Tbg, very nice, however, this seem's to be two system's?, also, you did not list your wpo's, which considering who you are talking to, you should. |
Hi TPG, wpo means, wall power outlet's, you do have alot of equipment, you seem to love music as I do considering your investment, you must have system there in New Mexico?, if not, from what I read, you certainly could have a system there permently, cheers. |
TBG, very impresive, I was also saying, you should list that you have 10 furutech GTX-D R's wpo's in your system equipment compilation you have, which is also impresive, this show's you are convinced enough that the furutech GTX-D R was better to your listening tast that you bought many of them, cheers |
TBG, I am still burning in my second wpo, damn, the first one does not have 400 hrs on it yet, however, I am happy to tell you that the second one has 234 hrs as of friday, I do 10 to 13 hrs a day, the sound has dramtically improved the last two day's, each time I get impressed, it gets better from there, I tell you Norm, that single pole 30 amp breaker I put on the amp that took 17 hrs to burn in made my sound incredible for $5.00, best $5.00 I ever spent in my life, really!, a 20 amp breaker must have been chocking this amp, speed and dynamics, and open sound is off the chart's, I thought about what you said to me Norm about the stock power cable on the amp, I believe putting a furutech FI-50 R on that may do really good? |
TBG, are you talking about the IEC end of the HF power cable?, intersting, what modification was done? |
Hi TBG, Are you talking about the IEC end of the HF power cable?, interesting, Do you know what modification was done? |
TBG, Oh no, I would not take any thing apart, good call, something like this carrol power cord on the krell is easy to do, I will not take the Tara power cord apart either, life time warranty, do not want to void that out. |
Bo1972 my Tara power cord has the oyaide second from the best by them IEC and wall plug, sound's really good, Oyaide is a great company, I will Talk to chris Vanhause of vh-audio and get his opinion before I do a final move here, thank's for chiming in. |
Bo1972, what is the material made of on the oyaide F1/M1, Gold, Rhodium, pallidium,copper, what about the houseing too? |
I agree with Melbguy1, +1 thankyou for your feedback, Bo1972, I have the p-079 wall plug and IEC on the Tara lab's cobalt power cord, sound's really dynamic, does all the audiophile attribute's very good, I am impressed with the oyaide wall plug's and IEC's, however, nothing I have tried beat's out the furutech GTX-D wpo's! |
Bo1972, Are you saying that the oyaide m-1 has organic, warm, sweet full treble detail with air that is better than the furutech fI-50m?, does this oyaide better the furutech with this type of sound? |
TBG, that's a good review you did, I am impressed that you are a pro reviewer,I would assume that you got free or a really good discount on the high-fidelity cable's for such publicity for them, nothing wrong with that at all Norm, as exspensive as this hobby is, why not do what we can to get what we want, cheers. |
Melbguy1 and Bo1972, I said I was going to E-mail Chris venhaus at vh-audio about wall plug's, here is his quick response, quote-
Chris Venhaus
In my experience, the FI-50 is the better connector. Pure copper is much more conductive than Beryllium copper. DonÂ’t get me wrong, the M1/F1 combo is very nice, but for natural presentation and superb micro/macro dynamics, I prefer the FI-50. In fact, IÂ’d take the FI-28 IEC over the F1. That said, I can see where the M1/F1 might be very synergistic for some peopleÂ’s systems, and as is the case with many parts/components in this hobby- everyoneÂ’s opinion can be different, and also be correct ;-)
I just think the FI-50 offers a bit better value, as well.
Best regards,
Chris VenHaus
VH Audio, Inc: www.vhaudio.com
V-Cap: www.v-cap.com
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Bo1972, which furutech FI-50M did you have, Gold or the Rhodium?, this make's a substantial difference. |
LOL! Bo, Good thing I use all Rhodium!, hey, which wall plug under discussion here sounded the most transparent? |
Hi Melbguy1, I do not understand why Chris said he uses both the gold and Rhodium in his system, I tried that, it was horrible!, they worked against each other, a real train wreck, weeks of testing revealed someone can only use one version or the other through out a system, atleast that is what happened to my system any way, also, Chris was dead wrong about what his recommendation's were for my system, The Rhodium over and over again was the clear winner on my solid state amp and tube/solid state Hybred digital cd-player that run's direct to amplification, extrodinary transparent hugely, I do not believe at this point untill I do more auditioning that one would have to use the same wall plug's through out, just the wpo's. |
Bo1972, that was some of the funniest humor from you in a long time, I get it!,you said, The difference is quite clear!! |
Melbguy1, hey, I am serious about how much more the veils was lifted with the Rhodium version's of the furutech GTX-D wpo's over the Gold version, that is what happend on my system, and yes, Chris know's that I am useing a tube cd player direct to amp, even before I bought any thing from him, I understand that both have the same base metal, that is where it end's, for some odd reason, the R version cost more money than the Gold version,I did extensive agonizeing test of changeing out wpo's of four different kind's 25 to 30 time's, week's of making sure what to buy, as I said, the Rhodium version won every time on my system, solid state and tube hybred solid state front end, btw, I do like the way palladium sound's that oyaide uses, cheers. |
Hi Melbguy1, Chris told me on the phone before I did all these direct comparisons that the Gold version was suited for any kind of digital, even if it was a tube based machine,also, the krell sound's better with the Rhodium, however, I admitt, I do like the treble better with the gold wpo's, it's a trade off, everything else sound's alot better, litterally veils up-on veils were taken out of the sound, the way the Rhodium does vocal's and mid-range snare drum's, mid-range in general was the decideing factor for my choice, the most realistic vocal's I have ever heard, Melb, I really believe these wpo's have more to do with one's cable's than solid state or tube's, you know my amp in it's orginal state before I had it modded was kinda of a transparent dark sound, now it's extrodinary transparent with the GTX R and the modds, also, you may be very well correct about staying with the same wall plug as the wpo, the reason I believe you can mix the wall plugs, is because I have a mix currently to decent prevail, like I said, when I tried that on the wall power, it was an incredible disaster, it was worse than useing the $6.00 industrial 20 amp wpo I took out, and the $.50 house wpo combo, melb, as good as your speaker's are, transparent!, you likly done the correct move with the Gold, will add some balance that should be appealing. |
TBG, thankyou for the reply, must be nice to have alot of equipment to do such review's, I do like stereo time's quite alot, they did a really good review on my amp beating out pass Lab's and Roland back in 2003, would be good if krell would get back to those glory day's of the golden age of audio. |
To make thing's clear here, The wife gave me an interesting understanding of Rhodium and Gold, The gold was $49.27 a gram, and Rhodium is $750.00 a gram, I am shocked that furutech does not charge double the amount of money for the R version over the G version, and Rhodium is a member of the platinum family of metal. |
I am going to following you swampwalker, I do not want no part of this! |
wow!, there you go folk's, there you see him for who he really is!, any one who say's that I do not hear what I do and did has lost all concept of reality!, see ya! |
Hi melbguy1, yes, I have changed out the binding post and replaced some cap's inside the speaker's, it is however, a work in progress, to be clear here, I have started all the way from scratch building a system from 2012, it is my opinion, I am not doing to bad, do you remeber when you started out?, took you a few year's to get where you are now, correct?, that is where I am, hope you understand, thankyou. |
Hi Michelzay, I have known about the above review for a few month's, I liked the review so much that it was my inspiration to get the furutech GTX-D Rhodium and Gold to audition for week's and with different industrial wpo's, this was the biggest pain in the aXX that I have ever encounterd in hi-end audio, I never want to go through that again, so to me the reviewer of the review of wall power outlet's here went through an incredible amount of trouble to give all of us his impression's, I respect and believe his review based up-on that I went through almost the same amount of hard work for my decision to use for a wpo on my system. |
swampwalker, yes, TBG is the reviewer, you are not confused! |
Bo, there is threads about many different equipment that does not never stop, give's us something to do, and share audio knowledge with each other, I am not here for personal benefit either, where other's do have a benefit by keeping their thread going. |
I agree with your very last post Bo, exactly how I build!, your quote,why you need to adapt the other tools to create a musical involving sound, my quote, I believe power should be the most transparent sounding as possible, a good basis to build off of to create your own tast of sound of music. |
my post was an extensive hard ache testing that was crazy to have to go though to the begin with, it's an absolute to everyone, this kind of difference was substantial! |
This is in agreement to my finding's!, January 2014
Audiophile AC Power Outlet Comparisons
Oyaide, Synergistic Teslaplex, ACME, Hubbell IG 5362, cruzeFIRST Audio Maestro, and Furutech GTX.
Review By Jonathan Lo
Most audio reviewers dislike writing cable reviews, especially if it involves comparing multiple cables, since the amount of time, effort, and concentration required makes it a laborious challenge. What is even more onerous? It has to be audiophile AC outlet comparative reviews because changing out outlets to compare outlet A to B to C, then back to A severely tests one's perseverance, patience, memory, and sanity. There is good reason one does not see this type of reviews very often, but it has to be done, so here it is.
The reason one cannot simply ignore AC outlets in the audio system is that they can make rather large differences in sound quality, as much as different cables, tubes, and even entire audio components can make. The fact these audiophile outlets tend to be relatively affordable compared to major components is the other reason audiophiles should experiment with them to find ones that synergize with their systems. However, it would be a mistake to assign absolute rankings to various outlets and expect the same results for different people's systems and tastes, so this article is an attempt to describe some sonic characteristics and personalities that others may find useful when they decide to choose outlets they would like to experiment with. In order to maximize the ease of comparison as well as to preserve consistency and repeatability, the outlets were installed in my DIY outlet boxes, which enabled fast switching.
Oyaide SWO-XXX
There has been a lot of ink spilt over Oyaide outlets. Since many audiophiles have tried the SWO-XXX and are familiar with their sound, they may be a good reference for comparing sound signatures. SWO-XXX, which is often thought of as their "palladium" outlet, utilizes highly polished deoxidized phorphor bronze as base metal, which is plated with 1.5 micron thick gold, then again plated with 0.3 micron of palladium. Oyaide has since come out with SWO-XXX Ultimo, which uses the same base metal and plating, without a clear explanation of what exactly has changed. Comparatively, SWO-DX series uses the same base metal plated with silver, then rhodium, while SWO-GX series is basically gold over gold, resulting in extra thick (2 micron) gold coating.
Audiophiles who have not experimented with "audiophile" AC outlets may be shocked at first to hear the sonic difference between a normal household AC outlet and Oyaide SWO-XXX, especially as the quality of AC outlets seems to keep going down in these new track homes being built. SWO-XXX will redefine what a mere outlet can do for "air" and "smoothness" in a system. There is oodles of air cushioning each sonic note and performer, seemingly lifting them upwards in the soundstage, while traces of brittleness, hardness, and grit are removed, resulting in a more liquid, smooth textures. Having a good amount of experience with palladium or platinum based conductors and cables, I recognize the great air and speed as a trait shared by both materials, usually with palladium sounding softer and smoother than platinum which tends to be airy yet more immediate, less soft. The final layer of palladium gives Oyaide R1 its unique flavor of smooth liquidity, which numerous audiophiles have loved and settled in with.
All is not perfect, however, as when one part of the sonic spectrum is so spectacularly noticeable, long-term listening usually bears out issues elsewhere. In the case of SWO-XXX, there is a sense that quite a bit of editorializing has been done to the sound, akin to photo's that have had slightly too much "photoshopping" done to them. One keeps thinking "this recording shouldn't sound this liquid" or "that note was never that airy." Also, the deep bass foundation appears to lose a bit of quantity and aggression. Now, many systems out there sound the exact opposite, i.e. rolled-off highs with dry textures and overblown bass, in which case SWO-XXX will do wonders to push those parameters the other end. SWO-XXX can certainly be an impressive life-saver for many systems out there, but as usual with these tweaks, try in your own system before deciding.
Oyaide R1
After the SWO series have become very popular, Oyaide rolled out the R1 as their premium AC outlet. While the SWO series starts out with phosphor bronze as the base metal, R1 uses beryllium copper as the base metal. What's the advantage of beryllium copper? To quote Be Cu Manufacturing Co, Inc:
"This malleability provides outstanding precision for critical miniature parts. However, unlike pure copper, beryllium-copper can be heat treated to harden the alloy into an extremely strong and durable metal. Stamped and formed shapes, such as springs, retain their performance characteristics for long spans of time. The inclusion of up to 2% of beryllium to copper enables the alloy to retain high electrical conductivity. Equally important, heat-treated beryllium-copper features excellent dimensional stability, fatigue resistance and corrosion resistance. Its strength is greater than ordinary copper alloys and many steels."
Oyaide takes beryllium copper, polishes it highly, then plates it with platinum, then again with palladium. Basically, R1 uses platinum plating instead of gold plating stage of SWO-XXX while outside stays palladium. Platinum and platinum alloys in past have struck me as having a bit more immediate, resolved nature compared to palladium while still leaning to the fast, neutral mien instead of warm and romantic like gold. This trend bears out for R1, which sounds significantly more resolved, less soft, and less ethereal than SWO-XXX. There is more definition to images and more bass foundation compared to SWO-XXX. While many loved SWO-XXX after its release, there were some grumblings on the ‘net talking about how SWO-XXX was too cool or lean in their systems. The R1 should fit in more comfortably into many more systems, providing meaningful improvement over generic outlets. Compared to something more upfront and vivid like Teslaplex, R1 still has the Oyaide signature of refinement and liquidity, just not to the same degree as SWO.
Synergistic Research Teslaplex
The outlet under comparison is the original Teslaplex, which has since evolved into Teslaplex SE, which has different material for the back strap apparently. Reading about the Teslaplex outlet on the Synergistic Research website will likely cause a non-audiophile to burst into laughter or question whether it's April Fool's:
"The Synergistic Research TESLA Plex SE is our Quantum Tunneled duplex outlet. Quantum Tunneling is a process that changes the way a conductor works at the sub atomic level, impacting the entire TESLA Plex SE assembly. By applying a two million volt signal to each individual unit, at a specific pulse modulation and an ultra-high frequency, for an exact duration of time, we transform the outlet at the molecular level. This process is also performed on all TESLA Series cables, from Accelerator to Apex. The ‘before and after' is startling, with a lower noise floor and improvements in inner detail, air, low frequency extension, and overall transparency."
Yup, it's a tough pill to swallow even if you are an audiophile. Frankly, there is a lot of language on Synergistic's website that describes some incredulous stuff like active shielding for cable, "quantum" fuses, EnigmA valve power supply for active shielding, and Acoustic Art room resonance control cups. Putting all the baggage aside for a moment, the jist of Teslaplex seems to be zapping an outlet with very high voltage (two million volts) to change its sound. Well, what does that do?
Apparently, the extreme-voltage zapping really makes Teslaplex sound clear, vivid, and involving. This is not a ethereal, warm, or forgiving outlet; instead, it's very "open," super-resolving, crisp, dynamic, and engaging. In some systems that already accentuate upper-mids and lower-treble, it may even come across as unforgiving and bright, but in well-balanced systems, it is all about throwing away that veil and making music come alive. Perhaps because it tends to enhance edge-definition and highlight outlines, it seems to present more defined images to voices and instruments compared to outlets like Oyaide and ACME.
Its personality tends to suit tube-based systems better, especially the single-ended triode variety, when the main voice or instrument is helped to project energetically into the room with exciting clarity and bite. Still, as usual, one will need to be careful which components would work best with Teslaplex and how many is too many in one system.
ACME Audio Silver Plated Outlet
ACME Audio Labs outlet is definitely an "oldie but goodie." ACME takes the Pass and Seymour 5242 outlets, silver-plates the metal parts and screws, then cryo-treats whole thing. The ACME outlet has been around a very long time, and while many other audiophile outlets have been brought to market since, it still sounds excellent while maintaining a budget price. The main hurdle to enjoying the ACME is the seemingly ridiculous amount of time it takes to break in, and it's probably a good idea to just install them into other rooms, connect some lights, refrigerator, etc, and just forget about them for a few weeks before actually installing them into the audio system.
If hastily installed and listened to right away, the ACME will likely introduce the proverbial Audio Hell to the owner, who will likely be disappointed and give up on this great outlet before the good stuff starts. At first, music will sound rigid, bright, rough, without any natural flow, and over the next few weeks, there will be a rollercoaster ride of improvement here and there while some things take a step forward then a step backward. When all said and done, the ACME presents a clear, resolute view into the recording with superb dynamics and definition. While it's probably not an outlet to use to soften and hide system faults, it will likely secure a place in a system, perhaps to feed some good tube amps, while another outlet that's a little more forgiving feeds the digital source, for example. It's difficult to beat the price-to-performance ratio of ACME outlets in this day and age when boutique outlets can cost an order of magnitude more.
Hubbell IG 5362 Double Cryo'd AC Outlet
Hubbell IG 5362 should not be confused with the regular Hubbell 5362. "IG" stands for Isolated Ground, and this model also happens to be built from phosphor bronze, which is very rare in non-audiophile, off-shelf outlets.
Unlike the ACME, which took an extremely long time to settle down, the Hubbell sounded good right out of the box and didn't exhibit much "nasties" during break-in. Compared to a "normal" household outlet, both IG5362 and ACME cleared away a veil, removing a ‘wooly gauze' over music. Images snapped into focus with better 3-D density. Bass was warm and popped with authority when called for, but not cyborg-uptight. While it is possible to imagine a system that is very rough around the edges that may benefit from the defocusing effect of a "regular" outlet, in order to extract that last 10% from the system, strategic use of good outlets is a must.
Compared to the double-cryo'd Hubbell, the ACME seemed to have a slight amount of glare and hardness riding on top of upper-midrange to low-treble area, which is an effect very similar to silver-plated solid-core copper wire relative to plain copper. It's not very noticeable with most music, but with music containing lots of energy in this area, such as a trumpet or female vocals at top of the range, there's a certain "tearing" effect with the ACME. Luckily, having used the ACME outlets for many years in various rooms, I can report that when they are truly well-used, like many months, this hardness eventually disappears, leaving a nicely extended, dynamic, clear-sounding outlet, if not exactly forgiving.
When thus fully burned-in, ACME can demonstrate what may be a bit of a problem with double-cryo'd Hubbell, which is a mild attenuation of frequency extension at the extreme top and bottom. IG 5362 probably has the most rich and bloomy midrange of all the outlets mentioned here, a delight and an almost tube-like response curve. Certain solid state or class-D amps with strong top and bottom response but somewhat reticent midrange may in fact pair beautifully with the Hubbell, as well as digital front-ends that exhibit similar subjective response. My personal reference systems revolve around tubes and refined digital sources, which is the reason my system synergizes better with Teslaplex and ACME.
cruzeFIRST Audio Maestro Outlet
cruzeFIRST Audio takes a completely different approach to audiophile outlets compared to a company like Oyaide. Their Maestro outlet eschews any plating, which cruzeFIRST Audio strongly believes benefits the unobstructed power flow. Instead, they concentrate on starting with sound materials by the way of commercial-spec outlet made to their specifications with high-purity copper/brass alloy. This is not a simple off-the-shelf outlet one can buy anywhere. This outlet then undergoes precise deep cryogenic treatment, special coating to reject RFI / EMI, then mechanical dampening applied. That's not all, as it then goes through a two-week break-in process before being sealed into its packaging.
The very first thought that occurred when plugging into the Maestro outlet was how supremely clean it sounded. It's not so much that other outlets did not sound clean before; many of them certainly sounded quite clean, especially when compared to run-of-the-mill household outlets. However, Maestro outlet seemed to open a new level of clean sonics that's revealed best in direct comparison. The lack of any plating may have something to do with this impression, among other factors, as there was almost a subliminal sense of less "stuff" between my ears and the music signal, less make-up and gloss being placed on music. This meant that less-than-perfect recordings with passages with some irritating texture or peaky brightness came through without these imperfections being thrust into one's face. They are still there but not as aggravating, which allows a deeper relaxation into one's favorite tunes, a boon for sure.
The second thought that came into mind was how delightfully natural the Maestro sounded. "Natural" is not exactly a heart-pounding, exciting description and is easily lost in the sea of audiophile verbiage; but it also happens to be one of the toughest attributes to achieve in an audio component. Take for example the Teslaplex, which at times comes across as more spot-lit, exciting, and engaging, which is a pleasing effect for many systems out there. Unfortunately, with certain recordings, it can have almost a "crispy" type of brightness which is unpleasant and distracting. The Maestro presents the performers a bit less forward and less thrusted toward the listener, more properly set back within the soundscape. There is less tension in the audio frequency "presence region" with the Maestro as well as a bit more natural bloom and weight in the mid-bass; as a result, some tracks that are overcooked and close-mic'ed are more enjoyable via Maestro, but all without losing true resolution or detailing because they are just slightly less forward. In fact, it is evident that the Maestro is neutral and natural enough to fit into a vast majority of audio systems out there without throwing off the system balance way too much, which cannot be said about many other audiophile outlets out there.
Some audiophiles might not be very impressed by an outlet that is described as "clean and natural," but that would be a mistake. The Maestro clearly has been painstakingly tweaked and optimized to arrive at those underappreciated goals, and what is truly wonderful is this outlet sounds natural because it is transparent, not because it smooths over details. It seems kind of odd to call an outlet transparent, but the Maestro certainly deserves that credit.
Furutech GTX-D Rhodium Outlet
The Furutech GTX-D is built like a jewel and sounds like it, too. Unfortunately, such quality does not come cheap, and those who are used to $1 light-weight, plasticky outlets used in most large residential developments these days may be somewhat shocked by the $239 price tag for the Furutech GTX-D Rhodium. Going straight to the source, Furutech, there are reasons their top-of-the-line outlet costs what it does.
In an ideal world, pure copper would be used for power connectors and outlets, but unfortunately, pure copper is quite soft and malleable, which would deform and loosen over repetitive use, leading to a potential disaster for AC power chain. This is the reason most power connectors and receptacles are made with materials with worse conductivity such as brass or phosphor bronze. Furutech has developed a technique that allows the use of their best conductor material, Alpha-treated pure copper, as the base conductor. Alpha-copper means being blessed with Furutech's patented cryogenic treatment and demagnetization process, good enough to be used in Furutech's premium signal cabling products. This copper is strengthened with nonmagnetic stainless steel spring system that maintains a very firm grip on power blades while avoiding damages to male connector blades. These receptacles receive the world-renowned Furutech rhodium or gold plating, becoming (r) or (g) versions of GTX-D.
Attention to detail does not stop there, and in order to minimize vibration and resonance, the receptacle body is made from a heavy-duty composite of nylon and fiberglass, which is impregnated with carbon powder and "piezo nano" ceramic. This technique is used to convert mechanical resonance into heat while performing shielding duties from EMI. Some of the other features include a curved pressure clamping system that increases surface contact area between the electrical line and the receptacle, accommodation for either spades or bare wire, special protective clamp cover, patented wire clamping system, nonmagnetic stainless steel mounting strap, and an anti-resonant rear dampening clamp.
If still not convinced regarding the price, one just needs to hold the GTX-D in his hand to realize this has to be the best built, most sturdy, meticulously thought-out, non-resonant piece of audio outlet available. Every moving part, screw, strap inspires confidence that this jewel will last for generations and still deliver. If still not convinced, one only needs to listen to it. Before listening to the Furutech, I was initially worried the rhodium plating may sound too analytical, which is the somewhat accepted reputation for rhodium; the corollary is that gold plating yields warm and euphonic sound. This description somewhat matches my previous experiences with these plating methods with other products, but GTX-D (r) managed to walk the fine line between resolution and warmth, while definitely avoiding any hash, grit, sheen, brightness, or harshness.
GTX-D achieved the highest levels of both resolution and smoothness, something usually not seen together in one product. If one switched from the $1 house outlet to GTX-D, the staggering amount of previously-unheard resolution, clarity, and dynamics will likely be startling to the listener. All that extra information and energy is delivered in a defined, controlled way, without various sound bites getting out of control and ragged as can happen with lesser outlets. Bass is not overblown or obscuring; instead, it is tight, defined, and extended with energetic dynamic punch. Tiny sounds from various nooks of soundstage come alive with crystalline and pure delivery while instrument positioning, layering, and depth become effortlessly obvious. To make matters worse (?), GTX-D delivers a gorgeous, tasteful, 3-dimensional solidity in the all-important midrange without going overboard with overly round and thick presentation. This outlet is not held back by a overly "balanced" but boring presentation with polite, reticent midrange presence, either. The voices have superb reach into the room and soundstage, vivid and forward enough to be engaging while not overcooked, especially in the sibilance and presence region.
What are the flaws? Well, Furutech must have a reason for making the gold plated version of GTX-D as well for a different flavor. Some of the Furutech vendors recommend the rhodium version for neutral to warm systems, probably with tubes, which may mean the gold version, may fit better in neutral to cool systems. Not having the GTX-D Gold in house to compare to Rhodium, it is difficult to say for sure, but going by prior experience with gold vs. rhodium plating, one might presume that GTX-D (g) might have a warmer tonality with possibly more bass quantity, albeit with less tightness. It may also have more forgiveness but not as much detail resolution. Would that make (r) version any less worthy and flawed? Any well-heeled audiophile would already know that systems are different and that one does not fit all. One outlet may serve a certain type of system better while the other outlet may synergize a little better with a different type of system, with final results heavily being dependent on the listener's personal tastes as well. Once again, there is no substitute for actually trying the product in one's own system, and for those audiophiles who are willing to pay the tariff and do the hard work, the Furutech should be on the rather short list.
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I am going to say this once, my speaker's are NOT some $695.00 speaker's!, They are a highly modded pair of $2,000.00 JBL L-7 speaker's, I have way more money than this retail of $2,000.00 in these speaker's, I have said this to you many time's before,stop! |
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Melbguy1, That is an odd assement that you believe I could not hear a substantial difference between the furutech GTX-D Rhodium and Gold, you have never listened to my system, the difference was big enough I made my decision on what I wanted to have, maybe you should a/b the two wpo's, you may be suprised that their is a substantial difference, I understand some may prefer the gold, you will never know untill you did what I have, audition the both of them for a month or so, you may end up still liking the gold better, who know's, we each prefer diferent sound from one to the other, that's like I cannot really comment about your speaker's against some JBL speaker's, I have never had both in my system to hear what work's best to my liking, cheers. |
Michaelzay, so you did get those outlet's you told me about in earlier post, how is that working out?, can you tell me about your impression's, thankyou. |
melb, Michaelzay is a well seasoned audiophile I respect, he know's more about outlet's and connector's than the both of us do!, I have garnished alot of info from him, he helped me!, If I were you, ask him question's about all of this, he is my teacher, he has not been wrong thus far, though on connector's, pending on the componet sound, not tube or solid state, he has mixed to good success. |
Hi michaelzay, I look forward to you finding's, oh, your welcome about the kind word's, keep me posted, I enjoy learning. |
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TBG, That is odd that you posted those comment's, coming from someone who only own's Rhodium connector's and outlet's, and has told me numerous time's that Gold to you was inferrior to Rhodium by a large margin, I trusted you, and you were correct!, I trust my own finding's, most here have not a/b testing furutech GTX-D Rhodium and Gold like I have, I had both here for week's, no, I am not saying that Rhodium is for everyone, but to tell me that their is very little difference between the two when I heard a substantial difference does not make any sence, I take opinon's as a basis to investagte and try my self in my system, so the science is that I tried both and had my preference, it does not matter to me what anyone else uses, I like the Gold version, not bad, However, the Gold sounded very veiled compaired to the Rhodium version for outlet's, connector's are a different story, I have no exsperience with them yet, so I cannot give an opinon other than what certain metal's sound like, cheers TBG. |
I have never owned an Ayon cd-s2 cd-player that blew up in any electrical storm ever!, I had one of these units that blew up by way of unreliabilty within less than 90 days, the unit had infant tube failure which in turn blew out the power supply board, the dealer wanted to charge me $300.00 to fix it, the unit was under warranty, so I got a full refund for what I paid for the unit brand new from the dealer, this is the las time I need to tell you that, I have said this to you 20 times over the last year and a half, and as far as my system goes, it is one of the most musical transparent systems I ever listened to any where, my system is so transparent, I gurantee you, I can litterally move my cables around and hear a significant change in sound!, much less different outlets, and again for the last time, my speakers are NOT some $695.00 speakers!, I have alot of money tied up into these speakers, you need to stop tring to discredit me!, you are wrong with your claims, they do not exsist! |
I agree with you michaelzay, the topic of this thread is connectors and outlets, I do not desire to be the topic, there is no reason for it, I have heard a substantial difference between the furutech GTX-D Gold and Rhodium on my system with many other family members, to tell me that is impossible is right out odd and strange!, you are the one who has no merit here about the difference of these two outlets, you have NEVER auditioned the two for weeks in your system, I have! |
whatever!, go ahead, a/b the outlets then come tell us your impression's, then, I can say, I told you so, I recommend that you do it instead of argueing that I cannot hear a difference, also, I have never told anyone that my old player was damaged in an electrical storm ever, there would have been far more damage than infant tube failure and a power board to the power supply to go out, really! |
you need to leave me alone!, I have not said nothing out of the way to you!, this was a very good thread until you came here to try to discredit me, I have every right to talk about these outlets that I spent weeks a/b ing,I made my pick on what works for me, do what works for you, that is all that matters! |
Your system is not resolving or neutral enough to do that. It's like the blind leading the blind.Really!, I can hear a fly's wing's flap in the back ground of the music, I can hear the pages turn on the music book listening to classical, jazz, etc.., oh my mistake, $70,000.00 retail system, you go ahead and believe what ever fantasy world you live in, you have never listened to my system!, if you do not stop posting false info on me that is absolutley not true, I will report you!, if you think I cannot hear a substantial difference between outlet's on my system, something must be wrong with you, I am done talking to you!, you live in a different world, remember what I said here, one more time, and see what happens!, go about your bussiness and I will do the same, see ya! |
Hi Bo1972, The laser is an intersting idea, I have often found that what you have said about walls is really true, I to have measured the walls to be out here and there, getting speaker placement to be exact with both speakers equals a consistant sound stage, congrats Bo for a job well done, thankyou for the kind words, cheers. |
Hi Jmcgrogan2, have you tinkered with any after market outlet's?, if so, what is your preferance's? |
Hi Lak, +1 in agreement with your post. |
Lak, did you get done with burn-in of your Furutech GTX-D R wpo's?, have you ventured off into connector's yet? |
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Michelzay, so what did you end up doing my friend? |
Michelzay, how have you been?, do you have any up-dates on what you are doing? |
