I agree that preamps and dacs don’t need to be very expensive anymore to give near or sota results. The Christine pre and Benchmark pre are probably good examples. My own experience showed this in me acquiring a 4.5 k $ CAD demo Mac pre with included dac module that bested a 6 k$ USD dac and separate preamp.
Amps and specially speakers, thats another story.
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I still don’t agree that someone needs to pay the big $ to get sota preamp or dac performance. Most of audiophiles preaching that route would fail the blind test and have their jaw dropped.
Sure, WC ´s journey through prestigious preamps is very interesting and I would absolutely not want him to go otherwise. It’s very cool to read about the top stuff outhere. But a thread is also for discussing options, all options. That is the beauty of this hobby. |
My money is on the Esoteric K1. |
Keep dreaming rbach.
Just filter Viber6 posts and be done with it. But they keep reading and returning, it seems like an addiction... a love hate story... lol |
Esoteric is king of digital. All the others with their R2R or Ring dac technology are living in the past...they were ruling 15 years ago , not anymore. These days, multibit mesures better and performs better. Esoteric has learned how to get the best out of it. |
Suddenly, what ?!! So all that preamp is king praise was just bs...
Oh dear. It seems your friends are more influential....than the soundstage inflation preamp song we normally read. Are you sure you have enough huge bass slam going direct ?...
Maybe your ears and preferences are shifting.....
to......
Viber’s land....
Oh dear, this is huge.
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Do not change the M-900u. It’s a giant killer amp.
If you still don’t like your system, look elsewhere. Preamplifier first to change the taste of the sound ( PRAT and timing, tube euphonics). A little spice may be all you need to add.
Speakers also are maybe the culprit. |
Clocks and upsamplers were not invented by DCS. ( Their custom ring dac is unique I agree)
So Riaa is right, WC should save himself money.
Or else he is maybe in agreement with the dealer to ’’test and promote’’ a full DCS stack... |
Panic mode, let’s change topic. DCS multi box stack is being laughed at. |
Sure there must be a Mutec distributor reading this who can send you the dawn clock.
So that you can once open your mind to the same objectivity your readers have for your thread... |
You would not, you do like my posts, in your own way. I have been right many times...
I believe Maple has a valid point. Though I don’t think WC is a dealer, I believe a close friend of him is a dealer and they help each other. Maybe they split profits ? Who knows ? Sure when you move that number of gear, it should only be a matter of time before you make a close friend out there.
WC should not be mad about this. It’s just the life of having a big thread like this one. Chill out, it’ s just audio guys... |
zprr,
Very interested to read you about the differences between Moon 740p, 850p and how they compare to the legendary ARC Ref10. |
I have a feeling there will be a DCS full stack for sale at Hifi palace soon.
Ok seriously, back to topic. |
That kind of up sampling must me doable in a computer software or powerful sota server. |
Merry Christmas to all. Thanks to all for the wishes. |
That preamp yt review is a simple mess. After the video, we are left more confused than before watching it...
No doubt you need to bring back all preamps to try with your new VIP Gryphon cables. It will bring magic kingdom to preamps results. |
Many whatsbestforum audiophiles own the Sigma NR after having compared it to the Odin. So my guess is yes it’s up there with the best. |
The Shunyata Sigma NR is supposed to compete with it for much less $.
Just saying. |
Shunyata has a new one : the Omega QR. To rule over all pcs.
Much less money than Odin 2.
My two cents, Shunyata for powercords, Nordost for speaker cables. |
Isn’t it akward that your vast dealer contacts and gear availability never have given you the opportunity to compare the Sigma NR to the Odin PCs.
Only one reason, they don’t want you to. Sigma NR doesnt need to be pushed to sell, as it’s price point is much lower. It ´s not a big buck maker for them. |
I would recommend Sasha DAW instead. Alexia need the space, need the amps, and need the extra money. It is a heck of a complicated speaker to implement... |
You see. Many prefer the DAW to the Alexia. There is a reason for that.
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Some dealers here seems to not like the fact that the DAW are the mostly prefered speaker. They always go crying when people find things are not what they should be price wise....
Your 802d3 are lacking bass ( your words) , not the DAW. |
None of them have owned the Alexia. But a lot of them have listen to both side by side. And you WC, have you listened to the DAW and Alexia side by side ? No. I rest my case.
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DAW + a nice Rel subwoofer would be my personal choice.
Mayor, Viber and me have nothing to be teached from someone who bought speakers that lacks bass. It just prooves how good you are when it’s time to buy main speakers...and we are not even discussing the amp match that you made...
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WC, you are right.
But mayor started the hostility on me without any provocation from my part. I was only recommending the Wilson Sasha DAW. I do wish him only the best in 2020, like choosing the right speakers ( this time). |
Very interesting WC. When up with the big boys, ARC tends to render arms everytime. Your experience has shown this with amps and preamps.
Same thing with the 802D3, maybe Mayor ( our most impressive thread speaker expert after WC), can develop on that matter... |
We all know this. The DAW is the superior more recent speaker, the Alexia 1 has poor bass control. WC wants us to believe everybody that has heard that uncontrolled bass did not have them set up with proper amps. I know this is mostly wrong, a well made speaker design these days does not need that huge amount of power to work reasonably. Not nearly the case. And Wilson did make the Alexia 2 for a reason , didnt’ they ...
And now the measurements show this also. The one who argues it lives in denial, plain and simple. |
But still, the Alexia 1 must be a very great speaker for WC to live with them in his new room. With all his experience, if he swears by them, sure they must sound incredible.
Don’t want to ruin the party with my last post. I have a lot of respect for WC ´s experience. |
Ohh the M3 Magico.
Looking forward to learn about how they compare to the Alexia 1 and the Scala Evos.
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Some can be stubborn when the truth is in the front of they eyes. But just won’t admit it.
Wilson changed the Alexia 1 profoundly for the Alexia 2 for a reason. If the 1s were so good and perfect, why change them ? An amplifier can only do so much if the speaker design has a flaw.
The Alexia 1 have a bass / crossover flaw that was recognized by both the audiophile community and Wilson itself by having changed that specific point in the 2s. WC is only minimizing that flaw with better amps... You know what they say, put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig... |
Yes, they move forward. But in the case of the Alexia 1 , each day that passes a different user comes here testifying about it’s flaws... Not me. There is smoke everyday about them here, yet you keep saying there is no fire...that the fire comes from others or reviewers amps...that only your amplifiers are the ones that are fire free...
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Sure it’s great that all this sota gear is being reviewed.
But if the gear ends up at a dealer close to WC, we have no choice but to take the review with a grain of salt. It would explain why he never exposes directly the flaws of a piece no more. The more dealers or makers with sale interests around you, the more reserved you become in your critics. You do not want to offend your close relationships...
This is still a great thread. With great opinions. We sure have to give WC credit, and some slack. |
This is why I do not use a laptop as a digital transport. I use a tower pc , and a IFi iusb power to not transmit any noise from the computer to the dac inlet. I also use the Fidelizer software that shuts down everything that is not audio needed to transmit the audio files.
If one uses a pc also, never use the accessories side usb outlets. Always use the main ones that are conected to the mother board.
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+1 tecknik We want to ear some tunes playing.
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The Boulder pre is gone. The best pre he owned. This thread is not about owning the best gear anymore, it has become about moving the gear now...
Sure has the voice of a salesman ? on yt. |
theophile , we are all contributing mostly nothing to this thread. Think about it, it’s about WC’s journey. All we can do is give opinions and advice. You don’t like mine, just block me and be happy again. |
Ok sorry , I was a bit rude I admit. This thread is still very good. I guess we will have to keep enjoying the revealing of differences between the gear, instead of knowing which one is good or bad. It’s a bit sad, because that way we try to read between the lines, and that often brings confusion into the discussion . Anyway, that’s the way it’s going to be, will have to live with it. |
Was first to watch the 2nd video. Much better than the first by the way.
Very interesting to know the Focal Scala Evos are amp friendly and never need the Pass XS 300 to get out of their class A range. Compared to the Dyn and Wilson. |
Any plan on trying MSB to trial against the dCs and Esoteric ?
You could also bring back the Chord Dave, to ear how it compares in your new room and rig.
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Still no news about the Magico M3 ?
Let me guess, they lack bass compared to the Alexia 1... ( this will happen to any speaker that doesn’t have overblown bass like this older discontinued Wilson model). The Magico beryllium tweeter should be better resolute than the soft dome of the Alexia 1. It’s always the case with cymbals decay. The tradoff is normally the beryllium which can be hot at high volumes reproding some instruments. This is why Magico puts a very thin layer of diamond on their beryllium dome. B&W have the best dome imho, all diamond.
Now Viber can write about HF clarity. 😉 |
Yes he is kind of show offy and his love for the big expensive prestigious is getting through unfiltered on yt. But it’s all fine. He ´s human , we all are, our passion transpires raw sometimes. As long as we don’t take this too seriously, knowing the gear is moving and gets resale and the ´´ reviews ´´ ( entertainment ? maybe not that far) are filtered not to offend... We do get to learn about the ultra high end. WC do have some kind of an open mind, for example he listened to the advice with some music playing in the second video...
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You could do video surprises by trying some cheaper dacs that you can compare with your sota Esoteric and dCs. There are many online 30 day trial dacs , so you won’t lose anything as you can return them easy. |
Ask yourselves this.
Why does WC does not hang on whatsbestforum with audiophiles like him who possesses sota gear like he does, from whom he could learn and discuss. With experienced guys who also own ultra high end gear...
Because WC doesn’t like advice ? Because he can’t sell something there? Because they are pretty much rational up there and do not not fall into the ´´ the more expensive it is , the better it is’´ camp ? Who knows ?
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I’ m a narcissist audiophile too. I think they go well together.
LOL
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How about constant constructive criticism ? 😉 |
Any manufacturer would be bless by the fact you review and compare their much less expensive dac to big guns like the Esoteric Grandioso and dCs Vivaldi. They won’t loose anything. It would only up their sales. What are you afraid of...Would it offend your close relations in the high end business...
My father always said the truth hurts. WC, don’t be hurt by my critics, it’s just audio after all. Drop the ´´ultra high end ego ´´ just a bit. I’ m not the only one saying this. Remember, without us , this thread would be a 1 post 1 user discussion... |
OP harassment !! Come one guys, let’s get back to audio. Nobody interested to know how those Magico M3 compare to the Wilson ? |
Not everybody, only some who like to be off topic and pollute the thread... Ego still hurt because we have seen through the ´´ never offending friend’s reviews’´. Or maybe because some of us don’t agree with you the Alexia 1 being a great buy ?... Just relax, it’s audio , it’s a thread, some of us will challenge you sometimes.
The Magico M3, are they great ? You are a lucky person, we keep following you. I have even subscribed to your yt channel as you suggested. |