Well sorry pokey77 if I offended you that much.
To all who feel offended by my overly critical posts. Do you think you can relax, drink a beer, and let this thread continue on topic. Or you need me to send some personal apologies by certifiied mail first ?
At least Viber has a break during this time... |
Talking about productivity, can you write or youtube about the Magico M3 ? |
Will you write about those Magico M3, or will you keep crying on me forever. Take a milky cappuccino, it will help you relax.
It’ s your thread , bring it back on course.
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Have it your way. Guess we will have to wait till you come back to your senses.
Don’t do it for me , but for the rest of your humble readers.
Magico M3 ? |
Don’t be so rude RIAA.
Almost everybody in this hobby wants to find gear that performs for less money. It is what makes this hobby so interesting. To build a very expensive sota system is easy. To build one half the price that gets you 99% there...is king.
Even WC does it when he talks about finding Odin 1 powercords on the used market, being a best buy for whats invested. |
May we have the pleasure to read you on the M400s. If you don’t mind stopping the constant off topic brawl... I seem to be able to exercice enough positivism to suggest returning back on course, again.
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If McIntosh was not keeping up with the big boys, it would have died years ago and resale value would not be among the very best if not the best.
I never rule out a product, based on snobinism. I keep an open mind, because I know they are products out there that compete with much pricier ones. Best example is the Benchmark AHB2 amplifier. It mesures like crazy low thd unseen before... better than most of your ARC fanboy overpriced gear. |
I won’t change a bit. I’ll keep being respectful as always, and I’ll keep my critical side to this thread.
The question is , WC , are YOU done ? ( because you really are at an all time high off topic) . Please return on subject and tell us about the M400s. |
You have the right to not agree with my critical side of this thread. May I remind you that I ´ve also written positively numerous times.
A forum thread is for exchanging opinions, may they be positive or negative or just neutral. Maybe a blog where have complete control would better suit you ( ego).
Let’s get back to topic, for once. |
I was not negative. Just thought that was the long awaited shootout.
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Me thought that was finally it... :(
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The Pass XS300 are a muscle car, plain americain. Big block engine, old tech, heavy.
The Dag Momentums are a Porsche. Lates tech, smaller minimalist package. Like Ayre audio. No feedback design.
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....most of you......
Maybe we like to get the presidential speech, maybe it’s part of the fun of buying something expensive MOST OF US can only buy once in a lifetime. |
Did I just heard ( in the video) the Neoliths were rolled off speakers ?....
I don’t remember WC writing about that important flaw when he had them. It is like MAJOR.
Like I said before , we really have to wait the gear is long gone sold to learn the flaws of it. My guess is in a year or so, when the Alexia 1 has been replaced and is long gone and sold, we will know they were kind of loose bass wise... 😉 |
We need some explaining, as to why WC kept hidden a MAJOR flaw of the Neoliths ( rolled off highs). How can we trust any speaker review on this thread , if major flaws like this example are plainly omitted... |
The Pass XS300s are what I call an audio abomination. I have used this name in the past when qualifying the Neoliths. This is how things ends up when makers get into a trip of... bigger, larger, heavier, let’s just put more...
It’s absolutely not inovative technology.
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ricevs, I completely agree. Pass amplifiers are all the same. Even as you go up the line, it’s the same parts, only more of them... more transistors, more caps, more chassis. Make it bigger, larger, and call it better... That is why I have much more respect for designers like Ayre audio, Luxman, Accuphase, DAG, Gryphon, Benchmark, etc. |
Luxman and Accuphase usually don’t skimp on anything.
They are the Rolex of audio imho.
Pass... a boosted Casio ?
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There are numerous internal pictures of Pass amps online. It’s the same parts used through the whole line, only more transistors, bigger capacitors, more chassis, bigger toroid transformers, etc.
Luxman and Accuphase...the circuit board quality is on another level. Everything is in another class. Transformers, capacitors, circuit plating. Just looking at the M900u chassis, solid aluminium without a screw showing...
Anybody can see that with a simple google image search. |
DAG 400s is the clear choice for me over the Pass XS 300s. Price is lower, beauty and quality of the chassis is higher, taking a lot less space and weight...
Luxman M-900u monos over the DAG 400s though. But that remains to be heard to be sure.
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Looking at the internals. This is not Pass XS, DAG M400, nor Lux M900u territory. |
No way those have the build quality of the Pass and DAG. They are a mess inside. Please don’t say so in your video, it’s misleading. |
Those amps would never enter my house, even at a major discount. I repeat, inside them is a mess...even cheap chineese Yaqin has cleaner boards.
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The Taurus just passing in WC ´s room is plainly a waste of time for everybody here being serious on quality of built in this hobby.
Circuit boards and wire in those are subpar compared to what we are being used to. May I respectfully suggest WC to choose wisely and to not try gear just for the sake of it. |
We don’t hate you. We just want readers to see through the ´´ dealer friend pump and dump and profit ´´ scheme. The longer this thread gets, the more we can see the reviews have to be taken with an enormous grain of salt... |
Now that the Alexia 1s, Pass XS300 and DAG Momentum 400 all have been pumped up big time...on this thread and on youtube. ( notice the perfect timing). They will be most probably be sold by his dealer friend.
They were the best heard in his room yet ( like he said), and they are gone.
All of sudden, a new Polish friend (out of nowhere) (a friend of his dealer friend ?) has left a gift on his porch just like Santa. And now we will probably read that those are crazy good and rival the Nordost Odin. Guess who will bring the new line in after the pump and dump ?... |
Readers have the right to know when there is profit involved in review and resale activities. Now it’s your close followers that are affirming this.
It changes everything about trust. Audiogon has the right to know also, as per it’s rules, it should think strongly about switching your account for a commercial one.
An enormous thing to think about for potential buyers.
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@grey9hound
It’s the Pearl Harbor of threads. The fanboys suddenly don’t know what just hit them.
I thought the Magico were in WC’s room. Is it just me ? Maybe the dealer friend just sold the pair before WC had time to play with them... |
@grey9hound
Well said. It’s about time readers understand the reviews involve resale profit of expensive gear. The op has the right to buy what he wants, sure, but the grain of salt from now on that we have to take on those reviews is bigger than was thought before... It is plainly game changing.
Everyone , free advice, just ´´be careful what you buy for´´. Remember WC has the connexions to buy the gear well below msrp, so don’t pay too high a price as there is obviously a lot of room for bargaining...
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We are all part of the experience. That’s the beauty of an Audiogon audio forum. Live , pump the big $ dealer friend gear, dump the big $ dealer friend gear, repeat, face the critics of a fishy review, repeat. |
Then let the pump and dump resume.
Just remember, we are always watching to protect the inexperienced that could be wrongly influenced.
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@rsf507
« I review and move on . »
You have to read between the lines.
´´He reviews , and resales for a profit or his dealer connexion resales. ´´
Does it make it a bad thread, absolutely not. It’s just that no gear really gets frankly reviewed...just like in the magazines...he always conclude the gear is all good, nothing is bad compared to the other and alway a matter of preference, there is always only small differences, we never get to know the flaws of a piece... |
Once the gear is long gone, if we are lucky we may learn the real flaws of a piece.
Best example is the ML Neoliths. They were rolled off in the high frequencies, as WC said on his youtube video. Go back this thread and he NEVERS mention this. A flaw of major importance for a potential buyer with deep pockets.
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+1 maplegrovemusic
The critics could have been avoided if WC was transparent. |
Exact quote , WC.
01-11-2020 12:14am
« Boulder is gone. Needed to finance the magico m3. Will end up getting another boulder later this year.
Why haven't I sold my nordost Odin 1 pcs? I haven't found another cable that can give me this performance for the money. How about the Esoteric k1? Well yes it is going to be listed soon. How about the pass xs 300s? Because it's one hell of an amp and until I can find something that can come in here and beat it, I don't think I'll move them. How about the focals or Wilson's or magico ? Focals are for sale , Wilson alexia might be for sale and im sure the magico m3 will too. Why ? Because I could end up with a Wilson alexx at some point and I need money to buy such expensive speaker. «
Simple question, no throling, just a simple interrogation for everyone to know.
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This thread used to be 100 times more active . Just a few of WC’s buddies defending him is all that is left. They keep telling ignore the trolls. But it seems everytime someone else chimes in...
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@mrdecibel
Sorry but we don’t fall for the ´´ It ´s about the journey’´ anymore.
I’ll tell you what it’s about.
It’s about promoting the Pass Labs XS , Alexia 1s, and Dag M400 and reselling them a soon as a big fish with deep pockets gets interested. How could it be about the journey if the journey with those pieces was so brief... It is not about discovering the gear, taking time with it and letting it flourish. It’s about trying, showing, telling, and if a deal comes...then it’s SELL and the heck with the journey.
Think about it, the room... It’s not a lab, it’s a dealer ´´show room upgrade ´´.
I have a lot of respect for Audiogon commercial users that write on the forum. They don’t hide behind a normal user account. They are being honest upfront. |
We still don’t know what happened with the Magico M series WC said would be imminently in his room. No one interested to know ? ... |
That still does not answer what happened to the Magico M that were coming in. We are only asking for transparency here. Some fishy things been discovered more and more often around here , so the thread is not only saying ´´ honest journey for the addict’´ anymore...
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@viber6
I doubt he will get a fine external microphone, as there is no profit to be made in doing so.
If he did, I agree we could ear differences.
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A simple explaination by WC as to where the « financed Magico M3 « ( exact quote from him) have been would rest my case. |
It would have been great to make this shootout using the financed Magico M3 that vanished without ever getting an explaination. |
https://youtu.be/K1M_hoP_qSAHere is an example of a video which is recorded with what looks like a quality microphone. Recording with your phone for audiophile purposes, with ultra high end gear, is far from being professional. |
Your opinion is flawed , everybody here knows that you have to put the best powercords down stream to get the best of what the interconnects can give the system. Viber , me, and others keep telling you to keep things the same as much as possible when doing your tests.
Get a better microphone. The humble lady in my previous post video has one and she only uses it for the recording of simple social videos. And there is you, WC, an ultra high end audiophile with thousands of dollars of equipement...using a phone to make us decide between interconnects as youtube followers.
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4425 is right.
Odin 1 pc is 7 x 15 awg conductors.
Valhalla 2 pc is 7 x 16 awg conductors.
I doubt anybody here can ear the difference in a blind shootout between the two. |
Not what I read on whatsbestforums. Valhalla 2 over Odin1. Odin 2 over Valhalla 2.
Anyway, Shunyata Sigma NR is a much better value imho and yes it competes with them all. |
And the fellow audiophiles would make much better educated decisions if you were to use a real microphone instead of a phone to record your videos. One of quality on par with the rest of your expensive gear. |
The long awaited financed Magico M3 ? |
Gryphon Antileon.
Liquid sounding, like Luxxman M-900u on steroids, sweetness in the midrange, bass to die for but not as much as the XS300s. A hint of brightness that goes away with Cardas Clear Beyond PCs. |
Can’t help it but that Gryphon amp looks a bit too much like an air filter. |
