Please help newb put a system together


Hello all,

I have a quandary that I don’t have the experience or knowledge to solve. I’m hoping to get some help from the collective wisdom of the group and save myself some mis-steps.

Here is my situation.
I married into a stereo system that I’m haven’t been terribly fond of, but was what we had. It consisted of a low-end Denon AV receiver, Onkyo cd changer and Klipsch RF-7 speakers and Klipsch powered sub. As the speakers were the only part of the system with *any* quality, my plan was to use them and upgrade components. I should state that the goals are quite modest relative to what many here have, as my means are limited. My plan was to get a cheap Oppo universal player to use as a transport (which have done), and a Peachtree iNova. That way we’d be able to use a simple iPod full of lossless files for a “server” of sorts, and be able to play SACD/DVD-A on the Oppo—all using the DAC in the Peachtree for a significant upgrade in the quality of the digital stuff. (Analog is already set—I got a pretty good deal on a barely used Clearaudio Concept/Virtuoso wood setup and we’re delighted with that.)
The problem is that while waiting for the iNova to come out, I have been forced to come to grips with the fact that really don’t want to build a system based on the Klipschs. I simply don’t like their sound much. My Wonderful Wife likes them, and on some material they sound good, but more often, to me, they are brassy and harsh and fatiguing. I have some Kef 104/2s that I don’t love, but like better. WW doesn’t like them at all—boring and dull, says she. That is important, because while she may not be as far gone as I am, she is into it and we do a lot of listening together. We *both* have to like things. So I took a chance and picked up a used set of Sunfire CRM-2s. They seem pretty good. Surprisingly, WW likes them a lot. So, assuming the Sunfires work, my nice, simple plan is messed up. They need to be crossed over at 95 or higher, and they need more power than the iNova has. Now what do I do? How to do a crossover? (sub doesn’t have a high-pass output) So I came up with this idea. Get a big, older AV receiver of decent quality—probably a B&K 305 or 307, and the Peachtree iDAC. (I’m not stuck on Peachtree, but they do seem to have good stuff (well reviewed, anyway) and I do want to use the iPod for a high quality source (digital out), so options are very limited). I would be good with that, if it works. My question is, will it work—or more accurately, does it make any sense? Specifically, is there any point getting nice DAC? If I am using the B&K to do high pass duties, does that mean it is converting the analog signal to digital? (and then of course, back to analog). So I pay all this money for a DAC to get a nice analog signal and then send it to the receiver, is that a complete waste of the DAC? Would it be just the same as sending the digital output straight to the receiver, since it converts (I assume) to digital anyway?

Thanks very much for any help you can provide. I need to get this as good as I can on the first try.

Also, if even a higher end AV receiver seems like a bad way to try to get good sound, please make suggestions. I’m essentially starting with a turntable, a sub, and the CRM-2s. How to build a system that will cross over the CRM-2s, and get us “good” sounding digital?
Background info:
We listen to most everything. Sometimes we listen carefully to small ensemble/solo acoustic instruments or individual vocalists where we want to feel “there”, at others we rock out to Rush, AC/DC and the like and volume and dynamics are what matters.
Budget is around $2000. Lower would be better.

Thanks again everyone.

mandd
mandd
Well, given that the Sunfire sensitivity is 90db, and they don't go any lower than 95Hz, they should be an easy load on the iNova. So I see no reason to scrap the iNova plan. You might, however, consider upgrading your sub, in particular as the sub needs to cover a lot of ground up to 100Hz... and the quality of that will be crucial to your overall sound. I would recommend Gallo subs designed to work with small Gallo speakers.. or smaller REL subs.
Although recommended for higher SLPs, you don't have to use a crossover, the speakers cut off signal below 95Hz... and subs generally have adjustable crossover settings to integrate with the speakers.
A shot in the dark ... take a look at the Outlaw RR2150 receiver . It should do most or all of what you are looking to do. I have used one for 4 or 5 years now with Totem Mite monitor type speakers. Nice unit for the cash. Well reviewed in Stereophile .

Rich
Thanks for the responses.
Arni, are you sure about the crossover? Can you point me to a reference? The manual states "Your system should be designed so that the Cinema Ribbon loudspeakers receive only the range above 100Hz" I'm worried about damaging them.
Rar1, thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.
Cool to see that you and the WW listen together. Foster that time together any way you can! It looks like the i-nova has a filtered out to the sub and possible a HT bypass? That may not help though.
If the Carvers do need to be limited in low freq. input ( they DO ) then one possibility would be to hang a proper sized inductor on the positive input and attenuate the bass at the speakers and use the i-nova as planned. Decent inductors can be cheap and based on 100Hz as the X-over point, should also be small enough to hide behind the Carvers.
Problem Solved and now you can fee up some funds by selling the Klipsch sub and trying out a used REL or Paradigm Reference sub. Or keep the Klipsch and buy your wife something nice...... perhaps some AC/DC on 180 gram Vinyl.
This is the first time that I’ve heard anyone call the Kef 104.2s boring or dull. I wish you hadn’t pulled the plug on them so fast. I would be surprised if you couldn’t have made them work with better amplification, source, and maybe set-up.