My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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The response couldn't be more different. The feedback is all over the place. This will be very interesting
I ordered a new dac from lampizator. It will be here in 3 weeks and it will have the new Kr242 Richard kron tubes. It will also be fully balanced.

Im currently using the momentum integrated with Nordost Odin speaker cables and powercord. My dacs are the oppo 205 and the simaudio 650d. Im going to leave the block audios off to the side for the next 2 weeks along with the ref10. I want to give my ears time to get more acquainted with the momentum. Once the lampizator arrives then I’ll bring back the block audios and ref10.
I’ve playing with Odin 1 powercords and Shunyata alpha NR.
My feeling is that Shunyata adds more bottom end and the Odin more detail and holographic presentation. I would say that I prefer the alpha nr pcs in the Monos rather than Odin 1. The Odin 1 seem to do amazing things with sources and preamps  but adding the shunyata to the amplifiers seems to add the fullness which rounds out the presentation. it adds more “meat” which makes everything more enjoyable.


Alright guys,
im going to be receiving my first solid state preamp next week. It will be my first attempt with solid state preamplificstion with the block audios. The preamp is the pass labs xp30 which I owned briefly with a pair of xa200.5 Monos. I look forward to hearing what will be gained or lost once I introduce this preamp in the mix. Will it be a better match/fit in my current set up than the ref10?
What do you all think?
Yep...that's pretty much my point. 
I can't become a DJ over youtube unfortunately. Sometimes I want to play different songs but then I get people who go off because I am playing music that I didn't play with previous speakers. 
I've had requests that I attempted to play and youtube shut them down due to copyright...that's another thing you all need to remember. 
I would love to play music that everyone is happy with but is that really possible? ...

Gryphon has committed to sending me an Apex. I spoke to Rune Skov from Gryphon and others behind the Gryphon brand and it is going to happen folks. The APEX WILL COME TO JAY’S AUDIO LAB. The timing is what isn’t clear due to the fact that they are working on all the orders first but i suspect i should have my hands on the Apex before the end of the year.

Rune was awesome and so was Anthony Chiarellan (Director of Sales & Marketing).

The APEX IS MASSIVE and it means business. I hope to be able to give you all my thoughts and how it compares to its siblings. 

Lots of cool stuff coming your way!

Unfortunately preamps aren't really something I plan to heavily review. If I end up buying one here and there then sure I'd do a comparison but I'm not trying to search for preamps in tbe same fashion as I do with amps. 
As far as the Merill, they will be back and yes I still own them. I am waiting on the matching Christine preamp to arrive as well. 
update:
i will be receiving a pair of speakers this Saturday morning. Surprise surprise... they retail for $10k fyi so don't think ultra expensive. 
what does everyone else think? Group 1 or Group 2? 
Curious to know everyone's input..
i have no plans of replacing the neos anytime soon unless a shocking event occurs that i simply feel is a good move. Nothing is impossible here but one of my friends said that i now have been with the neoliths for a few months and this will be a testament to my ears how inferior things will sound once i take them out of the equation. He actually urged me to try these other speakers so i can validate his point of view.
In short, i have been told the following by 2 different groups of people:
Group 1 says:
Get rid of the Neoliths because they are not shinning in my room due to the size of my room. Get a smaller speaker that will potentially sound better than the neoliths in this room

Group 2 says:
No way in hell that a smaller speaker will come into your room and best the Neoliths. Yes, the room is on the small side for a speaker of their size, but even in your room, no way in hell the neoliths will get killed by a cheaper and smaller speaker. Laws of physics won’t allow that to happen. Even if the Neoliths are only showing you 75% of what they can do due to the size of the room, that 75% will STILL SMOKE a bunch of speakers.
i agree bigddesign3. I am not trying to sell anything before i try something else. The Neoliths aren’t exactly easy to find on the used market so it is not like i can sell mine and get another pair at a deal the next day.
My intuition says i will find the other flavor of speakers "interesting and appealing" but the sheer size of the sound, bottom end fullness, etc etc will be hard to compensate. Yes, i was urged to dare to try to beat the Neoliths in my room so that a huge shock happens when i see how anemic/thin/small other speakers will sound comparison..

Nope. Once these speakers are in my possession tomorrow, I’ll disclose what they are....
hint: beryllium 
Ok guys,
im headed home with paradigm personas 3f. Local purchase so it was easy and although I wanted the bigger ones, this one will give me the house sound of this line AND I’ll be able to have my first experience with a beryllium midrange driver. I’m excited to form my own opinion on this line even though I was advised against it.
Feedback has been that these make your ears bleed because the tweeter is bright etc. That said, I was also told the same about magico. Another thing is I still own the ref10 which should work extremely well with this speaker. 
You all wanted feedback on this speaker ? Well stay tuned... remember, I owned magico and focal so I will know exactly how this paradigm persona line compares to them.... 
Tonight I’ll try to make some space for them. The Neoliths are huge and heavy. Let’s see what I can do with these personas over the next few weeks. 
Listening session happening right now. Just fired things up. Stay tuned as I will put my thoughts down. First impression:

-Speakers disappear. You can’t locate them.
- outstanding midrange. I’d say it bests the mágicos mids. 
- Neolith have a wall of sound. Far more like 3d surround.
- smaller presentation when compared to the Neolith. Think of it as you watching a movie in your home theater and then you go watch the same movie at an iMax theater.
- sound does not go over my head which creates a feeling of not much depth
- Neolith is IMPRESSIVE after taking it out.

so far, group #2 seems to be winning... impossible to produce the massive amount of air from those panels with a smaller speakers.

We shall see... the reason why I bought them today was because I want to hear this midrange driver. I am not saying I’m going to sell the neos but I want to taste this beryllium version. Having heard other brands, im excited to hear these for sure 
3 hours into the listening session and toeing them out slightly helped with the high frequencies. Again, what a revelation... the mids are OUTSTANDING and I rate them a 10/10. 
I suspect the big brands are going to begin trying beryllium in their mid range drivers... 
Word on the street is that Harman plans to release their next salon 3s with beryllium midrange drivers. This is why they’ve taken so long to release them. 
Anyhow, the persona has THE BEST MIDs of any woofer/cone speaker I’ve owned. I can understand the lyrics better than ever. 
My issue with shows is that they have their playlist and that’s it. Each room will only play what they know sounds good and won’t allow anyone to play their own music. I can’t gauge any speaker or equipment with music I have no knowledge of. 
I want for everyone to remember this:
if you have already formed your opinion about the persona based on what dealers or magazines have said to you rather than your own experience with your own gear then great. You shouldn’t need to follow my experimentation with them. 
However, if what you want is feedback from someone who has had a great deal of hands of experience with some of the best stuff out there and who doesn’t get paid any SPIFF for selling a product or who doesn’t need it to make a living, then follow my journey over the next few days or weeks. Granted, please in mind that It is not fair for me to compare an 80k speaker to a 10k speaker so I will try my best to judge the speaker against itself. 

I’m not judging the line right now. Yes, I will cycle through all my stuff with these speakers. This means:
block audio
shunyata cables
lampizator pacific
musical fidelity titan
audio Research ref10

i need to live with these speakers for a little in order to form a solid opinion. Again, one thing you all can be sure of: the best mids I’ve had from any woofer/tweeter speaker. This means its mids are better than my previous speakers:


revel salon 2
magico s5mk2
vivid audio g1
wilson Sasha 2
sonus faber cremonese
b&w 803d3
b&w 800n
dynaudio c4 platinum
Dynaudio C1 platinum
monitor audio pl300
monitor audio pl500
golden ear Triton 1
sonus faber Amati futura
sonus faber olympica 3
focal sopra 3
Dynaudio evidence temptation


Guys,
im in talks as we speak to bring the persona 7f to my home. The 9h should be interesting but I want my block audio amps to do the woofer mangling. The 3f is great but each time I sit down, I feel like the upper half of the living room has no music. It is expected given its footprint. I don’t know which way I will go or if I’ll just keep playing with the 3f for a few more weeks. This was supposed to be a fun purchase for me to hear these speakers. It wasn’t supposed to be for me to swap out my Neoliths which are superior of course.
Bringing the 7f persona would be more about me bringing a speaker that should present a larger soundstage and more bottom end. I want to see what it does and how it interacts in my room.
Dont forget that my block audios and ref10 are on the sidelines. I have not even tried those with the speakers but I certainly will do that at some point. I need to also play with the rake Angle of these speakers to see if I can lift up the presentation some. I want it to be a bit taller than what it is. Yes, the neoltihs damaged me when it comes to monstrous sound and 3d sound. I accepted it today that I probably won’t get that back again but I want to see WHAT I can get from other offerings and if these new attributes can satisfy me as much as the neoltihs do.
Also, don’t get it twisted. I am not swapping the neoltihs for the 3f. This is an experiment that may lead to interesting findings. I had contemplated focal Scala Evo, paradigm persona, Wilson audio Sasha Daw and it so happens I found a local deal on the 3f persona. I’m now attempting to hunt and lock in a deal on the 7f because I want to hear what this bigger persona speaker will do. 
Nordost Odin 1 on the 650d dac, Odin 1 speaker cable, Shunyata alpha nr pc on the momentum. Wireworld platinum 8 xlr. 
I have been to Mikes store and bought a few items from him. he didn’t really like the Neolith or wasn’t fond of it which I understand since sound is subjective. That said, the Neolith totally kill the Magico s5 mk2. It’s is the best speaker I’ve owned and it should be given its price.
Same thing goes for those who talked bad about the Neoliths based on what they heard at shows. I am willing to let anyone live with my set up for a week and then go back to hearing their set ups. You will immediately detect the sound being substantially smaller and you won’t have the bubble of sound that they present.
Maybe doing this experiment with multiple speakers allows me to validate how impressive the neoltihs are. For now, I don’t even know WHAT speaker could even keep me entertained. The neoltihs are not exactly an easy act to follow...
here are speakers that I think could hit the sweet pot and do enough for me to perhaps consider moving in a different direction:
-focal stella utopia (v3)
-Wilson Sasha daw
-Wilson Alexia v2

cant think of anything else right now. 
I actually did not try the preamp because I was contemplating to do the balanced upgrade on the lampizator so I can give it a shot as a REAL preamp. I STILL want to try the ayre  preamp and as a matter of fact I spoke to a dealer about it yesterday. I also haven’t tried it because to be totally sincere, I got a ton of cash strapped here and I need to sell off one of my pieces first.

I am not going to pay north of $40k for a pair of Alexia 2s. That would be a dumb mistake financially speaking. You might as well kiss $15k dollars goodbye. 
I’ve just booked my trip to Axpona. I also heard block audio will have their first U.S. appearance there. You all want to finally see it and hear it? This will be a great opportunity to do so. If you can, head out there and see these monsters in person. I just hope they don’t have some cheap speakers connected  to them...
So I’m sitting and listening to music again right now. I MUST BE HONEST with myself and admit that the huge soundstage and enormous presentation of the Neolith has poisoned me. I really don’t think I’ll be able to capture it rather easy from any speaker. 
I was warned by the dealer I bought my Neoliths from; “ I dare you to take them out and put something else in. You’ll immediately realize how good the Neoliths are”
well guys, I think this is really the case thus far. I sit here and listen and listen and it feels as if someone turned off half the room. Yes there’s detail, yes there’s great highs and good bass but the presentation’s width, depth, air, 3D, etc is not even close. It’s such a crazy effect that my ears are kinda just waiting to see if the personas come out of nowhere and present at least some of those qualities. 
I was considering the persona 7f because my reasoning was/is that I should be able to get a larger sound with the bigger model but I’m being told all I will get is more bass and that’s about it because the persona line uses the same tweeter and midrange driver throughout so the sound won’t exactly spread more with the larger models. 
Im pretty confused at this time about moving to the 7f. That said, One thing I’m not confused about is how lethargic, thin, inferior the Neolith makes other speakers sound. 
I will go as far as saying that after I bought the Neoliths, I’ve not heard a single speaker in any showroom that I rather own. NOT ONE. The only spesker I thought was rather interesting was an old Wilson audio Alexandria x2 I heard. That sounded pretty big and dynamic. That’s about the only other speaker I’ve heard that certainly caught my attention. 
I've heard and owned the .8 pass labs and all their xs amps. Let's see how the 60.8 do. 
Viber,
the Neolith still have the bigger mids that hang in the air. The 10/10 was when comparing it to the list of speakers I gave above. 
I plan on hearing lots of speakers next month but I suspect the “wall” of sound will exit the room the moment the Neoliths Exit my room. 
Good point Dave. It’s hard as hell to go from a speaker with such huge soundstage to a speaker that doesn’t. It’s like you always being used to driving an Escalade and then you are driving a Toyota rav 4...
Audiotroy,
i will be at Axpona and hope to hear the 9h or 7f. My biggest issue is that most dealers don’t carry the persona line let alone the Martin Logan Neolith. 
Today I went back to the Neoliths and the sheer size of the soundstage was quite welcomed. As far as the “relaxed” presentation, I think it has to do with doing the right system match just like the personas cant be with bright electronics. 
The 3f sounds very very small but keep in mind I am comparing them to a huge speaker. For most folks, the 3f would be incredible. 
If the 9h sounded half as big as the Neolith, I’d be willing to buy them but right now it is pure speculation on my end. 
I tried my block audios and ref10 with the personas today and I don’t know... still having mixed feelings. 
I put  the Neoliths back in place and the personas in the corner of the room. 
When i raved about the Ansuz, i used the momentum hd preamp which is not what i did during the last shootout. The momentum HD allows for more to be heard from each cable swap. Also, i don't believe the Ansuz is fully broken in as the Vahalla 2 is. Out of the 3 cables, the Ansuz has the least amount of hours. 

Because I wanted you all to hear the Rossini as a preamp. It is the first time I let you all hear it as a preamp. Also, it's not like I won't play it with the Preamp...one step at a time...I'm not going anywhere :) 
Lampizator will hopefully be here in 10 days or so. Right now, the Neoliths are staying until I find a speaker “convincing” enough to give me some of what I like about of the neoltihs and also bring new qualities to my music. I don’t think that’s an easy thing and this is why it’s scary to go to speakers of this caliber. You are often times cursed for not being able to find a decent replacement unless you spend close to the same money. At this level, it’s tough... very tough. 
Audiotroy,
i want to ask you, WHY would any manufacturer who is trying to sell a 34k speaker use subpar sources and electronics especially when their product is being criticized all over?
also, why is Wilson audio THE ONLY manufacturer that cares what they display their speakers with?
Imagine you trying to sell 120k speakers as a “dealer” but you don’t exactly have a store but rather a garage... who do you think would buy them?
This is what’s stupid about this industry.
Why don’t they display Louis Vuitton purses with croc shoes next to it at saks fifth avenue?
Perception is key in many aspects especially when you’re talking big money. You can’t attract the right crowd if you have zero idea how to display product.
I wish audio manufacturers had REAL marketing departments... oh wait, no that’s a bad idea because then the 2k parasound amps will cost 5,000 to cover marketing costs.
An educated buyer (in this case an audiophile) knows what the mark up is on most products. That’s no longer a big secret. The internet is here and everyone talks so those days where people had to pay retail for stuff are gone unless you are making so much money that you don’t have time to shop around.
Any dealer who comes to audiogon knows 99% of the people here want a deal. Nobody on this site is here to pay retail on anything. After all, isn’t that what audiogon is all about? To present the best possible deals on “high end” audio products. 
Very different mids. The Neoliths have a larger midrange and the 3f have a smaller one but more focused since it’s a smaller speaker. It’s more focused but smaller and well the soundstage is nothing to compare.
As far as the highs, I feel as if Neoliths have more “accurate” highs. The beryllium tweeter is detailed but at times can get a little out of balance.
If you play music with pronounced highs, the Neolith will be better because it won’t be forward sounding but with the 3f you might get brightness if you crank things up.
For movies, the persona is excellent though. If I were doing strictly home theater, I’d do a persona set up hands down.
I really DO NOT like electrostatics for movies.
So it really all depends on the material you are playing. I would agree that the large panels might be a little bit on the warm side of the spectrum but that is solved by using class a amps or tubes. 
As far as transparency, I’ve never had a speaker as transparent as the Neolith. Its large size makes it VERY VERY EASY to detect what changes when you change components. With other speakers, it becomes somewhat more difficult at times. 
Who knows, maybe I never end up moving to other speakers because I can’t get anything that sounds as impressive. 


Im brainstorming right now... I might look into rolling tubes in my ref10. What tubes have you all used and what was the outcome? Let me hear it !
I received feedback from a few people about yg speakers and the feeling is the same about them: they just don’t engage you with their sound. Same thing many people have said to me. I have my own opinion about them but it was a very brief listening session. I need more “seat time” with them.
Last night I listened to more music through through the Logans and I don’t have the desire to put the personas back. It’s a great speaker in terms of technology and design but that means nothing if they can’t perform in the field.
Think of it like this: What good is the space shuttle with all the technology and research it has if it can’t take you to the moon? It’s a failure 
Texknik,
if you read my opening statement, you’d see what I was trying to do. I wasn’t trying to replace the Neoliths. It was all about my curiosity with the beryllium midrange driver. 
I will be at axpona listening to different tier groups of speakers to see if anything strikes my interest. 
Stopping me?
im trying to recuperate my money and throwing someone under the bus here wouldn’t exactly help me recuperate my money. I prefer to try to fix things the easy way without drama, but patience is something that runs out. You can only try to work things out for so long until you’ve had enough and then you’re forced to put the hammer down. 

Some of the feedback I've been receiving via text, email, and YouTube Is that the last video posted Is the best they've ever heard that song sound...