My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Thanks. 
Im still trying to learn how to drive these new speakers. That said, the next time you all see them, it will be a substantial improvement over what you all hear. Trust me on this. 
The video is a way to simply have a reality check for most of us here. 
I tried to articulate things as best as possible and the youtube comments have been extremely welcoming of this video. 
Moving on...
Jay has received 5 more boxes plus one more crate....what can it be...hmm..
Remember,
Price isn’t what tells you how much better something must be.
If you spend 50k in an item for your rig it doesn’t mean you’ll get 50k worth of additional satisfaction by buying the new item.
People don’t always understand that there is a reason WHY some items are called "big bang" for the buck. There is a reason why this terminology exists. That said, if you spent 30k in your rig and your buddy spent 60k and yet you feel yours is 90% as good as his, it doesn’t make you the winner lol. You’re still losing to his rig. It’s just that he feels spending another 30k to improve 10% is worth it to him.
You really believe that your toyota supra is better than a dodge viper acr only because you can keep up with it if you were to race? No it’s not...
" I almost beat you and your viper in my mitsubishi lancer and i only spent 20k.."

" You are still in my rear view mirror no matter what"
Probably no soulution for me. I plan to bring a  few brands never seen on my channel though. Tubes will enter in the room as well. I'm still about 4-5 weeks away from trying tubes. I plan to try new line conditioners, new powercords, etc. Maybe a new linestage here as well. 
Lots and lots stuff up my sleeve that i didn't have access to when i had the Alexx. 
More to come for sure. 


PS: i didn't like the soulution Integrated. I do understand the 7 series is on another level though but i don't feel it is for me given the price points. I can't have it all :)
Cant really be vocal on that with regards to any brand unfortunately. That said, I’m sure others can private message you and tell you more than I can.

@inna
Lately you have presenting your opinions better than when you first started posting here. Thank you for that.
Some individuals are more abrasive as i mentioned on yesterday’s video.
I welcome all positive and negative criticism but please exclude destructive criticism.
 i also want feedback from those who want to simply see how far I can push the envelope with the Magico M6. 
I have no air in my lungs to articulate things over and over and over again. I haven’t even placed the mágico with the supporting cast that will elevate it yet we are already "prosecuting" the speaker without it ever having a fair trial. It’s really stupid and it displays the ignorance, stupidity, blatant behavior that some are willing to enforce in order to end a good opportunity to hear one of the best speakers out there ONLY because they don’t see themselves EVER capable of affording it. Some people haven't even seen the speaker in person so clearly they wouldn't know how it sounds. 
With all that said, even if I were to surprise some people with this speaker and what i have planned for it, you REALLY think someone would come out and say:
 " wow Jay i was critical of the m6 at first and now it has blown me away. I was wrong for assuming so much" 

Hell no that wouldn't happen... 

Let’s see how the Antileon does tomorrow with pandora and synergistic cables.
I'm sure you have messages techno. It's no different than the ones I'm getting to report you. 

All
So I want to make sure I am as transparent as possible here. If i ever had to take "shots" at the general public here, it was never meant to be for any of you but techno. I can’t recall anyone else being so straight up harsh and just salty and bitter. I can’t recall the last time anyone was so "techno". If i ever hurt feelings, just know it was never meant to be for any of you except the perpetrator here. WHAT does he contribute? NOTHING. 
Remember, 
You are hearing the sound that i had in here one week ago... It is now different and you will hear that in a week or so...
I'm not sure synergistic research works well with mágico just yet. I'm still playing with other cables. 
I've always said it, when you change components, you have to be ready to change something else since often times that is what needs to happen. 
Soulution is huge money. Plus my gut tells me it is going to be replaced this year. Close sources to me have already told me the new 7 series is coming. You see the 701s listed? 55k and they are like 160 msrp and they aren’t moving. Close your eyes and think why that is...
Jay has something coming in a few months so don’t worry.
If someone wants to bring their 7 series soulution here then I’m game.
Anyhow, today you will hear the m6 with pandora and synergistic research cables. Then you all will hear it on a separate video with Nordost Odin Speaker cables and the NEW shunyata omega powercords which makes its first appearance in my room. These 2 cables is what I've been using over the last 48 hours so I'll shoot videos this weekend to let you all hear how it compares to full synergistic Research Galileo. I think most will be surprised with the change in tonality and the added warmth shunyata omega adds to the overall sound. 
Stay tuned for more. 
@pokey77 
You articulated things perfectly. Anytime you get a new you are most likely going to have to change something else and often times it is done by trial and error. 
Anyone who buys a totally different Speaker to what they currently own should be prepared to spend more money besides the speakers in order to achieve maximum synergy. 
Strap your seatbelts... DCS VERSUS MSB will be happening courtesy of yours truly....
Never ever been done on social media. The best shoot out of 2021? 
We will find out... 
One step at a time... I have more equipment sitting on the sidelines you all haven't seen...
ok Inna, 
did you just say Magico M6 is a musical speaker? well... you can't take words back now..  :-)
All the texts and emails plus messages i received just now are thanking me for my response.
There are people who actually want to see the channel and my future shoot outs. I don’t understand why there is always someone who loves to ruin it for the rest.
It’s a threat if you feel you can’t put your money where your mouth is. As simple as that.
There are A LOT of flies on the wall that are quietly eager to hear the MSB vs DCS shootout. This includes people in high places from both companies.
If you follow my channel, you should have seen the first images of both dacs sitting next to each other yesterday. Also, after speaking to high profile youtuber, he suggested i use this shootout as means to get me to the 5,000 subscriber mark which is something he has done to get to north of 40k subscribers himself. With that said, the shootout will happen once i reach 5,000 subscribers. I will promote the upcoming shootout on my future videos (please dont complain or get desperate).
Once we have arrived at 5,000 subscribers, we will commence the showdown between 2 highly regarded dacs.
All i ask is for you all to do your part and share my channel with your friends and over other platforms (facebook, instagram, ). If you visit other forums/sites, etc, please help spread the word. I am not asking for a dime, but rather just to do a small part. Can we hit 5k subscribers by the end of the month? i think so!
Thanks for the support guys. I couldn’t do this without you all!
so what do you say to the rest who are chiming in now to show you zero support and who also laugh at your imbecile acts on here? 
I’m shaking in my boots. Grab your lawyer. They start at 799/hr. You might have to sell your Luxman.
This would be the perfect time for you to crawl out of the room.
You’ve been disruptive here and audiogon has that on record. Care to  share with users here that you were already banned here by audiogon for a few weeks?

 Yes, in case you all don’t know, he was banned from posting on forums here and was granted access to post again if he was to behave and stop creating narratives. I’ll let the mods do their thing.

Tomorrow at 12pm: meet the speakers that many of you have been asking about: Acora Acoustics. These are made from granite!

 

 

This video is 40 minutes long. It is great content that I hope people learn something from. Should you be trusting reviewers that have no dedicated rooms? Should a reviewer with a huge following cashing big checks from YouTube spend money in a good room? This is a very controversial topic. Don’t miss it!

It's common sense: if you have a big following and are making money hand over first, YOU MUST HAVE A DEDICATED ROOM or else you're clearly not a serious audiophile. 

@grey9hound 
I don't doubt that Vinyl would be a much better experience than digital. I heard some recording from 1955 over at suncoast and i couldn't believe the realism. It was spooky to say the least. The voice sounded natural, the instruments were lacking the synthetic tone that digital often times adds to the music. It was impressive for sure man. 
I know there is a huge crowd for Vinyl. I understand why that is. Who knows if there will be another source down the road that can come close to Vinyl and i don’t mean a dac.
For now, i don't think there is a dac that can close the gap regardless of the price. Dacs are getting more expensive because they are working harder and harder to remove the digital artifacts and lower noise and get closer to  analog. 
That said, the issue is that no matter how expensive a dac is, we are still at the mercy of the crappy streaming services. 


There is another Amplifier in the house.... Antileon isn’t alone...
Pass labs 60.8 and xp32 are long gone. 
well, i dont want to speak to soon since i am evaluating this device for only one hour so far,  but i think i have just spent less than $1,000 dollars on a device that took my system to a whole new level. Anybody here who streams WILL benefit from this. I won’t give my full recommendation until i keep using it for a few days, but if you have a little bit of money stashed away and want to push your digital experience to newer heights, stay tuned here for more.
Sounds like you’re eager to hear the M6 huh Kren? 😂

It is coming... I’ll dedicate the next M6 video to you...how’s that sound man?

Nah I’m just kidding... I’m just working on a boat load of other things for the system that i haven’t shown you all just yet. Patience...
I am still working on assembling the MSB dac, waiting on the preamp module for it and a couple of powercords for it. MSB dac is modular so it needs to be ordered to your specifications. The preamp module option will be the finishing touch. I got a call set up tomorrow with MSB to go over the set up. 
Did i say i wasn’t going to buy monos?
I’m not sure where i wrote that?
What makes you think i won’t do monos of some sort down the road at some point?
I can throw any gryphon stereo amp against any lower priced monos from any manufacturer and trust me it won’t lose. You act like the word "stereo" amp when it comes to a 60k Mephisto is some sort of compromise? Really...that amp stumps on just about any mono under it..
What about the monster $110k constellation hercules mk2 stereo amplifier?.
I've been getting messages in regards to the MSB vs DCS shootout. As i stated before, this will happen once we hit 5k subscribers. If you all can do a small part spreading the word throughout different forums then that would be great. 
It looks like it will be a month before we do this. 
Well...i just installed the preamp module on the MSB dac...OMG...holy crap...the difference is like DAY and NIGHT and I’m not even using the dac straight into the amp!!!
It's a small computer card that msrps for $6k and man the difference is just unbelievable. I don't know how they do it...