My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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I still don't understand why Gryphon doesn't sell as much as it should. 
Gryphon and Boulder are easily my top 2 Amplifier brands. 
If i were looking to become a dealer, gryphon would be the first brand I'd pursue. 
I remember when I started getting curious about gryphon a few years back. Once i bought my first Gryphon product, there was no going back. 
Only boulder has been able to enter the ring with Gryphon for me. Everyone else has gotten smoked. 
I want to take the opportunity to learn mágico more. I am clear on what Wilson does or doesn’t do but i can’t quite say i know mágico. Each time I’ve had it, it’s been going too soon. I want to settle with the m6 for a few months and see how far I can get with them.
You can wrap the speaker in pink, purple or any color you wish. 
Just as an fyi, i hope to do a 3 way shoot out of 3 different preamps. One of them is the XP32 and we will throw it under fire against a linestage that retails for twice the price and then against another one that is almost 3 times the price of the XP32. 
How will the xp32 do? i guess we shall find out...
but NOTHING is being said anymore about the cheaper offerings such as the DAW, Parasound JC1, etc. Is anyone else here not capturing this? 
I was criticized in the past for only bringing expensive components and right now i feel like people want me to bypass all that and get to the serious electronics...  Isn't that funny? 
:) 
I’m enjoying M6 right now 😂
They are sounding more solid each day.
Next year I'll revisit Wilson. I need a break for now from the Wilson sound. I've been doing it for too long. 

It looks like we have someone who prefers  Magico and Gryphon and wasn't too impressed by Boulder. 
It also looks like someone heard my M6 and is now about to pull the trigger on the M3 after he realized the baby 60.8s can be used to drive the M6 without an issue. 
Tomorrow's video will be quite interesting for many of you. You get to hear an opinion from someone who was in my room this past weekend. He will share what he heard and why he chose the amplifier he liked best. 

Wcss said i don’t like the sound based on what i heard ..too warm 🥵... Almost like the old sonus faber sound.....
Ok I'm about to get hosed by harbeth owners...
@kren:

you will be shocked in part 2 of the video. Mike will go on the record and say which amp he thinks sounds best with Magico. 
As an FYI, Mike is still a Soulution dealer although he is not listed as a dealer. If you go to his youtube channel you will see soulution being displayed...
You'll see ! 
We are a week away from finding out what power amplifier im playing with. 
I wont forget @suncoast_audio face when the bass hit during the "poem of Chinese drum" song. It was as if a sledge hammer was hitting the wall behind the speakers.
Mike stands behind magico (as he should) but he isn’t all about mágico all the time. He also loves the sonus faber aida 2 just like i do.
The one thing i can say about Mike is that him and i have very similar taste buds when it comes to tonality.
We both have always said Gryphon and Boulder are killer components and this was way before him and i met a few years back. He’s always respected my journey.
I’ll actually share something with you which is that i have been the one telling him for quite sometime about Nordost cables and he finally listened to me and is now a Nordost dealer after he had a chance to hear their valhalla 2 series.
Yes, at the end of the day he’s a business and has to make money but i can say one thing about him which is that i have not seen him take on lines he doesn’t like sonically speaking. We’ve had many conversations about all sorts of brands that he doesn’t even carry but he really likes so he doesn’t only love what he sells.( He likes Martin logan, sonus faber, revel salon 2, etc and he isn’t a dealer for those brands).
Lovely sh!t talk from you... I bought a few pieces from Suncoast and he was nice enough to deliver them to me. Do you need me to email you the invoice too ?
This is why I just opened an account over at audioshark about one hour ago so that i can begin to transition out once i feel it’s non sense to keep posting here due to the stupid narratives created.
Maybe instead of defending myself here from the bs you present, i should be reading what Flemming Rasmussen is saying about me over there.
In case you don’t know who he is then just Google it and you’ll know.
Makes no sense for me to prove anything here when I am actually being greeted elsewhere. Maybe you should continue the show here techno with your rig. Plenty of peeps would love for you to step in.


"Well i think we can learn a lot from Jay , all of us who can’t afford swapping gear like he can, and prior to Youtube hw was on a forum ( Audiogon ) telling about his findings , so going youtube just makes things more easy to understand what he mean / thinks about different combinations of gear. One can always try to explain in written words but it will never be the same as to listen to youtube.....and yes youtube is not perfect as one has to be in the actual room with the actual gear at that moment , to hear and understand what’s really going on. I at least think its great to have someone like Jay doing this stuff.


Flemming"


I’ll say it here first:
I just paid for wilson Audio Chronosonic and  relentless monoblocks. Stay tuned for more
Thanks for the added context Ron17. 

Dave:
I am still running synergistic research (i typically list the components playing as seen on the latest comparisons)


It’s discontinued...that’s what happens with each wilson speaker once it gets discontinued... The next speaker to be discontinued is the Alexia 2 next year...you’ll see 30 pairs of Alexia 2 listed once that happens.
@greginnh 
This has always been techno...that's what he does all the time. He feels that creating narratives is a cool addition to this thread. 
Anyhow , let's move on. After everyone already went off on him, he won't say anything for a few days and go into hiding as he usually does. 
I don't hear viewers who seem to have a negative contribution or who seem to ONLY add NOTHING but stories that nobody cares to hear. 

I can only speak about the 300i for now. You should really keep your eyes locked in on it... Lots of bang for the buck. 

BREAKING NEWS 
BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS

Gryphon will cease partnership with on a higher note. Gryphon will now follow a direct distribution model effective tomorrow. There will be no more distributor for Gryphon. This follows the same pattern that Luxman has done. 
Guys this is EXCELLENT news for all of you. Wow. I'm shocked !
@pokey77 
You said it better than i did. This is about synergy and nothing else. 
I will release a short video over the weekend of my first encounter with the Alexx V today! 
Hi Ken
Thanks for sharing your journey above. I have always been curious about audionet. It has been the brand that has escaped me but you never know what the future holds.
For now, i don’t have plans to bring audionet but that is typically how it is for me until the opportunity presents itself and then i have it here.
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts!
So women chose magico...
according to what has been said, women have better hearing than men...hmm...
Is there a doctor in the house  that can explain this...uhem...
I’ll begin to extinguish the fire soon...I’ve been very vocal about the fact that I’m going to be moving up the ladder slowly when it comes to electronics and that I’m simply playing with the smaller (cheaper) offerings to satisfy the desire from those who want to hear this level of gear so they don’t feel left out.
With that said, my first component for the mágico lands in fort Lauderdale International Airport on Monday.
The msrp of this component is $83,000.... Yes it’s a source... Strap on your seat belt because sh!t is about to get REAL soon...I’m just sitting here eating nachos while i watch the discussion here...
Jay’s face = 😁

Oh, let me address the next criticism before it is said:
" oh wow Jay you had to spend $83,000 in a source to elevate the already expensive mágico speaker..."

Jay’s answer: " yes, i am about to turn up the boost on this 2000hp dodge viper. We’ve been driving around on low boost "
You're correct...neutral without character is an accurate statement. 
You are hearing what is coming to them and not what isn't coming. I think you're the first person here who has actually made one accurate comment about the m6. 
Issue is most people want the "easy" way out by finding colored speakers which isn’t wrong....it’s a different approach...
Most people are "scared" of trying revealing speakers because their room might stink like $h!t once they hear what their electronics really sound like...
Very few dare to buy ultra revealing speakers because they know it is not for the faint of heart.
Wasn’t that why many people criticized my Mephisto? Yes...i remember...ultra revealing..a wild child that won’t tolerate bs...
If you can rip a page from my book it should it " don't buy revealing stuff if you lose your head easily. ". 
I want a camaro zl1 or zl1 1le. The latter has my attention because it is a track oriented vehicle that comes with sticky tires and more aggressive suspension at the expense of a harsh ride. There are different options for a reason folks. 





Why don’t we get serious here... Shall we ?
Here we go:

https://youtu.be/m6J11Uxqg04

Let the critics come out now...don’t hide behind the damn bushes now. I’m here waiting...silently.
Where is the shrillness? Where is the harshness ? Where is the sterile cold sound? Where is the lack of clarity?
Go ahead and write your essay real careful before you answer.
You might want to consult with your partner, friend, spouse, gf, or anyone else to be sure you are hearing correctly before you post. 

Constellation pictor preamp is sounding impressive with the boulder 3060. I gotta do a video of the 3 preamps i have here. 

Lol. You can’t make your phone speaker sing buddy. I could bring the damn live presentation in my room and it won’t help you. You should try to invest in something else. 
I have to say that some of the "harshest" critics of the high end (wilsons, magicos, big focals, etc, etc) tend to be people whose reference points have not been that "high".
For instance, i can totally understand if someone hates Magico or Wilson or any other high end brand as long as THEIR reference point is or has been "high" as well. I don’t quite get how someone can despise what is considered by most the "pinnacle" of audio when they have never played in that same arena or level.
You can’t hate on Ferrari unless you have owned a Lambo (this is just an example). How could you hate on Ferrari or Lambo if your fingers have never hugged the steering wheel of one of those beasts or let alone own one? What "qualified" experience do you have to completely "$hit" on supercars when you are pushing a Honda Civic? (please don’t take offense, i am only making a point).
I understand i am "public" and i have to roll with the punches, but could you all imagine if i decided to pick apart the systems of those who are harsh with ultra high end? I’d look like a total a$$... I’d be the prick.
That said, giving an opinion is great and yes in the end this is all about an opinion what we do here on this thread.
Just remember, there is a difference between an "opinion" or being "abrasive" to the point that you seem angry and are trying to justify what you own over what someone else has which doubles, triples, quadruples what you have invested on your rig.
This isn’t an attempt at trying to block opinions. On the contrary, this is an attempt at making sure that opinions are given instead of destructive criticism - which some people simply love to do.
Lastly, yes we all know that more money does not equal better performance all the time. Some of the best systems out there are costly because in order for you to get an extra 5% improvement in a system that pretty much has everything would cost a ton of more money. The more "up ladder" you go, the larger the amount of money needed to make a slight improvement.
Lets say you have a system that is a total of about $30,000 for everything and the amplifier in this rig is $3k and now you are about to buy an amp that is $10,000. The improvement this $30k system would experience is HUGE. 
In contrast, if you have a $300,000 system with the amplifier costing around $40k and you decide to replace it with a $60k amplifier, the improvement in this system won't be as drastic as the system that costs $30k (assuming both of these systems are properly designed systems of course). This is because that $300k system is nearing a point in which the room for improvement is not as big as the cheaper system. 
The law of diminishing returns is much larger in the ultra high end systems. It always has been and it will always be. 
This issue has been discussed by YouTube on several forums. The word is that when the video is being watched by many, the quality differs. They claim that the best time to watch videos is in the middle of the night in order to avoid heavy traffic. I can't say with certainty how true this is. 
When you play at this level, there is no more 4 digit components that make a huge contribution unless you're talking powercords, stands or xlr. Each component becomes 5 or 6 digits in order to make a significant impact on the presentation. Yes I'm not excited to say it but it does sting to watch your money fly out of your hands. 


That is one of the many things i am investigating. I want to pin point what each speaker does and what is really truthful or just added reverb, silibance, etc. We will soon find out what is going on. 
The electronics influence the sound quite significantly. The improvement is not always proportional to the money spent though. It becomes a matter of knowing how to mix and match components and having a clear understanding of what you are looking for sonically speaking. 
Very different approach to soundstage. The alexx has a huge soundstage that fills the room top to bottom. However, it is a taller speaker as well and the tweeter is also placed higher.
No matter what kind of recordings i played, the alexx always spoiled me with a huge sound.
The m6 is a different animal. It won’t play huge unless the supporting gear and recordings are telling it to do so.
You could stream Pandora with an iPhone into the Alexx and the sound will fill your room. Not so with the Magico M6.
Just last night, i was playing with my new toys and i got a much larger presentation with the m6 than what i have been getting since I got the speaker. This leads me to believe that my electronics need to certainly come up (we know I’m playing with cheaper components for now).
The m6 is just completely different than the Alexx. They couldn’t be more different.
Actually this reminds me of cars.
For instance, i just recently found out that to make 2,000 hp from a dodge viper costs over $50,000 dollars. Very few shops work on the viper and the turbos plus engine work is quite expensive. In contrast, you can make a nissan GTR push 1800-2000hp with far less money... See what I mean? We have 2 different platforms here and both take different money to make it faster. That’s the best analogy i can give for now.