Sonus Faber Il Cremonese Amp Pairing suggestions


I'm a newbie and this is my first post on an audio forum. I got into the hobby a little over a year ago looking for the best combo for enjoying 2 channel stereo and home theater. Since then, I have upgraded my gear multiple times and now taking a huge leap on my front towers from Lumina V to Il Cremonese.

 

I'm currently running: Anthem STR stereo amplifier (600W/ch to 4ohm) powering Lumina V, AVM90, MCA 525 gen 2 5 channel powering Olympica Nova C2 center and Lumina II surrounds, Wireworld Equinox 8 speaker cables and silver eclipse XLR. I also have 2 JL E112 subs. The STR really brings the Luminva V to life with excellend imaging and clarity with a crossover at 100hz.

Although I love the DAC on the AVM90, I understand a stereo preamp/DAC is a superior solution in the future. I wanted to get the best speaker possible, then build my 2 channel around that by upgrading amps, speaker cables, and preamp. 

I've been told that the STR amplifier isn't sufficient to enjoy the Il Cremonese like they should be played. The Mcintosh MC611 pair and Luxman M10X have both been suggested to be as a solution under $20k. I'm interested to hear if you think the STR would be a "laughable" pairing for the Il Cremonese? And what other suggestions you may have?

I really appreciate your feedback and time! I've enjoyed reading this forum for the past year, but haven't found any threads that exactly address my situation. Thank you!

damusicguy

I currently have the SF Il Cremonese speakers. I listen to classical and some jazz via either a turntable or Rossini apex DAC.

Over the last several years, I have tried several pre-amps and amps.  Until just several weeks ago, I was using the ARC REF6SE preamp.  This was a good, but not excellent, match in that the bass was a little less defined and less impactful (compared to current pre amp as discussed below).  Indeed, I did not realize just how low and controlled the Il Cremonese speakers could present bass.  The ARC midrange was also good, relatively detailed and neither analytical or particularly musical (warm).  Complex classical orchestral music tended to be homogenized.  Sound stage was very wide, and reasonably deep, but pinpointing precisely individual instruments was not its forte.  Treble was also good, but violins tended to be slightly harsh or brittle.

So, I traded for a VAC Master preamp.  It is still in the "break in" period, but what I can say thus far (in comparison to the ARC) is (a) bass seems to extend further, is more articulate,  more impact, never blurry and for double bass (in jazz recording) can easily discern the musician's method of "plucking" the strings or for orchestral, bowing as well. (b) The sound stage is much deeper, and as the unit breaks in, is widening as well.  While VAC presents a very holistic image, you can, if you so desire, pinpoint individual musicians within the orchestra.  (c) the mid range is very full, very musical, but detail remains-- you just don't necessarily notice it unless you really want to (d) venue is very evident, especially live or concert halls; (e) treble is improving daily and losing any harshness or brightness.  Violins are (as the unit breaks in) sounding authentic.  The tonal character of all instruments is clearly presented, even the type of strings on guitars. It is NOT warm as some tube preamps can be, but it is definitely not "cool" either. Its tone seems completely natural as if the instruments are in the room or you are at the venue.

All of this is, of course, dependent on the amp as well.  I upgraded from Rogue Apollo Dark Monos  (which are very good in their own tier and do hit above their price point) to a D'Agostino Momentum MxV stereo (not monos).  This is certainly permitting the character of the VAC to be appreciated as the DAGs are exceptionally taut on the bass, have an amazingly low noise level, no haze, no veil, etc.  With the tube preamp, the DAG is not too analytical, and the combination is very natural without sounding overly warm or cool.  

It is important, however, to recognize that the preamp and amp are only as good as the cabling in-between.  I directly compared Nordost Valhalla 2,  Odin 2 and Shunyata Omega interconnects, power and speaker cables and the differences were extremely noticeable.  In my room, on my system, the Nordost loom seemed veiled, lost detail, did not allow the preamp and amp to present the music as holistically or to allow me to discern detail as readily (when desired).  The shunyata cables were completely transparent in comparison.  Both looms were connected via a Shunyata Everest and dedicated 20A circuit.

Your choice of musical genres is critical because the character of the sound is different for say electronic, hard rock, heavy metal vs classical.  I have no experience outside of classical and jazz, although I have often heard others state that the SF Il Cremonese speakers are really not for heavy metal or similar music.

Incidentally, I have heard these speakers with MAC preamp/amp and feel that MAC is too warm, too ill defined, and does not present the music and instruments as faithfully  in comparison to my combination.  

Hope this helps.  Wishing you the best...  enjoy the music.

@craig Thank you very much for the thorough and well thought out response. Thank you for sharing your experience and describing the different results with different equipment. I have been extremely happy with Wireworld cables so far. With my current STR amp and SF Lumina V setup, the Equinox 8 OCC7N copper cables reveal a lot of detail and clarity. I find them to be tonally natural and all the instruments sound authentic. I currently run Silver Eclipse XLR from Preamp to amp and they do an excellent job conveying the source information. I'm considering moving up to Gold or Platinum eclipse for this jump in speaker quality to get the best I can out of the Il Cremonese. I will report back after I've tried out the new speakers.

I've owned several SF speakers over the past 25 years.  I've had a pair of SF Il Cremonese 7 years.  Until recently I used Ayre's KX-R preamp and VX-R stereo Amplifier with very good results.  Power & Speaker cables are Nordost Valhalla 2 and interconnects are AudioQuest Dragon [XLR].  I recently to decided to go "all digital", as I use my Aurender W20SE exclusively to play back music from its drive as well as streaming from Qobuz.  So 2 months ago, I traded in the Ayres as well as my Luxman D-10x SACD player for a Soulution 760 DAC / Preamp, and Soulution 312 Stereo Amp.  This change has been a revelation in terms of 3-dimensionality, soundstage width and height, and musicality.  I was also very impressed by the 312's grip / control on the bass [deeper and tighter than the "on paper" more powerful Ayre]. I am in the process of swapping the 312 for the more powerful Soulution 511 stereo amp.  

@at0310t Thank you for updating the post with your setup suggestions. I actually finally made a decision on my amp pairing in February and purchased a Burmester 218 stereo amplifier. I absolutely love the clarity, mid-range and vocal focus/imaging, bass control.... This amp has 275wpc with a damping factor of 1600 and demonstrates control of the entire speaker running full range. I'm delighted with the purchase and would recommend this amplifier without any cons that I've heard so far. I loved it so much, I added a Burmester 039 5 channel amplifier for my SF Vox center, Lumina V surrounds, and back channels. 

I'm running Wireworld Silver Eclipse 10 speaker cables with Platinum Eclipse 10 jumpers, Platinum Eclipse XLR, and Platinum Ethernet cable. The biggest surprise is the difference that Platinum eithernet cable makes. As good as everything else is in the system, the ethernet cable cleans up the streaming content to give an extra dark background with more subtle instrumental detail. All my power is cleaned with a Purtan PSM156, but the thernet cable cleaned up the digital signal in a surprising way.

I’ve owned the Il Cremonese speakers and they are excellent. I’ve also owned the anthem STR integrated. I think your anthem will pair just fine with the new speakers, at least for now. You will have plenty of power and my recollection is a nice, natural sound that should do well with the speakers. The speakers are very pleasing and musical, but I don’t think you want an amp that delivers even more warmth or softens the bass. Your anthem should do fine as you consider a new amp. it’s all very subjective, but I would think about something that is transparent and fast