The quote says the Magico M3 were financed by selling the Boulder pre. The quote then says the the Magico will be for sale too.
How come, in this normal world where normal physics apply, can someone SALE a pair of FINANCED Magicos if they never made it in...in the first place ? Lol Only Wall Street speculators can move things like this...
Maple already answered I guess. We are obviously being lied.
Same feeling when you enter a car showroom and the dealer starts the sale speach... |
It’s not about whats the best for the money anymore. It’s about the ego, it’s about showing the gear his dealer close relations are going to sell, it’s about ´´ ... you know at this level all is good , it’s just different you know ´´...
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Wow I’m away one week, and the Wilsons Alexia 2 are gone !
And Focal are back in. Cool for sure. 😃
WC, remember how many times I told you Wilsons don’t have the resolution of Focals. Now you see the light. It’s mostly in the driver tech. Focal has mastered... Like Magico and Dynaudio, they make their own.
Also, with the Stella you get 2 midrange drivers per speakers. That makes a huge difference in a big room at higher volume. ( clarity with tall imaging). This is why speakers with the d’ Apolito arrangement is so popular among diyers. Most of the time they add a pair of quick subwoofers to those and get huge sound that can rival some well known models.
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There seems to be more objective opinions lately. Maybe a lot of subjectivity was from hardcore Wilson defenders who can’t tolerate criticism. Well, Wilsons are gone and simply outmatched by a much bigger maker which is Focal.
And we also have new ideas, like Tektons and their potential. It is a good thing to see the whole and the relatively , not just the highly moly creamy on top...
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WC is just confirming what I have been telling him from the beginning...
Wilson tweeters are simply subpar to Focal Be Tweeters. Also to B&W diamond tweeters.
Any Wilson speakers , may it be their flagship ones, will be subpar on that critical part of the audio spectrum. Speed, thanks for your service.
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B&W ´s tweeter is even better. Diamond has lower resonance than Beryllium. So you get less hotness and hifish tizziness . |
WC should upgrade the fuses in the miraculous Gryphon Mephisto amplifier. It would make it even more miraculous.
Add to that a change of dac. dcS was successful in the past with it’s ring dac. Today is a new ball game. Someone does not need to put this much on a dac anymore. |
Magico, dcS , Wilson, in 2020 they all charge too much for what they offer in the end... |
I’ ll take the Boulder preamp over the Gryphon anytime. Why ?
Because Gryphon was always a master amp maker, never a preamp one. So asking the total $$$ for their amps is one thing, but for their preamps...a big no no.
Same thing applies to their line of cables imho. |
Sell the Pandora, buy a power generator. 😉 |
You just prooved my point, if WC changes speaker again , it should be for Magico. Wilson again after having tried 3 different pairs, I doubt it and very improbable...
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Wilson is not in the same class as Focal and Magico. This is not bashing, but recognizing truth. Focal and Magico design and produce their own drivers. Focal and Magico are also work of art... |
2 new components coming in...I knew I had some sub conscious influence on WC but that much. 😄 |
About the Suncoast video. I really don’t think it’s a good idea for someone to tell his audio seller he has 100k $ or 200k$ to blow right away. Most sellers are on commission, so it’s their pocket interest before yours... Human nature is human nature, they will naturally sell you the products they make the most margin on...
The guy in the video should have ask his customer what makes him think 200k will additionally get him instead of 100k...to begin with...
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ricevs is right.
This is why I ´m not buying any bi wireable speakers anymore. The less contacts the better. |
According to the op, since the beginning, it’s « the JOURNEY » that drives his choices.
But the reality...It’s really more about the « DEAL OF THE DAY » that drives the op moves.
With that last Focal Stella Evo quick departure, it’s plainly obvious to anyone with common sense.
Not saying that’s bad. Not judging. His hobby. His liberty. Just saying to remember there is « huge part of market opportunities » hovering around the reviews and upgrades... |
That ´s car music. And it do sound better in my car. Thanks to iPad.
Carbon fibre speakers. Remember the Performance 6 from Mordaunt Short ?...
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Stop writing the words consulting and fees, last time I knew it was forbidden guys.
Well maybe it’s not anymore. Maybe it just depends on WC’s mood of the day.
Seems like he is agreeing to talk about it. What’s the exact fee WC to use your services ?
—— Complaint mode to mod enabled ——
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Dave, WC doesn’t like when we write about his new consulting offered services. Somehow he talked to mods into deleting everything that relates to this matter. Why, I don’t have a clue.
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As I, Ron and viber said, your last video sounded like radio shack...
Using it as « deluxe » background music in the kitchen right now.
Who knew 150k of Gryphon and Magico could assist so well in making spaghetti sauce. |
Please let the Magico M3 settle in before making any precipitated judgment.
They are far from broken in, and are not on their dedicated footers yet.
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All the Evo Focal series have the same Be tweeter. The difference is the tuning ( crossover) in the Stella because of the 2 midrange drivers. That is what WC was hearing. |
Well, the Alexx are the worst looking pair of speakers to have entered WC ´s room.
The 5 inch upper midrange is the same driver as in the Sabrina... ( made by Scanspeak). You would never see something like this with Focal. |
Always said the Alexia had boomy bass. It was always denied. Now the truth comes out again... Someone has to blow 100k with Wilson to get controlled bass ( what a shame), this is why Focal and Magico are in a whole other class. |
I wonder when somebody will say thew words that really should go with a speaker like this.
The time domain is really terrable, and the impedance is even worse.
How can this ever be called high end?
To me this looks like someone without any knowledge of speaker design ran into a huge stack of components, drivers, MDF and veneer, and had a lot of fun.
If I did this speakers measured performance, I would start all over again. The sure to come comment asking "Did you listen to it?" will be answered no, I did not, and I do not see any reason for it.
Good measurements will not promise anything when it comes to listening experiments, but bad measurements will always do so. I´ve never heard any speaker or other component perform well if the measurements were lousy.
And this set of measurements is way in the dessert |
Sciencecop and Viber , I agree 100%.
And, not the least, we all know the real reasons behind how long speakers stay in WC’s room is:
A) A buyer is contacting him to buy the pair asap.
B) Deal or trade opportunity that comes through and let him get the next wanted piece...
We know for sure Focal Stella and Scala Evos made it to interested buyers very quickly. The reason is Focal resells much better than Wilson. As I said, it’s in another whole other class.
And, we get to know the flaws of Alexias and DAWs , boomy less controlled bass, after it is gone. This I must ask WC, why did you never reveal this very important flaw before... Why must we always wait until a piece of gear is gone before we learn the cons of it ?... |
With all that speaker experience, having owned Focal, Magico, Dynaudio , Vivid....WC wants us to believe he couldn’t recognize less controlled « boomy »bass from the Wilson Daw and Alexia 2.... before getting the Alexx. Wow.
And we are supposed to believe that.
Sorry, but it is obvious you never mentioned this important information purposely. Even an objective begining reviewer would have not omitted this kind of speaker major caractéristic. WC, you are not different from all those magasine reviews in not telling the flaws of the gear you try and eventually resell or trade.
It is pure disappointment we have to wait until the gear is gone to learn the whole thing about a product. Especially when the reviewer is experienced, this has no rational explaination. |
These Boulder 2150 are the Mephisto killer we’ve all been waiting for. |
Wow ricevs, I couldn’t have said it better. +1 +++++ |
Simplicity is still king in audio. Less contacts the better. Sure it’s not always practical, choices have to be made. Some wants to buy complex big expensive speakers that will need big complex expensive amps. Their choices , not mine. In the end, it doesn’t sound better...just bigger...louder... Someone can achieve this otherwise. Someone has to look whats inside, make a little research, be warned sellers are not always fully honest, etc.
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Let me predict the future again...
...the Boulders have less bass...
Obviously, any amp has less bass than the Mephisto, because it is what Gryphon does to all their amps..,they bias up the bass. They are geared that way. It impresses the boy in you that crave for that omph feeling...
The my system has more bass than yours type of guy. The my Camaro has more hp than yours type. |
The interior build of the Boulder amps are just in a whole other class compared to the Mephisto. A much more refined product, that obviously went a lot further in research and development.
The Gryphon’s gut looks like a chinese overbuilt layout compared to the Boulders...
Gryphon is a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. Boulder is a Ferrari or Porsche...
But but but, Mephisto got huuuuge bass dynamics and shakes the whole room...😂 |
Dodge vs Ferrari.
Gryphon vs Boulder.
Boulder and Ferrari for the serious buyer who knows it’s stuff... |
Not much more speakers you can try that will compete with the Alexx and the Utopias in your room lately.
What you could do, instead if that pleases you, is try smaller and more affordable models, for fun, to see what are the tradoffs and to give your audience opinions on alternatives...insight on what the more affordable stuff gives and gives not compared to the ultra high end. You already did so with Sopra 3, ML ESL 11A, and others...
Examples that come in mind. Spendor D9.2 , Dynaudio Confidence , PMC Fact 12. |
Ouch the Boulders make the Mephisto sound like class D. |
I don’t need to hear the Gryphon combo anymore.
I can die happy now.
Someone has to be deaf to ignore that superiority ( Boulder). That last video was the best sound ever period. |
As long as it is not the Gryphon combo playing , I ‘m in youtube heaven listening to the Boulders.
Mephisto has been detroned, and will go in history as the the most expensive « class D sounding » dual mono class A amplifier... |
Well Tekton uses Scanspeak tweeters. Just like Wilson.
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It will only be a real test when you upgrade the stock powercords on the Boulders. As good as the stock pc are, they cannot complete with Audioquest Dragon on the Mephisto.
So in the meantime, stock pc on the Mephisto should absolutely be used for a test with meaning. |
It’s not fair for the Boulders , to have them on stock powercords competing with an amp on Audioquest Dragon.
This is like giving a 50 meters advance to a Dodge Viper on startup vs a Ferrari.
This is like cutting off the turbo in the Ferrari and fueling it with lame 87 octane gas....vs high octane 94 in the Dodge.
The test is biased from the start.
30k POWERCORDS !! Vs stock pc .......this is NOT SERIOUS at all. |
Sorry WC, I don’t care who idea it was, it is a huge error to compare any amplifier with Audioquest Dragon vs another amp with only stock powercords...
YOU always used stock powercords first on your amps tests. This was your philosophy and you were right, Why is this different this time.
I ll tell you why, because the Mephisto needs 30 k of powercords to have any chance competing with the Boulder. This is why. |
The Boulders are immensely more refined, on the guitar at the beginning of the first tune....I can hear more nuance and decay... The Mephisto gets broomed over as its sounds a bit midrange forward with much less ambiance and air.
The Boulders sound more real also.
And that is with normal powercords on the Boulder. Imagine with something like Audioquest Dragons....So, Boulder monos have hidden additional potential.( which is just crazy considering they are magnificent even now )
Those who say the matchup is not fair ( mono vs stereo). Sorry, I correct you , Mephisto is basically two « glued together » mono amps with two powercords feeding two separate power supply. So it’s monos vs monos in reality !
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I believe I can see Audioquest pcs behind when the Mephisto is playing. And, that was what agreed with Kren and others, was it WC ?
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mr decibel +1
This is the big con of Wilson speakers, they are made to draw too much current. It’s the out of date way of making sota speakers imho. Focal and Tekton knows this,
Boulder is besting Gryphon in both videos. Easy to judge with quality headphones and an experienced listener. |
Latest wife’s spaghetti sauce is just too good. Spicy 🌶 perfection. 😋
Could not resist sharing. |
Someone should eat the nicest spaghetti sauce among the nicest pastas when feeling offended that much. Not with too much wine though, it tends to make you write about food a little. 😁 |
Latest video just made me right again. The Boulder preamplifier crushes the Gryphon Pandora, not even close. It is making it’s magic heard clearly compared to the lower level overrated Gryphon combo.
Still in this same video, the Mephisto is limiting the system. The Boulder amps brings the experience to an even higher level. |
WC, you seem to have developed a talent in getting the wrong cables for your electronics. No pun intended.
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Focal Sopra 3 and Scala Evos were imho the best bang for the buck speakers that entered WC ´s house.
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