Dear Pettyofficer,
We don't need a professor to teach basic English. Although I am wondering if we need a highly qualified professor in psychology to work out what your angle is?
Your above post and its issues have been answered so many times now.
MP3s you love to bring up. This argument has been answered. Zzzzzzz. Incase you forgot MP3 is about convienience and maximum storage. Not audiophile needs. There are many more advanced data files for that, some lossless and others with more modern data compression algorithms . You have the choice and can always keep your full bandwidth music stored.
As for HDs and their vulnerabilities? So far we have survived. So I can assume you will be able to playback music with HDs for quite some time. Magnetic or otherwise.
Greed and profit? Market? Which country do you live in? Is it the one that has no concept of profit or markets?
Robbed? We are all robbed on some level. Take a look at world history. Most countries were built on it. This is not about a format.
Ever wondered why back in history the British navy was so powerful? Huge chunks of it were paid for by robbing the Spanish gold which they in turn stole from South America. The British went on to build an empire and power their industrial revolution. Shall we move closer to our life time? Who is paying for the 2008 Bank crash? Robbed indeed.
And yes you do pay for the air you breathe. It's paid for by those who went before you (around 2-3 billion years of bacteria and photosynthetic organisms on earth) and also paid for by the eventual break down and decline of your own body. Oxygen is dangerous stuff. It's highly reactive.
Nothing is forever PettyO (except maybe this thread!) |
Thank you Calloway. Although I am not sure I understand your punctuation. "chadeffect..i wouldn't throw too many..."
Why the two full stops after chadeffect?
And surely the "i" should be a capital letter?
How is the glass at your place? |
Pettyofficer,
SSD may help if you are worried. I am sure the magnetic drive will last long enough to be backed up.
I was under the impression that CDs if kept under the correct conditions were said to last 25years. This may refer to the writable ones though. Although I did read that the early CDs could start to flake after a while. If memory serves it was due to the type of black print used on the label side. Anyone else remember that? |
Pettyofficer,
"Why do I feel like I am the only one who lost something here?"
Where is that psychologist? Last time I looked everything you used to have you still have and can still get. You are safe.
Your argument is a storm in a tea cup. Each point you make makes little sence if you think clearly. You do not need to remaster anything. You don't have to rip anything. You are not even the villan. You are just misunderstanding and dare I say a little paranoid.
I wonder what the failure rates on HDs are? In my own experience, and massive solar flares aside, I have had 2 HD failures. But I have had probably 100 HDs so far. So should you go down the HD path, three back ups should keep your library very safe. HDs are cheap enough these days and you will have the original CDs.
There is no "have to" anything. All there is is choice. You can use your CDs. No one is stopping you. I doubt there are that many CDs you want that cannot be found. But as time passes you will have to go to more specialist shops/websites to find them. Again not any Orwellian nightmare, just market forces..
We do not need your blood, or even the air in your lungs. If your wife is pretty and good fun we might take her though! ;-) |
Pettyofficer,
"Low blow on the Wife issue, I will let it pass."
I meant no insult, quite the opposite. It was meant as lighthearted fun. Please except my apologies if offence was taken.
To continue on with these other rather tedious concerns, I think you worry too much. I have yet to see any unresolvable issues in your long replies. Surely after many replies you can see another side to your concerns?
I honestly read your list of issues and most just don't exist. The format thing is irrelevant. These will always be interchangeable/convertible and available. Even if you just keep redbook.
But I do understand this availability problem. It's just a case of knowing where to look. Give us a list of CDs you would really like to find. Maybe I could help track some of them down. If it existed it probably still does somewhere. |
Tbeebout,
an excellent post. Full of clarity. |
PettyO,
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You should cut and paste your answers as they are always the same.
The art of the paragraph is lost on you. Rather like the possibility that computer audio is offering you more than you realise. I feel sad for you. If only you spent less time worrying about sunspots and more time listening. |
Petty o,
"Haven't even found one person who agrees..."
I wonder why? Maybe you should read something into it? 7 pages of you not listening to any advice or experience from others. You don't get it because you never understood what others where trying to explain because you only listened to yourself.
It's all fine. You will still get great music and great quality for many years to come yet. I may even miss those ranting and long replies with no paragraphs.
Happy listening and don't let those sunspots worry you too much. |
PO,
for all your talk I still have no idea what on earth you are talking about?
"No support from major record companies"? You are wrong yet again.
Your premis is as daft as your sunspot fears. Stop posting this nonsense. You sound like the people who were afraid of trains going faster than 30 mph back in the beginning of the steam era.
About 7 pages ago I thought you were missing something and maybe I or someone else could guide or help in some way. I now realise you miss the ability to listen or see another point of view. You are so fixed in your idea about bloody format this and format that, and Microsoft ruining audio and so on that it is impossible to get through to you. You just repeat the same silliness even when the facts have been explained to you by multiple people in multiple posts.
You have failed to see the possibility. The flexibility, the ability to play, or convert absolutely anything within 1 machine. The quality can be as good as the recording. You are pretty much able to play the master as it was originally encoded. A perfect copy. So please stop this nonsense. |
PO,
Nothing is stopping you from buying any format. All formats can be converted into anything you like. Even the 180g vinyl. This is what you don't seem to be getting. Any and all formats are viable to you. As things settle ultimately everything will be a file. For sure all music you are considering at some point in the process is a computer file. Those remasters have all been transferred to a computer to be cleaned and stored.
So your point is mute. Anything you want you can have. If you want to use your computer? Wow then great. If you want to listen to a CD? Great listen to it. You can rip the CD to your HD or whatever you like. Flexible. SACD? well they are being used via computers too now with latest DAC supporting DSD etc. HD downloads etc etc all good. Enjoy. Stop worrying. |
PO, the computer is a tool to empower you. If you cannot see that best go live in a cave. Yet again you have not paid any attention to the posts saying the opposite to you. I see no one else complaining like you. Haven't you noticed? The real bottom line? A real bottom more like.
Never before has a single device allowed you to play, copy, edit, restore, convert, archive, stream your music. Let alone across multiple formats and probably into formats not even thought of yet.
This is the part I don't understand. You go on about loss but I see no loss. If a CD was made then you can have it or find it. Probably the same for any record or tape of whatever too?
Name the music you cannot find. Tell me which CD you cannot lay your hands on? If you cannot find the download you will find the CD. As for really rare vinyl well no change there. Because if you could not find that record back then you still would have to search as you do today. What is different? |
PO,
Disagree with what? Major record label? Why do you always make things so complicated?
You don't seem to understand what I am saying. Whatever format you want or have the music on, can all be stored (copied) onto your computer while retaining the old format you so love. So just buy the CDs you are fond of. Then at anytime you can play either the CD in your player or the copy on your HD.
Surely you can rip your CDs? No recording studio, producers, remixers, mastering etc needed! Ripping CDs via a computer does it on its own (automated) with the exception of possible setting of preferences. You think a pro studio wouldn't rip a CD due to the quality of the rip? I could tell you some stories...
You will be able to do the same ripping process with an SACD too. Ok to record your TT set up takes a little more skill and an investment in a ADDA and some software maybe, but its not impossible either.
A friend of mine brought over some copies he made from his TT to a mid priced pro CDR not long ago. The sound was excellent. Surprisingly so.
If you are concerned about losing music/finding catalogues, the solution is plain. Then when you feel the future is safe enough for you to use your computer only, you will have all your collection anyway. Nicely digitally stored and archived ready for playback and all your vinyl, SACDs and CDs safe in their covers. Why don't you understand this? You need no skills. A five year old could do it. |
Mapman has said it PO! Unlike any other time in history it is probably easier to track down limited availability records & CDs. Whether out of print or not. You can worry about the number 10,000 but its normal.
You could type "out of print and not available as download" if you like, but most sane people would go to specialist sites or contact collectors with a more focused question. Maybe something like " I'm looking for deleted catalogue from Sony jazz record labels" etc.
I find it mind boggling you have this idea it's a format issue. As I have said a thousand times to you now the format is IRRELEVANT. You take which ever rare recording you find & store it digitally. Done. Saved. No sunspots.
As for the market, its how it has always been. Some recordings survive some don't, some get rereleased on compilations and licensed and so on. Do detective work.
But how is this effecting you? Do you want to listen to every record just because it exists?
If you were REALLY the kind of person who CARED about this, you would have built an archive like some people i know and become a resource for rare & difficult to find records. There are many online. Some not totally legal for obvious reasons but enthusiasts. There are some stunning classical archives to be found.
As someone mentioned in an earlier post " what about 78rpm?" In fact I would add that many rare 78 recordings have been saved by being digitized! Many having the noise removed and cleaned of pops and scratches too. How could you complain? You complain because you have made little effort to look or understand by the sounds of it. Chicken or egg indeed? No chicken or egg, no effort, no listening, no idea. Plenty of ranting though.
I find your arguments uninformed. You deflect and never answer or acknowledge good information posted to and for you. But I don't even detect you are playing games. I feel you actually believe what you are posting which is even more worrying!
If you ACTUALLY want to get an definitive answer. Lets do this, put your questions as bullet points rather than long winded rants without paragraphs. I.e Should I worry archiving my CDs to harddrive makes these back ups vulnerable to sunspot damage and data loss? Then you will get clear answers. Then you could reply by saying "Thank you. I have read this xxxxx which seems to prove..." Then we could have a clear adult discussion. |
PO,
Why not just buy CDs and transfer them to an HD?
If you are finding downloads so difficult to find, as has been mentioned
a few hundred times to you now, your computer will play anything you like. unlike any other source in history. |
PO,
you belong to an era that has passed. For better or for worse its all changed. I would say in most ways for the better. Just image listening to a cassette again.
DSD & DXD files now starting to be released as downloads on a few specialist sites. All you have to do is search. Now the word "search" may fill you with dread, but luckily that playback machine called a computer probably has something called google. So you type & it searches. |
PO, are you are record collector? If so then revel in the joy
of looking for rare music. If not shut up. You and uour 10,000 records that have been deleated. Like its something new! Records have their time.
Would you say the same about cars? They stopped making the model T ford and every showroom I go into only has new cars. Why did they stop making the model T? I really want one. |
PO,
the only thing wearing thin is you. Maybe like the 10,000 CDs you go on about you & this thread will disappear too.
You really are nuts. Your argument is stubbornly misguided. Just like your sunspot argument.
You are completely alone in your opinion. Don't you find that strange? I know you have not considered that you have got it wrong. You don't seem the type.
Good luck. |
