and 3) The vast majority of variants, especially those of concern, are coming from places with low vaccination rates.  It appears the only validity is that vaccines that cause a sense of invulnerability and hence increase transfer versus isolation.

 

"Peter Stoilov, PhD, an associate professor of biochemistry who is leading the SARS-CoV-2 variant sequencing efforts in West Virginia, described Montagnier’s argument as “completely bonkers.”

“The fact on which he bases his argument is that mutations can change epitopes that the immune system has learned from the vaccination, and this gives some selective advantage to the virus. Consequently, in his mind, this would ‘create’ new, more dangerous variants,” he said.

However, Stoilov pointed out that “selection does not cause new variants to emerge; it merely selects some of them.”"

 

FYI,  Luc Montagnier is 89, and quite possibly no longer player with a full deck, and certainly is not applying good science.

 

 

No Omicron is not more prevalent in vaccinated people other than the statistical reality there are more vaccinated people in many countries with data.

Omicron is infecting previously infected so there goes your herd immunity.

Symptoms appear mild so far .... it is not unusual for a virus to burn itself out. The most successful virus does not kills its host.

@yuviarora I can clearly see what you mean 🤯 Do you mind if I send you a private message? It is pretty scary how people are acting in this thread, its uncomfortable 🙏🙏

 

Yup, knowledge is a scary thing. It is easier to believe what you want, it takes less effort. Then you end up in the hospital with Covid wishing you had gotten vaccinated.

Unfortunately, you can lead a horse to an article, but if they have limited understanding or ability to extrapolate .... (@hilde45 - your fantastic article is skin deep and that comment is more for the others who I have already addressed this with)

 

Most vaccines, on the other hand, are administered before infection and limit replication, which minimizes evolutionary opportunities.

It is like this is a good thing.

 

“I think the scientific community is becoming increasingly aware that vaccine resistance is a real risk,” Kennedy said.

Given all the discussion about the effectiveness of Covid vaccine X on the variant of the day, I would say vaccine resistance is of high awareness. This sounds like a disgruntled researcher.

 

  • You people realize the alternative is death right?
  • You do realize that vaccinated people, the ones that live, get less sick, have less viral load, and are sicker for shorter periods of time. You do understand that means FEWER VARIANTS. I posted a relevant quote above. I will post it again, maybe it will sink in this time. If you don’t understand it, keep reading it till you do.

“The fact on which he bases his argument is that mutations can change epitopes that the immune system has learned from the vaccination, and this gives some selective advantage to the virus. Consequently, in his mind, this would ‘create’ new, more dangerous variants,” he said.

However, Stoilov pointed out that “selection does not cause new variants to emerge; it merely selects some of them.”"

 

We have been using leaky vaccines forever. Every vaccine has been leaky. But over time, we eliminate the disease. Yes, new variants will come out, but they would come out without the vaccine as well, the difference is more people would die along the way. A critical fact you seem to be missing. Ditto you are missing the key factor of we treat the sick leading to higher elimination of even variants.

 

 

It is like nothing changed .... since he wrote that in April 2020.

While better health is questionable in China, major comorbidities in the US w.r.t. Covid are significantly more severe, most of all way higher obesity. The expectation is the US would have higher death rates for all age groups with the exception of health care capacity, but that works in the US not most of the world.

His absolute position was based on very little information and even if we went that route, odds are it would have rapidly changed. The first wave was all old people. In subsequent waves, the hospitals filled with younger and younger people, in the US, the comorbidity of obesity a major issue. Then Delta of course happened and that changed the R0 value by a huge amount.

No doubt there were better ways to address the pandemic, but the good doctor wrote that based on exceptionally small amounts of information. Those that point to Sweden, not that their urbanization is way lower, their transit way less crowded, they have less ethnic large family groups in cities, etc. etc.


It would be nice if even one of you could use your own head and do a critical analysis before posting.

I don't agree with the level of censorship that major platforms were engaging in and are engaging in.

 

However it is important to note that incidence of heart inflammation / myocarditis is many times higher in people who got covid and were not vaccinated. Given the odds of catching covid without controls, arguably though there are incidences of inflammation /myocarditis with vaccines, it would be much higher without them.

@yuviarora ,


In case you have not figured it out yet, i both have access and know my way around academic research:

The paper was retracted for a number of reasons including questionable ethics of the submitter, and it is apparently full of errors, even at the most basic, i.e. the name of the test.

 

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/11/30/abstract-linking-covid-19-vaccines-to-heart-trouble-risk-earns-expression-of-concern/

 

Comment made by someone,

 

I graphed the data from the abstract, it doesn’t support the claims, basically, the inflammatory markers are not elevated. The error bars are very wide and overlap substantially between pre- and post- vax measures, which means there is no meaningful difference between the figures. There is a large range of other issues with the data, but principally they are using an algorithm that is meant to weigh long-term risk factors against the risk of cardiac events, not transient changes associated with infection or vaccination as well as using an algorithm meant for individual risk to estimate group risk without reporting confidence intervals.

 

 

@kitechaser 

Tesla did not invent AC.

Tesla did not invent polyphase.

Arguably he invented the induction motor but built on previous work.

I will only disprove one of your points mahgister, since you appear to have drunk the Telsa cult coolaid.

The Niagara Falls generating station was completed in 1895. Can you at least make it look like you are doing some research?

 

 

The Adams power plant followed an 1886 plan by engineer Thomas Evershed to tap the power of Niagara Falls, which involved a "hydraulic canal" and a 7,500 feet (2,300 m) brick-lined tunnel, when the Niagara Falls Power Company was formed. The Cataract Construction Company, a new company formed to exploit the opportunity, led by president Edward Dean Adams, first formed the International Niagara Commission in 1890 to come up with a plan for harnessing the Falls. The Commission favored electricity, but could not recommend a solution to Cataract.[3]

 

In 1892, George Forbes was hired as a technical consultant and in May 1893 he convinced the company to build a hydroelectric system based on polyphase alternating current. Westinghouse Electric was subcontracted to build 5,000 horsepower (3,700 kW) 25 Hz[4] AC generators, based on the work of Nikola Tesla and Benjamin G. Lamme, while the I. P. Morris Company of Philadelphia built the turbines based on the design of the Swiss company Faesch and Piccard.[

 

Lamme created an efficient induction motor from Nikola Tesla's patents and went on to design the giant Niagara Falls generators

 

If you are going to post stuff, please do at least a modicum of research. I am done with the lot of you. You would be far more at home at 4Chan.

 

Bye Bye Mahgister. Make up whatever version of history you want. Lamme was the senior employee, not Tesla.  It was not the first hydro plant. It was not the first AC plant. It was not the first polyphase plant. It was the first large one at scale, and Lamme was significantly responsible for that, hence why the IEEE gave him awards. Most researched history books agree completely with what I am saying. Pop history books in the last 10 years have been riding that other Tesla coat tail and pumping the former Tesla. In the 70's and 80's, barely anyone mentioned him name other than Tesla coils.

I must say you guys are doing a marvelous job of juggling dumpster fires.

 

I would say starting dumpster fires, but Tesla was still an over rated hack.

@djones51 , you enjoying this alternate universe?  I wonder about the stability of someone who thinks discussing relative military strength is advocating for Nuclear war. Of course, hard to tell if that is just a dishonest, attempt to discredit me or the sign of deeper trouble.

 

p.s. guys, Tesla is still a hack.

Kitechaser,

 

Seriously bud. You have some projection issues. Look at some of what you have wrote. It's pretty unbalanced, highly reactionary, and does not show stable control over your emotions.  You definitely have company.

I consider relentlessly posting things without a nary of due diligence on almost anything you are posting, posting things from people recognized pretty much as frauds, and letting emotions eliminate your ability to take a balanced and accurate view to be arguing in bad faith.  If you are going to do that, you should not expect those you argue with to "play fair". Good faith is a two way street.

Hey whippy, still waiting for your analysis beyond talking points.

Mahgister, I easily poked holes in many of your (and other) claims. It was not hard. When you simply post statement lacking nuance or history into what happened before or who was actually involved, it is easy. Frankly, I should be commended for even finding claims in the pages of what I am sure comes across to many as ramblings. I suggest you would accomplish far more with less, and more succinct and targeted words.