My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab

Showing 50 responses by techno__dude

Ok then , a very nice air filter that is very liquid sounding. Like on another level of liquid sounding.
No review yet of the Gryphon Colosseum ? It’s a pity the Dag and Pass are gone. The shootout will only be between the bright sounding Constellation monos which I really do not find appealing with their messed up inside quality build. 
Evaluating 30k $ of power cables with a cellular phone. This is not serious. Even social youtubers use them, and they are mostly students...

Get a quality microphone. 

ewert

Very nice example. The guy uses a pair of microphones, and each one is aimed at a single speaker. It’s a pity WC don’t take the time and ressources to do this the right way.

Odin 1 pc is first generation Nordost, it will always sound leaner compared to others in it’s class...like Shunyata or Cardas, etc. You have to step up to the second gen. Odin 2 or Valhalla 2 to get the new fuller Nordost sound. We don’t need copyright blocked youtube videos to know this. We already said so a couple weeks ago.
Odin 1 is still leaner than Odin 2. If it’s leaner, than it’s a must be a bit lean don’t you think ? Why make a fuller Odin 2 , if Odin 1 is not lean...
@chazzzy007
You’re supposed to ignore my posts, don’t you remember.

WC, maybe you could try to put a 5th video on yt...
Considering the Odin 2 powercord has a much fuller sound than the Odin 1 which is a bit lean, the shootout should be made using a Odin 2.
The Odin 1 is an older model, resale value is going down each day that passes.
A good thing for deal hunters, not so for the audiophile that wants the best fuller Nordost sound that competes with Shunyata and Cardas.
Nice system chazzzy. I think your last post is a nice step to peace. I like your choice of interconnects ( Nordost Tyr 2), and also the Rel sub. SHO 5.
chazzzy it’s not about us, it’s all about WC don’t you know. It doesn’t matter what we think or advise. The proof is in the mic, a cellular phone to record audiophile sota gear that’s worth in the 100k...
I agree , Rel SHO is on my to buy list. I currently use a SVS 12 inch. I’m sure the Rel would be a nice upgrade with faster and better integrated bass.
Some need to come back to their senses about the new Gryphon amp. Sometimes there seems to be only cheerleaders here...

First, new amp and speakers at the same time in that room, so impossible to say if the new big rumbling shaking sound is not more the result of the Alexia 2 than the amp...

Second, a power amp power rating and capacitance is NEVER a reflection of sound quality. Mostly everytime, minimalist low power SET amps will have more purity. Simpler more direct signal paths is one of many reasons why less is always better.


Lowtubes, 
The guy is a power rating junkie, so he tries everything with crazy specs.

Sorry , you cannot say the Mephisto is Batman and the Colosseum is Robin alone . The Alexia 2 comes into play big time.
I have to correct you, Mephisto + Alexia 2 is Batman. Don’t try to fool us ( we are not all cheerleaders).

Your way of changing gear, many pieces at the same time, always plays against your reviews... making them just a lot less serious. Your conclusions have to be taken with a huge grain of salt when you do so...and we keep telling you...and you keep doing so. Maybe you’re stubborn ( which I do not think), or it just happen you are like the monthly magazine reviewers you despise...PUMPING NEW GEAR WITH TRICKS...And lately snobingly so...
Sorry , you cannot say the Mephisto is more transparent that the Colosseum. The Alexia 2 is messing with your perception. Experienced smart audiophiles know it’s the speakers here that are just more transparent than anything else you had in your room. It’s just so obvious as you did not tried the Alexia 2 with the Colosseum.

AND listening at those levels for years makes your judgment on transparency and resolution to take with an enormous grain of salt. We would be far much better served with someone that has owned a moderate listening level system for years with ear drums in a more probable better shape...
Suddenly the thread is more alive, that’s happening everytime I write about flaws in WC reviewing. See, I’m feeding the thread guys.
A well known audiophile in Montreal ( he died a couple years ago doing his passion which is moto , may he rest in peace). He had a pair of Wilson Alexandria coupled to a pair of Thor subwoofers. Only the best in dac, amps , turntable, etc.
Well on e day he decided to sell the Wilson. He replaced the with the best Bower & Wilkins and never turned back. 
I believe B&W is really just a superior maker than Wilson, as they have done more research and development producing the best in house drivers in the buisness. And Wilson are just plain ugly,  no design , just a stacked boxes look...
Agreed with you viber. These are the 2020 years..., the old audiophile rule of the more expensive the better is just no more a reality. Some audiophiles still live in the past and think the bigger the « motor block » ( horsepower) , the faster and better the car is BUT NOW WE HAVE ELECTRIC CARS.........

This thread is just an old illusion for deep pockets...They subjectively and obsessively dream about the msrp more than they dream about the overall price to technology ratio and the truthful performance you get in the end... 
I really don’t like the midrange Wilson uses. Old tech. paper that breaks up. These will never have the resolving power of better designs.

They do bass and dynamics? Sure . Overblowned bass, maybe so according to a lot of audiophiles. With heavy bass biased amplifiers like the Mephisto, sure. WC’s cup of tea, sure. But TO ME, this is far from being audiophile land. It is seriously starting to tend alike those car db contests...
Don’t forget the dedicated electric circuit with an Oyaide R1 outlet. And the subwoofer.

And the fuses, I upgraded them all.

But that you just can’t understand, as you still believe in your out of date expensive Odin 1 pc going through a 55 cents fuse... Oh yeah thinking about it...it’s just logical as your beaten ears should not perceive all the nuances...it’s not bass...crazy vibrating big overblowned bass.
A pair of Luxman M-900u can take on the Mephisto with most speakers. There is no reason the Mephisto would sound better. So what if one is heavy biased towards more bass, I’m sorry but thats not better sound... It never was, but it’s what the op always tried to make us believe since the beginning of the thread... bigger speakers...bigger amps... more bass... more bass...

Aural memory my dears friends is very poor, one cannot judge mids and highs with this kind of gear shoveling. The only thing old beaten eardrums can remember is low frenquencies pressuring the room... it’s physical...and that’s the only thing WC can truly notice and pass on to this thread... And he pays tens of thousands of dollars for that. What a scam.
HE SAID I have the mic. There is no vote guys , there never was, only wishes.

Except for this one.
I vote to give him back the mic. I rest my case.
After all he is the captain of this boat. As much as I disagree with his choices, in the end he will always have the last word... and that’s ok 👍
CH Precision sounds thin and a bit bright in this video. Someone will me much better served with Dag or ARC....
And you get tone controls with the Dag preamp HD, a must at these levels of transparency  when the recording quality is bad.
The more parts in it and complex an amplifier is , the more chances it will not give you the best sota resolving power and transparency of a well made more simple design (with a shorter signal path ). Add to that the fact that having lots of capacitors or resistors increases the chance one may get defective or out of balance with the other ones...We often see that with R2R ( ladder resistors) dacs these days...

It could be the case here with the Mephisto. Sometimes, engineers just try to do too much and forget about the vertues of simplicity...
I must agree with Viber on this one. It all comes to common sense and logic, the Mephisto is so so...the Merrill is king of the hill...

Another fine example of new technologies beats old technologies. No need to throw a ton of money anymore on amplifiers.

You know what they say. Put some lipstick on a pig all you want, it’s still a pig in the end...
Gryphon doesnt sell Mephisto...that amp doesnt sell well , that amp is must probably flawed to begin with as we can see with WC latest experience fighting the beast.

Tweak the damned system all you want, it will not change the fact that amp is a bad buy. It should not be like that at those prices...
It ´s the ultra expensive retoric or gammic....If it does not satisfy, they find excuses...

....oh it must be the synergy.....oh it must be the cables....oh it must be because it is much more revealing...oh it must be the preamp...oh it must be the breakin in...

It’s simply a business keeping the illusions and  the never achievable dream alive...


He heard, he did not experience it... Usually he is the first to claim no listening no comment... It seems it just apply when HE see fit...

Hey guys, I have a good one for you. What’s the difference between the Accuphase and the Mephisto ?... 😉🧐

You didn’t do the unthinkable with the Merrill. The Merrill did that by themselves.
Thinking the Mephisto, because it is more expensive, will be tougher to implement is plain WRONG. It’s an excuse for a product that was most probably badly engineered.

Your oxygen climbing analogy is ridiculous at best. Just stop thinking too much and deviating from good common sense.
The guy is going up the food chain, gets a Mephisto and prior to that a Dag HD preamp, and well he realizes it’s just too much for him clarity wise.. ( maybe it’s tilted up in the highs, maybe he didn’t do his basic homework’s before combining the new amp wih the preamps he already owns ...add to that new speakers oh my lets do this all at the same time ). And nope , the guy is not even appreciating what he should be appreciating on this sota combo...

And what the guy does then...he orders a set of rolled off subpar cables to tame the system...My god, is this all he has learned all these years. It’s supposed to be a serious thread about serious gear....but the methods used in it’s quest for nirvana are just a joke right now.
So it’s a match up of Dag HD preamp vs Merril Christine preamp... coupled to the Mephisto.

Interesting !
The Christine is a purist design, no power switch with an external supply to reduce maximum noise. Viber, do you know if it’s a passive preamp or active ? The Dag HD is an all new design by Dan, an active more normal preamp with added tone controls, etc. It is also supposed to be blessed with great resolving and transparency qualities. It is also 3 times the retail price of the Christine !! Lets see if that shows. Please WC, same db level , same everything, no tricks.
The Ayre KX-5 uses a double diamond output stage which is known to add midrange richness. ( it’s kind of a Class A thing with constant voltage on in the output stage...its the reason why those Ayre pieces heat a bit) This is why I am suggesting this one for the Mephisto. And for WC, there is nothing to loose as this one is pocket change compared to the rest of his gear.
The Dag HD preamp will be very hard to beat. It is supposed to be the cream of the crop and at it’s retail price it should be ! Contenders will just give a different presentation but not better...

Merril Christine preamp is very well engineered also, and could be a surprise as we know it shoot far above it’s price point.

Ayre has the KX-5 Twenty that you could try, it’s a bargain compared to the KX-R 20 and has all the trickled down tech. from it. Who knows, maybe it could be the match made in heaven with the Mephisto you are looking for.
When the tourists can travel again, I could come to Florida and we could make that bet happen for sure.
We will test your golden ears WC, once and for all and for real this time. A real blind test. If all those years you were right, you should be able to discern the modest 1/4 th. the msrp Bryston 14 B3 from the Gryphon easily everytime ! 😉😁
The test that would be bliss , but that WC nor any of his audio dealers relations or blind cheerleaders will ever want to endorse is the following.

A blind test of the Gryphon Mephisto against a Bryston 14 B3 ( 11.9K US msrp). Same everything in the system, powercord , db level, Alexia 2, preamp and dac, etc.

I would be thrilled to go through his best audio demo tunes, and see him miss 1/2 of the time which is which. I would bring some aloes scalp calming cream, as he would be scratching his head big time... 😂 I would even be ready to put money on the table...Would you take this bet WC ? I would anytime.

This is why WC life analogies will never apply to amplifiers...Speakers , yes I admit the more you blow the more you usually get. But amps, no way.
By the way , your last video only resulted in telling us the Odin 1 is a resolving but just too lean powercord to go on amplifiers of this caliber. Most audiophiles who have read through whats best forums already knew this long ago...There is just plenty of testimony there of big rig audiophiles that have ditched their Odin 1 pc for Shunyata Sigma series pc .......🧐

Ah ok, it also told us what viber are I are saying since we’ve been here...As good as ARC Reference preamps are, they are not onpar with the best dacs out there that comes with an excellent quality variable output stage ( dCS Rossini ).
Why buy a Dag Momentum HD preamp when you can best it with a Merrill Christine for 1/3 the price...

Jay , I just love your videos more and more, they are seriously starting to prove my points. 😉

That Bryston 14 B3 will blind test kick the butt of that Gryphon Mephisto...


Gryphon cables..😂

...needed on a 55k$ amplifier...to make it sound acceptable... 😂

sorry guys...🥱
I can’t see anything in that Gryphon Essence that justifies the 22k $ compared to the asked 15k $ of a Luxman M-900u.

In fact, it’s easy to see the superior quality of parts inside the M-900u. Incontestably not in the same league. 7k $ less.
Luxman M-900u anytime over Gryphon essence. Better made, better engineering, better casing, 7k$ less.
Come on man. Just compare the casings. The Lux is a  brushed aluminium jewel with meters and not even a screw showing. The Gryphon...ouch it hurts...
If Nordost or Audioquest can’t do it. What makes you think Gryphon cables can do it ?... To each it’s specialty. 
Gryphon cables... lol just can’t shake my head enough about that one...😅🤣
Gryphon cables have that magic recipe inside them. When plugged into ONLY Gryphon components, those ones recognize each other so they tune themselves up together to please WC experienced golden ears...

Please note that only Gryphon cables can accomplish that.
Seriously guys, after all theses years and pages of the biggest amp thread on the net, it all comes down to « Gryphon cables are needed bla bla bla ... ».

Wow.

I hope WC writes about his golden ear Gryphon cables and how much they are the cream of the crop for weeks or months.
After all , it makes this cable thread so much more enjoyable and credible............ No, it doesn’t seem at all like marketing from his dealer and him pumping the Gryphon kit a bit... No, the Gryphon preamp coming in soon doesn’t seem like the final marketing trick a bit...

This kind of thinking is all in our mind guys. WC and his connections are pure honesty at its best example on audiogon...nothing to be gained here. You do not even need to subscribe to his youtube videos, he doesn’t care at all this is not the goal here...
The cheerleaders ( most of them must be related near or less near the high end audio business ) sincerely believe so, even if the more it goes the more the signs are obvious it’s pushing diverse dealer products...


Well, just up this post, he basically admits the goal of this from the beginning...

It’s easy to realise you do this for your dealer close relations. The dealer friend gets to push and sell his high end products with your help. In return, you get to try the gear of your dreams for well below msrp or free if it is borrowed... And your dealer gets to sell directly, or indirectly going through you. This explains why the gear comes in your room and gets out quickly...sometimes with very few time for you to evaluate it reasonably. You say you trade it. No, it gets sale or resale.

Not saying it is bad to do this. We just don’t get why you deny it when it is so obvious.
guyl you are so right 

WC and his fanboy club want to make us believe that because you haven’t wear that bling bling jewel, then you can’t understand it or discuss about it or find something just as performant for less...
Come on WC, lets get back to your topic of the week , Gryphon cables. Please enlighten us as to how they bring the Gryphon Mephisto to higher leagues never experienced before by other audiophiles that do not play at the same level you are at...
Not saying the thread is bad and serves nothing. The thread is actually very fun, it’s about big systems that play loud...concert level, etc.

But WC deals in absolute, like this is rocket science and is caught in its own illusion of the bigger and more expensive the better and more resolving.

This is absolutely not the case in this retail field and hobby. It’s not cars, or rockets... It ´s jewels we are dealing with here. Circuit boards, etc. are not deep science and tech. Bigger and more expensive does not mean better. Simple amps with just 2 transistors will aways bring more transparency and resolution. Less cables and contact points also. Anybody can absolutely build a small system with very high sensitivity speakers and get the same transparency, detail, emotion, dynamics , for reasonable money.