Solid State vs. Tubes - What if Transistors came first?


What do you guys think?

If transistors came first, and then decades later tubes were invented, would we have any tube amps we would call high end?

Wouldn’t they all fail to reach the height of performance and transparency set by transistor amps?

Best,

E

P.S. I love Conrad Johnson. I'm just wondering how  much of our arguments have to do with timing. 
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Maritime51 knows fancy words and uses obtuse quips...he’s so amazing 😍. I love it when he repeats stuff over and over again 🤗. Sometimes he gets his Street on and calls people names or insults them or something they like flat out!  He’s so dreamy 💕  
Lous, great hearing your story.  I tried the Prima Luna as well but found it very underwhelming.  Owned a lot of tube gear and solid state, enjoyed them all but settled on Krell.  Warm enough, great soundstaging and very low noise floor.  Tone and dynamics are great as well.  Tubes have always left a bit of haze over the soundfield to my ears...but they do have great action and micro dynamics...can flesh things out a bit!
andy2 - Possibly, but as a drummer I appreciate crystal clarity up top for cymbals etc...  Also, the excitement and tension between the notes is a big thing for me, and a very quiet noise floor is required.  Ideally I should have 2 systems I guess?  Anyway, it’s all fun and sometimes mood dependent.  As for the Haze, BAD SS could have some as well I guess, but not with well designed stuff.  FYI, I am a big proponent of balanced signal paths, which in my experience sounds so much more Live than single ended.  I want nothing between me and the source sonically.  The gestalt should be that Only air separates me from the musicians.  Sometimes that may be too much for some listeners.
One huge thing I have noticed is that solid state gear responds dramatically to power cord/AC line changes.  I decided to swap my PC’s around on my gear and the results are huge.  Placing a Transparent Reference Gen 5 power cord on my Krell Vanguard allowed the music to expand, become more relaxed, and high frequencies became more a part of the soundstage, rather than being over exaggerated.  Very tube like actually...fuller, warmer and more dimensional.
Perhaps I stated my case inadequately.  What I was inferring was that power conditioning per se can dramatically alter the resultant sound from a SS amp/device.  Tube gear does respond to power quality as well, but does not seem to change its predominant characteristics to the same degree.  I’ve owned a lot of both types over the years.  Just my experience.
I thought that way as well dspr, but recent SS offerings such as my Krell Vanguard really has none of those typical artifacts.  In fact, the last tube preamp I tried from ARC injected just that sort of glare you would equate with SS.  There are obviously ways to offer musical performance in both designs, but just because something is tube based, does not require it to be musical or lacking warts.
Playing with a new Signal Cable Magic Digital HC POWER CORD!!  Using it on my Yamaha SCD 2100 ...immediately a far clearer window on the soundstage.  Hopefully all the other aspects of what I have enjoyed remain and or improve.
Gotta say, the new SC digital HC power cord is settling in nicely.  Openness is amazing with a huge soundstage.  Sax work on Analogue Productions  Chet Baker CD is outstandingly full, articulate and alive sounding!  Dynamics are already sounding as good or better than before, which were already wonderful.  Wow $79 can sometimes offer quite a bang.
Well, after going through my available power cables and playing around with different combinations I have Re-discovered what I already knew...but lost site of!  Systems make music, not any individual technology or design.  My Krell, Yamaha, Totem system with MIT speaker cables/IC’s and Transparent/Pangea/Signal Cable power cords/outlet sounds full, warm and dynamic with liquid highs and absolutely spot on tone!  Zero glare or strain at any level.  Not my most costly system but I’ve been enjoying my music more now than ever before without having to play only audiophile recordings.  Everything shines now!  Perfect?  No.  Extremely involving?  Oh yeah!!