Quantum Science Audio Thread

"voltage conditioning process" ??????

Really! fuse can do this🤦‍♂️

I'm a little late to this party, but I can attest that adding 2 SR Orange fuses
(1 to my preamp, and 1 to my amp) literally left my jaw hanging open.

Really!  a fuse will do this🤦‍♂️


Wouldn't surprise me if Synergistic Research and Quantum Science Audio, are one in the same, now that SR has fallen from favor and Quantum is the new cheaper snake oil fuser on the block.

All that the members need to know that are thinking of buying into this fuse snake oil is

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

I ask what can be done to that 10mm of fuse wire, by these companies that have no technical credibility at all

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH FUSERS ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George

                          "THE TRUTH ABOUT $$$$ FUSES HURTS DOESN’T IT"
                            Especially to the fuse shillers boss’s 2000% profit margins.

cerberus79A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member. To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference. I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference. Im not picking a side here as I don’t give a care what people spend their money on, just relating my experience.

oregonpapa4,644 posts08-17-2021 12:03am
If you can’t hear the difference between a stock fuse and an SR Orange fuse, I’d suggest seeking out a different hobby.

If you can, I suggest you seek medical help immediately!.

jasonbourne52
oldhvymec: "There is ZERO Nano arcing after it settles."
LOL! You have got to be making this up! "Nano arcing" - another term added to the pseudoscience lexicon!

Oh yes, they got some great ones here, that the $$$$ hungry shady boutique fuse companies make up and feed these guys, so the get their 1000% markup on the 10cent fuse they sell them.
This sort of thread should not be allowed, as it is not on other more technically believable audio forums.

Cheers George

Just the same responses from the same gang of shillers for fuses that have 1000% profit margin, no overheads no technical degrees, just click and collect the cash.
No wonder they are hard at it, no legit business model makes that kind of profit margin legally. It's a scam of the highest order in audio. Audiogon needs to look closely at this like over at diyaudio, and purge it from these pages.

All potential purchasers need to do is read and do this:

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all it is).

Ask what can be done to that 10mm piece of fuse wire, by these companies that have no technical credibility at all, and can't give any.

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH FUSERS ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George


 

You got that so right  mapman


A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH THESE FUSERS, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George

mapman19,414 posts
All fuses are very profitable. Always have been always will be. I’ve sold a few and seen the markup. This just takes it to the nth degree. If audiogon were a convenience store the $100 fuses would be in the checkout aisle for impulse buyers right next to the snicker bars.

Yep, again, a huge rort ( noun 1.INFORMAL•AUSTRALIAN a fraudulent or dishonest act or practice)
Selling a $0.50 fuse for >$150 is better than getting in on the ground floor of Afterpay when it was launched.

It’s not very often you see that kind of profit margins, especially from "back yard snake oil fuse" sellers with no overheads selling direct to the gullible with not even any middle men, save for the shillers for them here on Audiogon. (and this will only hurt Audiogon in the long run)

Go to a forum where the heavy hitters of this audio industry are, like Nelson Pass John Curl etc etc etc at diyaudio.com and see what happens to fusers over there.

Cheers George.

It ’s only for the non technical, has not been named to anyone personally, unlike you do, BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!

oldhvymec
George NEVER EVER tried an after market fuse.. That’s hardheaded, and sure doesn’t contribute, to repeat it over and over.

Try it THEN complain..:-)

Time to feed the chickens..

There’s only one answer for your dig at me

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH THESE FUSERS, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George

Oh! ok, seeing you addressed me personally, you need something to whinge about, here ya go!!


There are plenty of the correct forums for you to visit
https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+oil+forums&oq=snake+oil+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.7881j...

https://www.google.com/search?q=voodoo+forums&oq=voodoo+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j15&a...

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT THESE FUSERS SAY IT WILL DO FOR THE SOUND, EVER!!! LET ALONE BEING DIRECTIONAL!!!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Every side has to have it's say on every page, because one side is just snake oil

No, it's call protecting your own interest.

cerberus79
A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member.
To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference.
I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference. Kind of just says it all doesn't it?

To those non technical thinking of purchasing these $$$ fuses. Just save your $150+ and do this instead.

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested in "maybe" wasting their money, do not listen to the non-technical, listen to the technicians of this industry that design the audio products you have and listen to. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT SAID HERE ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!
Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK (even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers George

Yeah this forum "misc-audio", is short for misguided audiophiles.


It just bazar that grown men can be so gullible as to believe in this        . They're probably all Scientologist or some weird cult, that one geoffkiat (forever gone) used to belong to that used to be the same here and now these            seem to have taken over from him.

Cheers George

Tammy says this removal is not by mods, it’s by multiple reports from members, and this is now being watched as to see who has the multiple memberships to get it removed so fast???
And it will just keep going up till someone is exposed with the multiple memberships.

cerberus79
A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member.
To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference.
I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference. Kind of just says it all doesn't it?

To those non technical thinking of purchasing these $$$ fuses. Just save your $150+ and do this instead.

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested in "maybe" wasting their money, do not listen to the non-technical, listen to the technicians of this industry that design the audio products you have and listen to. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT SAID HERE ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!
Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK (even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers George

cerberus79
A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member. To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses.
I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference.
I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference.
Kind of just says it all doesn't it?

To those non technical thinking of purchasing this fuse Just save your $150+ and do this instead.

 A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).
To those "non technical" members that are interested in "maybe" wasting their money, do not listen to the non-technical, listen to the technicians of this industry that design the audio products you have and listen to.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT SAID HERE ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!
Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers George

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the technicians of this industry that design your audio products that you have.

AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH THESE FUSERS ABOUT THE SONIC IMPROVMENT DETAILS, AND EVEN MORE ABSURD, AC MAINS FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION!!

Just do this before spending your hard earned dollars, and giving it to these very suspect website outlets .

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George

It's fact, and your fiction

Really, you know more than those guys

Like Nelson Pass John Curl etc etc etc at diyaudio.com
See what happens to you over there with your fuser spiel, you got it soft here with the like of me and others.

You mean "bump"

@cerberus79
I rarely post anything here. I did so this time because I had direct experience on the topic and reported it in a factual and non judgmental fashion. My reward was to be called a lier by one member and told I was in the wrong hobby by another ( I have been in this hobby for 49 years ). I am and always have been in this hobby for the enjoyment of music. I once got into a discussion with Geof Kait on the directionality of fuses and realized

You/we are lucky GK has disappeared (or been banned) he was a real comic piece of work but fitted in well in these types of threads, and his website is really out there https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm best one is the pebbles.

As for your Maggies I had quite a bit to do with them owning the big Tympanies also, before going on to big ESL’s.

cerberus79A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member. To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference. I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference.

As you stated no difference in sound whether 10cent Bussman fuses were in or $150 SR Orange were in, to yourself or when the guys were around to do the A/B with.

cerberus79
Has the purpose of a fuse been lost ? How it is designed to work ? By design there is no directionality in a fuse. it is simply designed to open in an overcurrent situation. If it was directional in relation to the current passing through it would be a diode

Same thing I say to them, if it’s directional then it’s trying to be a diode, and that NOT good in either direction!

But I can tell your Maggies will sound a touch better with just a piece of copper wire soldered lightly outside of the fuse clamps and no fuses. This makes them vulnerable to an amp blowing and going dc, as you know having electronic knowledge background, but no more so than any other speaker would have no dc protection either.

You could try one of these if you want to retain the protection soldered to the fuse clamps.
https://www.jaycar.com.au/5-amp-circuit-breaker/p/SF2254

Cheers George

Hey! he did go overboard with MQA too, and then backed out when it was proved a hoax. It’s all about the $$$$.

And you’re the one who bought me back into this fuse BS

It's the same old gang pushing these 1000% markup!!! fuses, you don't have to be Einstein to work out what's going on.

Typo
" If yours has 10A and your in the US, it’s wrong."

Should be
If yours has 10A and your not in the US, it’s wrong.

I purchased a 240:240 isolation transformer on a local audiophile trading site. 750W capacity

Yes, I believe this is the first intelligent thing you’ve said, as noise does not jump the gap of an isolation transformer, because primary and secondary areI believe air gap isolated from each other.

They’re only good for source equipment, as none are big enough for big amps. (You need rating of at least 20A)
Now say you’ve got 100w+ power amp on it, and you’ll be back in the dummy seats. As 750w is only 3amps, and you’ll see far more than that going into speakers with a sample/hold/scope, especially big dynamic peaks, I’ve seen 60amp peaks, and it’ll saturate the isolation tranny, and cause dynamic compression.

Having owned many unfused speakers I am totally unconvinced by their necessity in the signal chain.

Are you serious!! where have you been, this statement proves you have absolutely no idea.

99.9% of good passive speakers are not fused for a reason, it has the same bad effects as putting fuses on an amps dc rail lines or it’s output terminal.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Thanks for the reminder, here ya go.

cerberus79
A few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member.
To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference.
I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference. Kind of just says it all doesn't it?

To those non technical thinking of purchasing these $$$ fuses. Just save your $150+ and do this instead.

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested in "maybe" wasting their money, do not listen to the non-technical, listen to the technicians of this industry that design the audio products you have and listen to. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT SAID HERE ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!
Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK (even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers George

Just a real dislike for "snake oil" voodoo that's a scourge in audio aimed at the gullible.  

And your trying to educate members about the sound of fuses.
You don’t deserve help, but here it is.

10A will be for 110-120v (USA)
4-5A will be for 230-240v (France)
If your has 10A and your in the US, it’s wrong.

🤦‍♂️

"literally left my jaw hanging open" 🦻

Guess your ears can’t hear what mine do.

5 post and with attitude?? Ya gotta earn that privilege here sunshine

I'm a little late to this party, but I can attest that adding 2 SR Orange fuses
(1 to my preamp, and 1 to my amp) literally left my jaw hanging open.

Really "jaw hanging open", you must be the latest fueser shill recruit

@georgehifi, doing research on fuses about 3 years ago I stumbled upon this 2017 you tube video by Paul McGowan the chief electrical engineer of PS Audio about ’Audiophile fuses’. He didn’t believe that something as small as a fuse could effect sound quality either.

You guys can’t leave it alone, still trying to jag a bites?? Keep it up, in the meantime catch this for your time and effort!

Ask Paul McGowan to come on here to back what you lot say about the sound quality improvements and especially the ac fuse directionality you fuser claim, then there will be some substance in what you lot say, if he does I’ll be the 1st to give it away.
He also backed MQA at first and bought into it!!!!, and now put’s **** on it because he looked silly for backing it at first, now that the odds are against MQA for being what they say it can do.
Same will happen with the fuses, he’s goes where the $$$$$ are, and you can take that to the bank..



A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH FUSERS ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" or the gullible thinking about it George

+1
Also goes in a smaller way for DC rail fuses in some not so hiend amps.

Cheers George

You guys can't leave it alone, 24hrs and still trying to jag a bites?? Keep it up, in the meantime catch this for your time and effort!

A fuse:
1: two end caps
2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote).

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH FUSERS ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to those "non fusers" George

Does anyone know if this company makes their own fuses or just modify an existing manufacturers fuse?
What about the electromagnetic wave that travels from source to load?

Sorry invalid only one answer to that  🤦‍♂️ that’s all she wrote

Miller??? you know what he means, (non-directional)🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

AC mains changes it’s direction 60 x a second (60hz) so it’s impossible for a fuse to be directional, unless it’s behaving like a diode!!!, then your in real big trouble if it is trying to rectify the mains before the power supply transformer and then the bridge rectifiers.

Your kidding, and let "snake oil" and "voodoo" companies flourish, with posts from shillers for those same companies here on Audiogon??? NOT LIKELY!!!!!!! No matter how nice you ask, and it was nice!!

There are plenty of the correct forums for them and you to visit

https://www.google.com/search?q=snake+oil+forums&oq=snake+oil+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.7881j...

https://www.google.com/search?q=voodoo+forums&oq=voodoo+forums&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j15&a...

To those "non technical" (like yourself) members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT THESE FUSERS SAY IT WILL DO FOR THE SOUND, EVER!!! LET ALONE BEING DIRECTIONAL!!!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Fuses suck period
I am glad my Bricasti dac-Streamer don’t use them ,one less bottle neck

Yes so does this "snake oil" talk about them here.
And btw they are not a "bottle neck" for the AC supply. For them to be that they need to be far more "resistive" than the "minuscule couple of milliohms" resistance they measure.
There more resistance in all the ac switches you have in series from the mains box switches to the wall socket switches to the equipment mains switches, than that 1/2" long piece of fuse wire in a fuse.

To those "non technical" members that are interested, do not listen to fusers, listen to the techs of this industry that design the audio products you have.
AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT THESE FUSERS SAY IT WILL DO FOR THE SOUND, EVER!!! LET ALONE BEING DIRECTIONAL!!!!!

Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.
As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK
(even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also)

Cheers to all "non fusers" George