Almost forgot, that audio myth slide show of Mr Kite that shadorne posted is from 2001. The amazing thing is folks still think like that almost 20 years later. Looking on the bright side, I guess we would not have audio forums if everyone agreed. Kind of the yin and the yang. 😛 |
Ask not for whom the troll bellows. He bellows for you.
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All this chitter-chatter, chitter-chatter, chitter-chatter 'bout
Shmatta, shmatta, shmatta, I can't give it away on 7th Avenue
This town's been wearing tatters (shattered, sha ooobie shattered)
That's what makes our town the best
Pride and joy and dirty dreams and still surviving on the street
And look at me, I'm in tatters, yeah
I've been battered, what does it matter
Don't you know the crime rate is going up, up, up, up, up
To live in this town you must be tough, tough, tough, tough, tough!
You got rats on the West Side
Bed bugs uptown
What a mess this town's in tatters, I've been shattered
My brain's been battered, splattered all over Manhattan
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hifiman5
I think a lot of the controversy here was generated by obvious hyperbole. I mean claims of reducing electric bills if the TC is applied to the entire house-full of electrical connections is just silly. I’m not an electrical engineer but if anyone can actually explain the logic of that claim I would love to learn!
>>>I actually think contact enhancers, generally speaking, might very well reduce electricity bills. How much they would reduce electricity bills depends on a lot of things, obviously. Like how much energy is consumed per day or month and how many contacts are treated. Why would contact enhancers reduce cost? Because the electricity would be used more efficiently. Kinda like the Shakti On-lines, that were demonstrated to improve gas mileage when used on electrical cables in cars. And kinda like some other audiophile products, WA Quantum Chips come to mind, and perhaps certain line purifiers, act like traffic cops, organizing the flow of the electrical signal and making it flow more efficiently. 👮🏻♂️ Obviously an audio signal that is more “efficient” can measured by Signal over (Noise plus Distortion).
And perhaps contact enhancers are analogous to audiophile products that improve the efficiency of how Acoustic Waves propagate through air, e.g. tiny little bowl resonators, SteinMusic Harmonizer, Ultra Tweeters.
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Whoa! Hey, relax, fellas. I’m pretty sure someone who doesn’t believe wire makes any difference would not (rpt not) use contact enhancer. Could he be a chain puller?
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Randy, did you mean contact enhancement or contact cement? 😳 |
Uh, WD40 is not conductive so I kind of doubt you’d have much luck with your designer concoction. In fact, it would be self defeating.
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cleeds
Now that the name-calling and veiled insults on this thread have been halted by the moderators, I’ll weigh in on this tweak.
>>>>Not to mention the unveiled insults. 😀
cleeds
First, the notion that the absence of a money-back guarantee on this product should arouse suspicion is just a red herring. Many things are sold without a money back guarantee. If you want to buy a house, a new car or a phono cartridge, you’ll have to conduct your due diligence, and then be willing to assume some element of risk. (Although, in the heyday of the LP era, my audio dealer did offer money-back on phono cartridges. But those days are long gone, I think.)
>>>>Most audiophile products actually DO have a money back guarantee. But I’m not sure this product won’t. Did someone confirm that? In any case, I think it would be a good idea, as Brian with Quicksilver Gold fame, to offer an even smaller amount for half the price.
cleeds
This not a tweak I’m inclined to try. It’s not the cost, which is less than a set of tubes for my tube amplifier. It’s that I prefer connections to be clean and tight and - obviously - this goop would violate that. And if I tried it and didn’t like the result - then what? How do I get the goop off of those connections?
>>>>But think of how good your tubes would sound after treating the tube pins. I’m not hot doggin ya. 🌭 All of the similar silver or silver and gold products, as does this one, improve the connection contact. Apparently, if you need to remove it, it’s easily removed. Chill.
cleeds
Does this goop work? I have no idea but I wouldn’t dismiss it without some first-hand experience. There are some who believe that their knowledge of physics or electronics, or who put faith in what they read in magazines or online forums, allow them to divine the sound of something without listening. I claim no such clairvoyant power.
>>>>>Audiophile Contact Enhancers have been around like forever and have been well received. I’m sure Google is your friend for anyone interested in reviews on-line of Silclear, Quicksilver Gold, whatever. So, we know the basic idea is sound. Chill. ❄️
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I read here on this thread that the new product is easy to remove. I’m not talking about other products, although I have had Silclear and Quicksilver and Quicksilver Gold, which your humble scribe found easy to remove, well, not terrible anyway. I may not have tried to remove Quicksilver Gold, you know, back when I had actual electrical connections, I would have left it in place. Looks like nice shiny silver, like silver plate. The trick is not to apply too much or go too far down a tube pin or down the male pin of an RCA plug, you know, since it’s highly conductive.
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Nothing so insidious or devious. 😛 Your humble scribe is how I refer to myself occasionally. Your humble scribe and your humble narrarator are used in literature and movies. Alex in A Clockwork Orange, for example, refers to himself as your friend and humble narrarator, if I’m not mistaken. |
Rosemary Clooney?! What? Whoa! Gad Zooks!
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More on the Furutech product that, and I don’t like casting dispersions, appears to be a copy of Quicksilver Gold, with some familiar sounding innovations, I.e. cryo and “electromagnetic field processing.” I trust the translation is not exact as the Furutech product almost certainly uses pure silver not sterling silver particles. Gee, one wonders if Furutech is following this thread. 🙄
From the US eBay seller,
”Gold and silver nanoparticles will do at the same time stalwart of the unevenness of the contact surface.
A mixture of pure gold and sterling silver of ultra-fine particles of a maximum diameter of 8 nanometers (8 / 1000000mm) by high concentration dispersed in squalane oil.
Furutekku α (Alpha) Process processing subjected to (minus 196 ℃ ultra-low temperature processing and a special electromagnetic field processing), pure gold and further up sufficiently demonstrated by conducting the advantages of sterling silver.”
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I’m not trying to hot dog anyone but can contact enhancer be applied to HDMI cables? I just bought my first HDMI cable, the Audioquest Carbon. Controlled for directionality with all the buzzers and whistles. Yeah! 😛
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Toothpick it is! The trick will be drinking enough coffee before I do this. ☕️
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Yes, that is interesting. |
Question for Beta testers or anyone else, has anyone tried using contact enhancer on non audio connections such as power plug for refrigerator, TV, and light bulbs, including refrigerator bulb, and bulbs in bathrooms, closets, etc.?
Thimk outside the box.
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I know. Nevertheless, that why I posted some things people might have overlooked. Thimk outside the box. I’ve been doing this longer than the average bear.
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For folks asking a lotta questions, good on ya mates!, but you guys should really do some due diligence beforehand. You might not appear to be so out of it. You know, Google is your friend. I know what you’re thinking, sob, but I haven’t run across Graphene applications anywhere. 😳 In certain areas of science, audiophiles lead the way. Lead, follow or get out of the way.
5 seconds after a Google inquiry by your friend and humble scribe, the first hit is,
“Potential graphene applications include lightweight, thin, flexible, yet durable display screens, electric/photonics circuits, solar cells, and various medical, chemical and industrial processes enhanced or enabled by the use of new graphene materials.[1]
In 2008, graphene produced by exfoliation was one of the most expensive materials on Earth, with a sample the area of a cross section of a human hair costing more than $1,000 as of April 2008 (about $100,000,000/cm2).[2] Since then, exfoliation procedures have been scaled up, and now companies sell graphene in large quantities.[3] The price of epitaxial graphene on Silicon carbide is dominated by the substrate price, which was approximately $100/cm2 as of 2009. Hong and his team in South Korea pioneered the synthesis of large-scale graphene films using chemical vapour deposition (CVD) on thin nickel layers, which triggered research on practical applications,[4] with wafer sizes up to 30 inches (760 mm) reported.[5] By 2017, graphene electronics were being manufactured in a commercial fab on a 200 mm line.[6]
In 2013, the European Union made a €1 billion grant to be used for research into potential graphene applications.[7] In 2013 the Graphene Flagship consortium formed, including Chalmers University of Technology and seven other European universities and research centers, along with Nokia.[8]”
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Graphene batteries for iPad or whatever. Buy ‘em all day long on eBay and Amazon. Hel-loo! 😛 All you can eat, baby!
Turnigy Graphene batteries are the new standard for serious hobbyists who require POWER ON DEMAND.
Specs:
Capacity: 1800mAh
Voltage: 4S1P / 4 Cell / 14.8V
Discharge: 65C Constant / 130C Burst
Weight: 240g (including wire, plug & case)
Dimensions: 107x36x34mm
Balance Plug: JST-XH
Discharge Plug: XT-60
Note: Graphene LiPo Batteries only require a standard Lipo battery charger.
Advantages over traditional Lipo batteries.
• Power density: 0.15-0.17kw/kg (5Ah-16Ah)
• Power density: 0.13-0.15kw/kg (1Ah-4.9Ah).
• Stable High pack voltage through duration of use.
• High discharge rate, giving more power under load.
• Internal impedance can reach as low as 1.2mO compared to that of 3mO of a standard Lipoly.
• Greater thermal control, packs stay much cooler under extreme conditions
• Higher capacity during heavy discharge.
• Maintains higher pack capacity even after hundreds of cycles
• Fast charge capable, up to 15C on some batteries.
• Longer Cycle Life 600+
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GRAPHENE FOR EMI SHIELDING (Duh!)
“Graphene appears to be the most effective material for EMI shielding
(Nanowerk Spotlight) Sensitive electronic devices like cell phones and computers require shielding from electromagnetic interference (EMI). Such shielding – which must be electrically conductive – has traditionally been made of metal, which poses a weight problem in the push to miniaturize and lighten electronics.
Previous research has already demonstrated that ultra-lightweight carbon nanostructure-based nanocomposite materials outperform conventional metal shielding due to their light weight, resistance to corrosion, flexibility, and processing advantages ("Towards cost-efficient EMI shielding materials using carbon nanostructure-based nanocomposites").
In new work, scientists in Korea have now demonstrated that single-layer graphene is an excellent choice of material for high-performance EMI shielding. They found that CVD-synthesized graphene shows more than seven times greater EMI shielding effectiveness (in terms of dB) than gold film of the same thickness.
Reporting their findings in a recent online edition of Nanotechnology ("Electromagnetic interference shielding effectiveness of monolayer graphene"), a team led by Byung Jin Cho, a professor in the Department of Electrical Engineering at the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST), suggests the feasibility of manufacturing an ultrathin, transparent, weightless, and flexible EMI shield by a single or a few atomic layers of graphene.”
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This just in! Graphene structures. Hurray! Let’s see, what can be look forward to constructed with Graphene, ten times stronger than steel? I’m thinking tweeters and midrange drivers, tonearms, isolation platforms, speaker cabinets, what have you.
“Researchers design one of the strongest, lightest materials known
Porous, 3-D forms of graphene developed at MIT can be 10 times as strong as steel but much lighter.
A team of researchers at MIT has designed one of the strongest lightweight materials known, by compressing and fusing flakes of graphene, a two-dimensional form of carbon. The new material, a sponge-like configuration with a density of just 5 percent, can have a strength 10 times that of steel.
In its two-dimensional form, graphene is thought to be the strongest of all known materials. But researchers until now have had a hard time translating that two-dimensional strength into useful three-dimensional materials.
The new findings show that the crucial aspect of the new 3-D forms has more to do with their unusual geometrical configuration than with the material itself, which suggests that similar strong, lightweight materials could be made from a variety of materials by creating similar geometric features.
The findings are being reported today in the journal Science Advances, in a paper by Markus Buehler, the head of MIT’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering (CEE) and the McAfee Professor of Engineering; Zhao Qin, a CEE research scientist; Gang Seob Jung, a graduate student; and Min Jeong Kang MEng ’16, a recent graduate.”
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Bet nobody Googled how to make Graphene in your basement. Can’t get much cheaper than that. Also bet none of the naysayers would try to make Graphene even if they could. Even if it was free. They’d rather fight than switch. 🥊 I’ve seen this movie before.
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Frank sez, “I had negative experiences with earlier contact enhancers.” Now that’s where you lose me, Frank, since Quicksilver Gold is such a fantastic product. Maybe it was case of operator error, problems with your system, not following instructions, who knows? Maybe you didn’t know how it worked or where to use it. Maybe you never actually used it, who knows? Whatever the tweak, as sure as shootin’, if you look hard enough you can find someone says, I had negative results with it. 😬 Bashing competitors is the favorite sport of tweak manufacturers and their proxies. 😛 Trumping the predecessor, so to speak.
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fleschler
I don’t care why or how TC works. Just like blue SR fuses, duplexes, Stillpoints, Townsend Seismic Sink, equipment stands and Shakti Hallographs, they are essential tweaks besides my various cables and tube incarnations except I found the tweaks stay in my system for a long time.
>>>>I’m not sure I can be quite so cavalier about things. Actually, a large portion of this thread is concerned with precisely how and why this product works, as well it should. I doubt NASA would be so cavalier about how a thing works, especially something that is getting so much attention these days. It is important, for example, to know why Graphene is located on the exterior of the SR Black Fuse, not inside the fuse (as a conductor) as so many have assumed. I doubt the Defense Dept. is cavalier about Graphene. Or MIT. Or China. If we don’t figure out how and why a thing works we wouldn’t be able to know how and where to use it. Most audiophile tweaks really require some sort of explanation as to how and why they work; otherwise we wouldn’t know how to use them in our rooms or systems. You don’t just plop Shakti Stones or Shakti Hallographs just any old place. You have to know how they work. Same for Mpingo discs, Tube Traps, crystals, cables with arrows, even Townsend and Seismic Sink require some knowledge how to set them up properly, no? Have audiophiles really become a group of complacent spoon fed ostriches?
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Frank asked, “Where does one buy Quicksilver Gold these days? Is that what Walker sells?”
Whoa! What? You’re aren’t exactly boosting your street cred with questions like that, Frank. 😬First there was Silclear from Mapleshade. I’m speaking only of silver based stuff here. Not Cramolin, Deoxit, all those Craig conditioners, cleaners, etc. there is Sol Electret from PWB as well that I also use and recommend for electrical contacts. Then there was the Walker Stuff. I’m pretty sure SST is what Walker sells now and has sold for a very long time. Not sure if it was his very first product. Next came Quicksilver from your buddy and mine, Brian. (I carry on with my version of one of Brian’s products, actually, that I got permission to sell from his family. The Tourmaline Gun.) Quicksilver was followed some years later by Quicksilver Gold, in which some Gold was added to the silver. Since I was down with all of the silver based contact enhancers since Day One I think I can say without fear of contradiction Quicksilver Gold was the top dog. 🐕 Having said that, Walker and/or Pierre may or may not have improved their products over years, who the heck knows? 😳 Most likely they have bigger fish to fry🐟 you know, like a $100K turntable.
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oregonpapa OP
Dear Geoff Kait, audio insider ...
Where can I buy Quicksilver Gold?
>>>>>>Frank, as far as I can tell it’s not available. Maybe some kind soul has a stash somewhere who can spare some, who knows. Good luck finding some.
Geoff Kait
audio insider
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Uh, Randy, I hate to be the one to tell you but Tweak (sic) turned out to be the worst contact enhancer ever foisted on gullible audiophiles. The specific problem with Tweek was that it turned into a horrible green black goop 💩after a period of time, plus it didn’t really do anything. So, Tweek is proven all right, proven to turn into a green black goop. Nice try, anyway!
If someone wants to use a non silver type contact enhancer might I suggest Cramolin Red, you know, the one commercial aircraft uses in their communications system? ✈️
Cheers
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randy-11
See p. 1 for Tweak comments - and many other pages
No listening tests + no science + high prices... what does that add up to???
>>>>All I see are positive comments by you and Frank. So, Frank doesn’t like Quicksilver Gold, doesn’t know you can’t get QG anymore but, like you, thinks Tweek is great. I guess that puts me in the color me suspicious camp. 🙄 I had Tweek. That’s how I know it turns into greenish black goop. That’s science, Junior!
What does a 5 second Google search turn up?
“Be very careful using this stuff as tended to gum things up and/or caramelise when dumped in places like tube sockets.”
“Nasty stuff, I can’t tell you the number of RCA jacks that I have seen that once had Tweek on them and the chemical damaged....looking at the jacks under magnification looked like the gold plating had been "blasted" off the substrate....”
“The biggest disaster was the original Tweak (sic), a contact enhancer which was especially good at boosting bass. After many months it turned to goo on your contacts, screwed up the sound and was a real hassle to get off.”
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Oops!
Sorry, Frank, it was Tom, not you. On page 1 of this thread. So, it’s Tom whose street cred just went down a notch. 😟 One assumes when Randy suggests comparing Graphene contact enhancer to Tweek blind it’s so you won’t see the black color of the Tweek goop. 💩
theaudiotweak
12-25-2017 6:03pm
Original tweek was great product. This goes way beyond anything I remember of tweek.
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OK, everybody. Go to your happy place.
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Mr. Fox smells his own foxhole.
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tommylion
It is common knowledge that the RCA is not an especially well designed connector, but it is the standard that designers are stuck with, if they want to be compatible with other equipment.
>>>>While that might be true, there are many other electrical contacts that are not RCA. To whit, fuses, audio power cord plug into wall outlet, EIC connector, refrigerator and other appliance power cords, light bulbs, ribbon cable connectors - I dare anybody!😀 - circuit breakers, headphone connections, tube pins, batteries, TV connection to power cord. Did I miss any?
pop quiz: Has anyone tried painting solder connections in electronics with the Graphene stuff, you know, just for grins? 😛 |
jetter
The basic assumption that makes this tweak viable is that there is not adequate electricity/signal reaching the equipment due to a loss from micro arching. Stated another way, that the designers of our equipment did not ensure that the full amount of power/signal was being delivered to our gear to ensure proper operation, that our power cords, fuses, rca and xlrs, and speaker cables and their connectors are so complicated and under designed to perform their intended function 100%?
>>>>>>Huh? What? That’s NOT the basic assumption at all! That is actually a perfect example of a Strawman argument - ranting about a false assumption, or a made up assumption. Nobody ever said micro arcing results in a loss of power. Nor does it. What micro arcing does result in is noise and distortion. That’s why all electrical connections in the house - including non audio connections - should be cleaned, at a minimum, to reduce noise and distortion. So, technically, it’s the Signal to Noise plus Distortion ratio that is affected. The power delivered to the gear is adequate even when the SNR Is relatively low. But micro arcing is not the whole story as higher conductivity of the connection is important as well, no? which is why Silver, Gold and Graphene are used in the first place.
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Inside every English major is a pseudo scientist dying to get out.
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The quotidian fluctuations in power delivered at the wall far outweigh and swamp any power fluctuations resulting from micro-arcing in audio system electrical connections. if indeed there any, which I actually think there probably aren’t. Besides audio electronics are designed to account for fluctuations in power. So, cut me some slack, Jack! |
It’s a little bit sad when a pseudo scientist completely runs out of ammo. 😢 Can we have a moment of silence?
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I actually don’t feel the same way. I welcome dissenters, whether they’re sincere or not. After all sometimes you can’t tell the trolls from the shills without a scorecard. Or the real skeptics from the pseudo skeptics. And sometimes, there’s a very thin line between science and pseudo science, between physics and metaphysics.
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perfectpathtech wrote,
”On the 8th week to the day, phone rang and Frank was a very happy camper. The 8th week must be experienced, no amount of words can convey what takes place.”
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On the 16th week to the day the Earth’s magnetic field flipped 180 degrees and Frank flipped his gizzard. 😬
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Uh, oh, looks like Revenge of the Nerds II Nerds in Paradise will be showing all weekend. Get out your popcorn and Milk Duds. |
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You think you’re cheap?! My whole system cost $10. Hel-loo! Not counting tweaks, which are prolly $10K or something. I’m not hot dogging you. 🌭
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Addendum, audio vocabulary words starting with letters M through W,
Mellow - Reduced high frequencies, not Edgy.
Midrange (Mids) - The audio frequencies between about 250 Hz and 6000 Hz.
Muddy - Not clear. Weak harmonics, smeared time response, I.M. distortion.
Muffled - Sounds like it is covered with a blanket. Weak highs or weak upper mids.
Musical (or musicality) - A sense of cohesion and subjective "rightness" in the sound.
Nasal - Honky, a bump in the response around 600 Hz.
Naturalness - Realism.
Opaque - Unclear, lacking Transparency.
Open - Sound which has height and "air", relates to clean upper midrange and treble.
Pace - Often assoc. with rhythm, a strong sense of timing and beat.
Piercing - Strident, hard on the ears, screechy. Having sharp, narrow peaks in the response around 3 to 10 kHz.
PRaT - Pace, Rhythm and Timing
Presence Range - The presence range between 4kHz and 6kHz is responsible for the clarity and definition of voices and instruments. Increasing this range can make the music seem closer to the listener. Reducing the 5kHz content makes the sound more distant and transparent.
Presence - A sense that the instrument in present in the listening room. Synonyms are edge, punch, detail, closeness and clarity. Adequate or emphasized response around 5 kHz for most instruments, or around 2 to 5 kHz for kick drum and bass.
Puffy - A bump in the response around 500 Hz.
Punchy - Good reproduction of dynamics. Good transient response, with strong impact. Sometimes a bump around 5 kHz or 200 Hz.
Range - The distance between the lowest and highest tones.
Resolution (or Resolving) - See Definition
Rich - See Full. Also, having euphonic distortion made of even order harmonics.
Roll-off (Rolloff) - The gradual attenuation that occurs at the lower or upper frequency range of a driver, network, or system. The roll-off frequency is usually defined as the frequency where response is reduced by 3 dB.
Round - High frequency rolloff or dip. Not edgy.
Rhythm - The controlled movement of sounds in time.
Saturation - The point at which a magnetic tape is fully magnetized and will accept no more magnetization.
Seismic - Very low bass that you feel rather than hear.
Shrill - Strident, Steely.
Sibilant (or Sibilance) - "Essy", exaggerated "s" or "sh" sounds in vocals. Sibilant sounds carry most of their energy through the 4Khz to 8Khz range, but can extend to 10kHz, depending on the individual. Sibilance is often heard on radio.
Sizzly - See Sibilant. Also, too much highs on cymbals.
Smeared - Lacking detail; poor transient response, too much leakage between microphones; poorly focused images.
Smooth - Easy on the ears, not harsh. Flat frequency response, especially in the midrange. Lack of peaks and dips in the response.
Snap - A system with good speed and transient response can deliver the immediacy or "snap" of live instruments.
Soundstage - The area between two speakers that appears to the listener to be occupied by sonic images. Like a real stage, a soundstage should have width, depth, and height.
Spacious - Conveying a sense of space, ambiance, or room around the instruments; stereo reverb; early reflections.
Speed - A fast system with good pace gives the impression of being right on the money in its timing.
Steely - Emphasized upper mids around 3 to 6 kHz. Peaky, non flat high frequency response. See Harsh, Edgy.
Strident - See Harsh, Edgy.
Sturdy - Solid, powerful, robust sound.
Sub-Bass - The audio frequencies between about 20Hz and 80Hz.
Sweet - Not strident or piercing. Delicate. Flat high frequency response, low distortion. Lack of peaks in the response. Highs are extended to 15 or 20 kHz, but they are not bumped up. Often used when referring to cymbals, percussion, strings, and sibilant sounds.
Telephone Like - See Tinny.
Texture - A perceptible pattern or structure in reproduced sound.
Thick - A lack of articulation and clarity in the bass.
Thin - Fundamentals are weak relative to harmonics; bass light.
Tight - Good low frequency transient response and detail.
Timbre - The tonal character of an instrument
Timing - A sense of precision in tempo.
Tinny - Narrowband, weak lows, peaky mids. The music sounds like it is coming through a telephone or tin can.
Tone - The sound of definite pitch.
Transient - The leading edge of a percussive sound. Good transient response makes the sound as a whole more live and realistic.
Transparent - Easy to hear into the music, detailed, clear, not muddy. Wide flat frequency response, sharp time response, very low distortion and noise. A hear through quality that is akin to clarity and reveals all aspects of detail.
Treble - The highest part of music and voice. See Highs. (Most often used when referring to the treble control on amplifiers).
Tubby - Having low frequency resonances as if you're singing in a bathtub. See bloated.
Upper Midrange (Upper Mids, High Mids) - The audio frequencies between 2 kHz and 6 kHz.
Veiled - Like a silk veil is over the speakers. Slight noise or distortion or slightly weak high frequencies. Loss of detail due to limited transparency.
Warm - Good bass, adequate low frequencies, adequate fundamentals relative to harmonics. Not thin. Also excessive bass or mid bass. Also, pleasantly spacious, with adequate reverberation at low frequencies. Also see Rich, Round. Warm highs means sweet highs.
Wet - A reverberant sound, something with decay. Opposite of Dry.
Weighty - Good low frequency response below about 50 Hz. A sense of substance and underpinning produced by deep, controlled bass. Suggesting an object of great weight or power, like a diesel locomotive.
Woolly - Loose, ill-defined bass.
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Color me skeptical.🙄 Do you guys mean to tell me that you make no changes to the system or add any tweaks to your systems in all that time, 4 weeks, 8 weeks, whatever? I don’t think I ever heard of audiophiles who are that patient, who do nothing at all for that long. Do you just sit on your hands the entire time waiting for a sudden boost in SQ? Many testers already said they keep treating more and more contacts over time, as new applications are discovered, so they must loose track of what was treated originally. 4 weeks starting when? After the first application? After the last application? Weather conditions, time of day, day of week, all those things - and more - influence the sound, too. I suspect this should be filed under, Too Many Variables. If it doesn’t make sense it’s not true. - Judge Judy
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You think I said that? Prove it, cowboy. Talk’s cheap.
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Ground control to Tom, what are you going on about? Did someone promote you to Damage Control?
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This ain’t my first rodeo, cowboys. 🤠 I am not (rpt not) disputing there are audible improvements right out of the gate with product. I got on board the whole contact enhancer train 🚂 way back when Ronnie Raygun 🔫 was in office. What I was objecting to, uh, in case anyone missed it, was the claim that differences in sound, if any, after 4 or 8 weeks can be directly attributed ONLY to the product under discussion. You know, to the the many variables issue. It’s the same for ANY product that is assumed to take a very long time to break in, by the way. I’m not (rpt not) disputing the break in, I’m disputing the claim of being able to hear it. That’s all.
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Tom, uh, you’re the one being disrespectful. You cowboys don’t agree with something so you start attacking. Same old same old. You never tire. |
