My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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137am and i am going to bed now. Things are coming along nicely. 
More coming your way soon. 
The DACs i have owned prior to MSB Reference:

-Lampizator Pacific
-Chord Dave
-PS Audio Directstream
-Esoteric K1
-DCS Vivaldi with clock and upsampler
-DCS Rossini with clock

The only direct comparison pricewise is the Vivaldi, but i am a believer the Rossini with clock is the best bang for the buck from DCS and it gives you over 90% (IMO) of Vivaldi’s performance.
That said, the conversation here needs to be more around each manufacturer’s "house sound" or flavor. Both are excellent and we really are knit-picking . What i can CONTINUE to echo here is that synergy is KEY. In some systems, DCS could add sparkle to lifeless speakers while the MSB can add more naturalness and organic tonality to speakers that are extremely neutral.
Could you go wrong for buying either, HELL NO.

That said, the following items have arrived: (soon you will find out)

-New stereo power amplifier (purchased)
-New Power conditioner (purchased)
-New top end powercords (loaner)
-New Music Server (purchased)
-New top end speaker cables (loaner)
-New top end xlrs (loaner)
-New top end ethernet cable (loaner)


here is one video i took over a suncoast audio:
Kharma Speakers and Boulder 1160/1110

https://youtu.be/zhkL0tjPui8


My apologies for the mic clipping. I just noticed it!. Ugh...  Well, at least use the video to give you somewhat of an idea as to what the combo sounds like. 
Next week, i will be introducing my 2 new amp stands from Artesania which will replace the critical mass stands. 
The model is the Artesania Master KIO and here are the specs:



EXTERNAL STRUCTURE
It ́s made of metal filled with special particles and elastomers. The uprights have a diameter of 60 mm. These factors create a rack heavy, resistant and stable. The resonance coefficient of the structure is significantly lowered. The paint used is textured for diffusion purposes.

INTERNAL SUSPENDED STRUCTURE
Isolated from external structure. Eliminates vibrations that are transmitted from solid and acoustic sources through the creation of decouples; steel needles supported on isolating discs. These provide extra tiers of anti-resonant protection. This suspended audio rack has a triple decoupling.

TEFLON CILINDERS
Support the internal structure and isolates from the external structure. (Diameter 38 mm)

LINEAR ARMS
Arms made from carbon fiber. The arms hold adjustable spikes (can be located in different positions) also support isolating discs and damping pads. Total flexibility in different positions and easy to change.

ISOLATION DISCS
Support each of the electronic components (without any need for shelves). Easy installation facilitated by an elastic insert which provides stability to place electronic components on the adjustable spikes.

DECOUPLING BASE
Stainless steel discs support the spikes of the uprights. Two types of floor pads are included, with different sonic behavior, depending on the room acoustics. Check manual to use the proper pads for the bases.


Isn't that why i brought more expensive speakers? To try different components of different price points?
Let me present another question:
Would a wilson wamm best a chronosonic XVX if you put 400k worth of electronics on the chronosonic and 200K on the WAMM? I will let you all answer that question...
I understand when people like different things. I don’t take it personal guys.
That said, there is one minute detail you all are forgetting...just a tiny one...the source you all heard is $120k and the music server another 30k plus the Boulder 1110/1160...so yes...200k in electronics...just a minute detail...just a tiny one :-)

You've heard the m6 with less than half of that money. I am hoping you all don't expect expect for a 172k speaker to make electronics sound twice as good as what they are? 

Next video will display Fyne Audio speakers. Stay tuned for that !

And that’s "fyne" if you also prefer the beautiful $14,999 speaker over the $172k M6. Liking something doesn’t make it better. It’s more about your pallette and what you can or can’t handle sonically.
Use my videos to simply steer your own journey somewhat. All i asked was for an  "open mind".... Nothing else. I said it before and I'll say it again, don't prosecute the m6 without giving it a fair trial...
130am - still listening...
 Things are just on a whole different level... 
The next time you hear the m6, it will be vastly improved from what you last heard. Witness a "chameleon" of a speaker. 
So far, i am prepared to say that the only speaker I've ever owned in which the bass doesn't sound like it's coming from a box is from the Magico M6. It just hits you and you can't detect where it is coming from.
Fyne audio 704 speaker and the the classe Audio separates:

https://youtu.be/qPhfqe0zPzQ


Amazing speakers for $14,999. I heard things behind the music that aren’t easily picked up by other speakers. This is due to their crazy sensitivity of 96db!

Which rooms impressed me? Which room was THE BIGGEST LET DOWN? Find out today... This will be very interesting for a lot of you!

 

 

Moving on:

i have received another power amplifier (stereo) which will surprise a lot of you. This is an "affordable" amp in comparison to what i have owned in the past. I will be posting a clip, but i want to see if anyone can guess what it is...
I am currently messing around with Shunyata Sigma V2 interconnects, speaker cables and Omega powercords. That is what you all heard yesterday (besides the new amp and the dac). You all didn’t just hear a new amp but pretty much a new system with the M6 on this last video.
If you felt the sound went backwards then it may very well be the combination used. I am still figuring things out and playing around with a bunch of cables that were loaned to me. 
Shunyata is indeed warmer than Synergistic (i am sure you all heard that on the video) so it is a matter of reaching the perfect balance perhaps using a combination of Shunyata and Synergistic cables in the system. THIS IS what is HARD as well when it comes to system matching. Changing an amplifier is the easiest thing, but cables are a WHOOOOOLE other animal that takes more out of you. More to come for sure!
We are moving away from the same tracks over and over again. It’s done.
Please don’t start asking for the same thing. I’m actually bored myself to the point that i want to just watch movies instead. Can’t keep playing the same thing. Time to leave the same tunes behind. There is more to explore. I am the type of personality that can't do repetitive purchases of anything. I even get tired of habanero margaritas and i love those but if you give me too many then i am looking for cranberry vodka. 
I’m sick of dire straits and sick of the same damn songs you all have been hearing. This is why I don’t buy blu-ray movies. I can’t watch the same movie everyday. I have enough with my daughter playing the same "baby shark" song 24/7.
We move the hell on and begin with new music which won’t include classical music since i don’t have an ear for that and i won’t criticize those who love whisky or classical music. It’s their thing, more power to them.

Well folks, I have 2 more videos left that I shot at the Florida Audio Expo. Once these are released, I will be preparing the first set of presentations that will lead to the unveil of the most expensive power amplifier I've ever owned. Will this be the king? Is this the one that can knock the Mephisto monos off their king status? 

We will find out... The only thing I can say is that I've had "Ferraris" in terms of power amplifiers but now I'm bringing a Lamborghini... What will I prefer? Can this huge M1 Abraham tank blast off anything else I've been in front of in my room?

You'll soon find out. Stay tuned for the unthinkable. 

Correct and this is probably what the new xs Preamp will bring - more transparency. 
Fyne f112 is great. I almost bought it when i first heard it. As much as i want to keep trying more speakers, i am starting to lose the motivation to keep changing them out. Too much work, lifting, crate storage, etc etc. Just painful to deal with. I also almost bought the wilson xlf but i never heard it before and i didn't want to deal with 2,000 lbs. The XLF almost became a reality for me right after the Alexx. Always been curious about that speaker since it always had glowing reviews. 
I plan to do the first and only video on youtube where i will give MY PERSONAL opinion on the 4 current gryphon amps I've had: 
Mephisto
Colloseum
Essence
Antileon Evo

I will also decide on which amp i think is the best power amplifier out of those 4 and why. I'm still taking down notes on this and want to be sure i got my placings correct. 
Hi guys 
So i think the powercords i have mentioned for both amps actually make sense. Yes i can always try stock pc vs stock pc but i think it is more fun to simply add a great powercord on a good amp to see if this good amp can take out the great amp with a stock pc? This would be an eye opener for many of you because you now could have more ideas for your own rig. Instead of changing for a much more expensive amp, why not get a great powercord for your amp instead and see if that is enough to best the amplifier you're thinking about buying?



@thezaks:

We clearly hear differently. You perceived something different than Kren did. I'm only sharing what's happening inside the room at this point. 



@pokey77 
Thanks for the added context. I did have someone else who had the 160m and he said they just were awful with his set up as well. He also used the ref10 as preamp which he still owns. I guess the general feeling is the same for the most part. 
When it comes to wilson’s being better to compare amps than mágico, that is a mixed bag. For one, i think both let me hear the changes i make throughout my system.
The Alexx always told me what happened each time i changed anything.
That said, the tricky part comes with regards to which speaker does a better job at showing you the before and after in each category:
  • Lows
  • Mids
  • Highs


For now, what i will share is that the mágico m6 is better at showing changes in the low registers than the alexx was when I changed components.The other 2 categories will be disclosed later on.

With regards to the 160m, i did prefer the 160s. I think the 160m is great but maybe it needs the ref6se for full effect. I don’t feel like it drives the m6 with precision and speed. The bass might sound as if there is more but in reality you’re hearing loose bass.
I have failed to make the 160m sing in any of my set ups but i will take the blame for this. I have not used the proper speakers for this amp and this doesn’t do them justice. They could have been amazing with my sasha daw or even alexia 2.
For this very same reason, i have decided to stop any efforts with the 160m and the m6. I will pack the 160m  and send them away this week.
You are just applying the logic that I have  already communicated above...it’s not really a prediction. It’s like predicting that the lakers will either lose or win their next game lol...not really a prediction

Ps. The XLF is actually more interesting to me than the alexx v. 
I never buy the same car twice even if it is redesigned. Not my personality. 
I’m going to find out if the alexx v tomorrow really impresses me or just makes me feel what i already felt a few months ago with the Alexx. I’m not looking to bring the same sound back in my room and pay another obscene amount of money for just redundancy. I’m a firm believer that buying mk2 of anything when you already had mk1 is often times a bad move. You’re buying 60-70% of the same thing you already had.
Here’s one example in which i could justify going from one model to the other:
Going from a C7 corvette to a C8. It’s a completely different car.

I’ve been vocal about how good of a deal the Alexia 1 is over just about any other wilson speaker when factoring in the depreciation.
Now, there won’t be alexia 3 and i expect the new replacement of the Alexia to be a worthy purchase because it is a complete new design just like the XVX was over the xlf.

Here is something i found on a different site:

Wilsons:
- Cons:
- Wilsons have improved on driver <-> driver coherence over the past years especially with the larger models.
- All Wilsons to some degree have an emphasis on mid - bass.
- Wilsons other than the larger models do not exhibit effortlessness at higher SPLs (like heard with horns and bigger Vivids)

- Pros:
- Very dynamic speakers, any size, more so with larger models.
- Excellent imaging. Spacial cues can be superb if set up properly and with complementary gear.
- Strong powerful articulate bass, remind me of high quality studio monitors back in my amateur recording days. Some may call it overblown bass, to each his own.
- Slightly warm sounding (see midbass bump above), some like it some don't.

Magicos:
- Cons:
- Can sound lean depending on associated gear and room setup. One person's lean is another's accurate. M series rectifies this.
- Can exhibit less than tight and strong bass unless exceptional amplification is applied.

- Pros:
- Dynamics are excellent with great gear, lots of power required
- Driver coherence is exceptional - of one cloth if set up correctly.
- Very good imaging (not as spot - on as Wilson)
- With the M series - phenomenal realism (tonal accuracy, balance), effortless at higher levels.

Both brands are top performers and there is no perfect loudspeaker
You are correct with your last statement. When it comes to the M6, it won’t take half-a$$ed amplification. Whatever amplifiers you thought were "awesome" before might not be so good anymore with this speaker.
I have 3 sets of monoblocks coming in over the next 6 weeks. I have to start feeding the M6 huge power to see how it behaves and so 1200 watts into 4 ohms might be a great starting point.
For now, just know that pass labs is REALLY a total shock for me when it comes to the synergy i find with it and the M series speaker. I actually communicated this to Mike at Suncoast audio and after hearing the 60.8s in here he is now a believer. I think it is the slight warmth of the pass amps, BUT you still have to accommodate the amplifier to the best of your ability by way of better powercords, stands, ground, etc. in order to really make it "click" with the M6.
The magico tweeter is ultra-ULTRA revealing which is what some can pick up as "shrill or bright". In order to fine tune this revealing aspect of the speaker you have to investigate and see what amplification and cabling does the trick.
No question about it, Wilson plays nicer with a much wider array of electronics than the M6 does.
I would love to bring the Wilson XLF in here even though most people would knock it for being 9 years old and "supposedly" not better than my old Alexx. I dont believe for one second that the former Alexx is better than the XLF.
Although the Alexx V is on my radar and i am actually going to go listen to it tomorrow with Boulder 2110, 2160, i am not quite sure i want to revisit what i already had (older model).

Kren said he heard more bass with 160m and you said you heard loose bass to which i agreed. 
Basically you and him heard two different things. 
viber:
i am no DJ nor am i taking requests here. You get a free meal here and make the best assessment with what i give you. It doesn’t cost you a penny. I am doing all the heavy lifting here.
But i will challenge you, take a video of your Bryston and your entire system and post it on youtube and then i will play any amount of songs you want me to.
i am basically telling you i am willing to become your DJ if you post videos of your rig, but dont tell me you tried and you couldnt get a video that represents what you are hearing in person. I want you to find out on your own how challenging it is to get accurate videos. 
Meet the Gryphon Essence

https://youtu.be/JHFzceFCj5M



Who said 50 watts isn’t enough?
I’m erasing all doubts here that not all watts are created equal. If this amp can drive my m6 the way you are hearing it now, DO NOT think for one second it can’t drive yours. I’m almost positive most of you don’t have a speaker that presents the overall load that this speaker is presenting to the essence. 
I kept this hidden to prove a point. I wanted to let you all hear rather than me telling you that this thing is killer with only 50 watts. 
@klh007 
and i know you are on different forums asking about preamplifiers for the gryphon and also looking into ch precision preamps etc, etc. i might have spoiled those efforts for you... sorry lol
With Pandora you will find more warmth and an analog feeling. You still lose the ultra resolution that you get by going dac direct but you now have more "usable" volume and can crank it louder without the sound punishing you.
With dac direct, you are walking a thin line with regards to volume level. You can’t quite blast the music because youll be overwhelmed by the resolution and projection of the high frequency. The pandora solves this at louder volume levels.
Trade offs are present when doing dac direct. It’s all about your listening habits and this is what will determine which way to go: preamp or no preamp.
Make no mistake that going with a preamp will always result in greater grip and control over the speakers. The m6 are telling me: you want pure resolution? Go dac direct but don’t crank it up too loud. You want to hear more soundstage and deeper lower registers as well as more volume? Use the preamp.
Anyhow,
I just had a one hour listening session with the Alexx v and Boulder 2160, 2110. My thoughts will slowly emerge on a future video. 
So on the video you posted, at the 29 & 30 second mark, he makes my ears hurt when he screams. Are you saying that magico is actually closer to the real thing then ? Because i hear this exact shouty feeling when a singer hits their notes hard through the magico while other speakers just ended up mellowing out these particular passages. I’d love to know what is truth or a lie about sound reproduction. I don’t believe for one second that ALL music sounds smooth and yes some speakers smooth out everything and yet we think of this as a damn good sound reproduction.