Need sub recommendations for vr4 jr's

I do appreciate the info & experiences... the additional range I seek may well be attended to as we speak... via power cords at several locations... I've a noticeable presence there now... also in some tube replacements.

I suppose, given info from others I've met here having a non detented phase correction, switch, the ability to overcome or eliminate the crossover in the sub itself are important.... and IMO, a seemless integration with the JR's most important... funny I've not seen anyone mention good ol' Velodyne... or Bob Carvers offerings... they are certainly popular... one current REL owner says if he had to do it all over again he's go ACI... 'TITAN'...

Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I'd as soon run the thing in stereo off the RCA OUTS on my preamp... foregoing the additional speaker wire purchaseing... is that wrong? ...of am I missing something?

Just to answer a couple of the aforementioned queeries... Nope. No lead shot as yet.... soon, though.

I'm overly spiked in the JR area. Shotgun wires and recently used the Cardas setup John at Cardas set me onto... and the results were distinctively better in terms of bottom end performance. I was very close to begin with and just a few inches off their suggested mark (s)... using the 5 foot x 8foot rectangle and the resulting diagonal line to set the unit upon and thus reduce/eliminate two room nodes. Big improvement! Amazed me. I had about resigned myself to just living with where I had them...and the dreary toneless bass at between 50 & 60hz.. and it's multiples. Way better now. Really. 'Course, I ain't too big on how far into the room they are but I've enough space just now.

The Def TECH was one I thought to get though all the info and reviews pointed to more HT than stereo applications for those subs... consequently, I'll pass on the DT LINE UP.

YEP THE jr'S ARE CAPABLE OF DECENT BASS. pRODIGIOUS AMOUNTS ACTUALLY GIVEN THE TRACK INFO. Though I'd as soon have more flexibility and impact than I have now... That's all. ...and I've grown acoustomed to a more bass laden presentation... like bakc in the day when FM first came around... a really warm, full bodied dark presentation... though with more detail. I lean towards the lush and dark side of things I guess along with as sweet a top end as can be had.

So unless I get some input that truly can sway me from my current ideal, I'll probably end up waiting and getting one of the ACI Titan's... unless of course there is one with more musicallity for not much more... (used or new makes little diff to me here), and of course with the flexibility the Titan offers.

GET LEAD SHOT!

50 lbs per speaker.

This is *NOT* optional. I'm not sure why you're considering improving the bass with a sub when you can do so for less than a C note with a bunch of little pebbles.

OK. . . Drew... I'll do the shot thing ASAP. it was already on the list... in my area, (and it sure came as a suprise to me), the shot provider is a trap & skeet club that only opens on Wednesday, and Saturdays. Getting a ride out there is mostly the issue... I had planned to do it for my Xmas present to me... but was waiting till I got the speakers right where I felt they did their best... lots easier to move around a 45 lb. cabinet than a 95lb. one.... right? so it's just a matter of time... I think I'm pretty close to where I need to be in placement, though I'd like to try a couple more moves... mere inches makes a good bit of difference... and not being able to see it all taht well slows down things a good bit... but it'll happen soon enough...

One thing, the shot only affects tone of the bass, right? No re-positioning required, right? I mean the bass toneal change is just a somewhat tighttening of the bass tone, right? and I got a hallway on the left side that needs closing off by adding a door (s), too. so I'll flip a coin to see who's first... the open hallway lessens the left channel impact unless in the nearfield... or sit a bit off to that side otherwise. (I thought for the longeest time something was wrong with the gear... nope. Just the opening in that wall.... Amazing! Huh?)

Update: I've been trading emails with VSA concerning my REL sub. They have convinced me that if properly setup the REL can / will be benificial. I haven't moved it from it's old "dialed in" position when using my old speakers, but did turn down the crossover and I'm enjoying it enough that I pulled it off the for sale listings. I listen to mainly Rock and Roll and the additional bass is a nice touch. If you haven't already talked to the guys at VSA you should, eveyone I have dealt with has been very helpful and there's nothing like getting advice from the manufacturer.