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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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jf47t
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Hi Al

Well many reasonable people do and have disagreed with prof and glupson as you can read for yourself. And to some extent some others who have ducked in and out to expressed their spin on what is a simple OP. If you truly felt this was a "useless thread" I doubt you would have taken the time to post. With internet trolling in audio forums being so prevalent the question needs and has needed to be raised (why fake it?). Most HEA folks have left the scene a few years back in disgust that these forums have become infested with internet trolls and people who talk but don't walk or this thread wouldn't have continued for so long without signs of cooling down.

jf47t
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prof

"Ad nauseam is a Latin term for argument or other discussion that has continued 'to nausea'. For example, the sentence "This topic has been discussed ad nauseam" signifies that the topic in question has been discussed extensively, and that those involved in the discussion have grown tired of it. The fallacy is also called argumentum ad infinitum, and argument from repetition."

You've bored MG off the pages now you're boring me.

jf47t
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LOL we did but the professor couldn’t answer them. I believe him and glupson got stuck on the question "can you hear". If I’m not mistaken prof was wondering if listening was his imagination or something real or some kind of rambling like that. After that most of their talk ended up on the troll pile. Glupson only here cause he "is wasting time" and prof because he wants to get into that old can you really hear it spinOrama.
jf47t
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"Thus far all I have learned is that Tuneland is a very sleepy place and no ideas or help thus far."

Really? I’ve let MG know. I see something different on TuneLand. In the last 24hrs for example I’ve seen posts from Malaysia, Singapore, Norway the US of course and other parts of the world all doing the tune an interacting with Michael and each other.

jf47t
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Not biting prof read the OP. And yes you have not only been asked to calm down by other posters but have also had several of your posts deleted by the mods for being "abusive toward other members". Sorry prof but again this thread gave you the opportunity to be real and you made another choice.
jf47t
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Your hunch is correct Geoff. We (MG, I and the other TuneLand members) have no desire for angry stalkers showing up on our front porches as has been implied on this thread. There are no secrets here just the OP.
jf47t
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"Again..not angry at all. But I’m certainly puzzled why any manufacturer would behave as you have here. It just seems so unnecessary."

Something got your many posts deleted prof. As well the Starsound posts and the kosst posts. Anyone can scroll through the pages and see this is the case, so don't be "fake". That's reality and documented.


jf47t
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Or, maybe some members don't like being stalked by angry axe to grind type of folks.

jf47t
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Hello Onlookers

It's been a month since Michael Green has posted here on page 20. Here's the last thing he posted.

"So anyway I’m very interested to see the next few posts and the agendas of the posters now that I have given the why of the OP." mg

Here's the Talk but not walk? thread on the TuneLand forum.

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t440-talk-but-not-walk-an-audiophile-forum-case-study

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