Pet Sounds: Most Overrated Album of All Time?

Rich, I would agree. At least Archie and Buster are in a home of both music knowledge and appreciation.

Audiohifila, My intent was not to rub anyones nose in it or to try to make someone love the music, which of course is impossible. It was though, to help create a context, some prospective, that's it. Sometimes, just sometimes enjoyment comes long after understanding... A number of previous comments were made with little or no prospective evident. I would agree, beauty is in the eyes or ears of the beholder and I suggest that an informed beholder may see greater beauty in this world.

Happy (oblivious) Listening!

I appreciate the passion of your responses. Let me try to clarify the point:

1. Of course sales alone do not demonstrate the value of a record. The point is that Pet Sounds sold far less even than other Beach Boys records. Ie, it did not even appeal to the band's own core audience.

That's right, even Beach Boys fans did not, by and large, like the record.

I love old Beach Boys records. The songs on Pet Sounds lacks the spark of those records.

It's not only a question of sophistication. Rather, it's a work of great sophistication with songs that did not measure up to the band's own prior work. I would suggest that the Beach Boys did not leave their fans behind because the music was suddenly too sophisticated for them, but rather because it just wasn't that good.

2. I'm 51. It's possible to be an adult, and have educated taste and still not think Pet Sounds is a good record. It's an important record, but not a good one. For the record: I love early Elvis, I love early Dylan, I love early Johnny Cash ...

I think Dylan stands the test of time very well

I think classical and opera can stand the test of time too (albeit I am not a huge fan like some though)

I agree that knowledge can help in appreciation but if it's really that good and you got an open mind which I do the quality should be obvious and on per sounds some tracks are great but only a few!

Even though I grew up in the Beach Boys era, I was only a casual fan of their music and never recognized the staggering genius of Pet Sounds. That is, until I saw the Pet Sounds Live In London DVD. Seeing this music performed live by Brian Wilson and an ace backing band showcases what a drop-dead- gorgeous album Pet Sounds is. Also, the DVD has better sound quality than the CD versions of Pet Sounds that I have heard.

Audiohifila,

Your list of early artists who fail to move you is interesting in that 3 of the 5 you list would make my top 10 list of rock music that actually survives. In fact, Chuck Berry would nail the #1 spot without a moment's hesitation. I find his music far more compelling today than almost any other rock musician's. Buddy Holly is only a half-step behind Berry and Brian Wilson is in there somewhere. IMHO, Orbison and Presley were more notable as singers than writers (and Presley was obviously a cultural phenomenon in so many ways; from sex symbol to early racial cross over music).

If you find that these musicians are more interesting as "historical artifacts", it says more about your personal preferences than it does about the music. No criticism is implied there. I like some Bel Canto opera, but can't abide more than 5 minutes of Wagner. I assure you that this fact says more about me than it does about Wagner's music.

Either way, I must admit that I find it curious that anyone who likes rock music doesn't find Berry's music essential. Rock is a reductionist/primitivist art form which isn't really complicated. You got your blues, your country, and your gospel. From the blues, I find that Berry distilled pure, nearly perfect rock n roll. From country music, Holly performs a similar transformation and for Gospel, you might look to Little Richard.

Wilson is a bit different in that his gift was expanding the "vocabulary" of rock music. He looked backward to the '50s vocal music (doo wop) and forward to incorporate exotic technology. IMHO, in this repect, he's the father of "art rock".

It's not merely that the Stones and Beatles (and just about everyone else) were inspired by this music, it's more that between Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, and Brian Wilson you will find the core of almost everything the Beatles and Stones produced over the course of their careers (with the possible exception of the Disco/Funk elements of the Stones which nods toward gospel music and Little Richard). And from there, you will will find that so much subsequent r'n'r music goes back to those 2 bands.

I think George Thorogood put it best. When asked why his band didn't perform any original music, he replied:
"Because Chuck Berry has already written all the great rock n roll songs".

OTOH, you're certainly entitled to not dig it and it certainly doesn't prove that Pet Sounds is a great record.

Marty