Viber6
You are blowing hot air now .
Better specs does not always mean more accurate or better sound .
Stop while you are ahead .The hole is getting deeper.
A tube with better specs does not mean that it is a more accurate sound either.There are way too many other variables ...circuit design.etc |
Viber6
You just don’t get it .
I have tubes from Vintage Tube services.....just as good or better than Modjeski’s
Enough of your ramblings. please stop. |
Viber6
Just for the Record "Laid back sound" is not less detailed .It is less Forward or less "In Your Face" It is less "shouting at you".The detail is still all there , just not in your face or "forward ". A laid back sounding system can be turned up loud and sound like LIVE music without Ear Fatigue.
Please stop the ramblings. You are ruining the thread ....for sure. |
@whitecamaross
I bet you are missing the Tubes already |
Well thats good news then.
Personally, I would still not want to be caught with cables and take a hard hit if they never reopen. But thats just me. If the cables in question are actually highly regarded and or sought after, and the company goes out of business, they might actually go up in value. |
@viber6
I get the impression that if you do not hear ear piercing shrill highs, then you consider the system to be lacking in some way ?
I disagree, as i believe most others here do .
Regarding your long winded posts about objective/subjective and the Merrill ., I don’t think you should be upset because the majority here think that it is wrong to do in this thread.,..then you spout of as if you and Guido have the right to have a "sophisticated " discussion on WCs amp thread.
It might be a little different and overlooked if you didn’t write a Chapter every time you post . Just my opinion, of course. |
@viber6
I understand where you are coming from. I have a felling that our musical tastes are probably quite different. I like a lot of Contemporary Blues Artist .. like Keb Mo, Buddy Guy, Derek Trucks, Tab Benoit, Robert Cray, Robben Ford...etc
But, I also like Some Funk .. .like the Brand New Heavies,The New Mastersounds , Nightmares on Wax,Soopasoul, Galactic, Quantic,Soulive, Cookin On 3 Burners
And some techno ,electronica stuff..like the Mushroom Jazz albums(dj Mark Farina) Kruder &Dorfmeister, Verve Remixes
But I also like stuff like Bela Fleck, Johnny A, Larry Carlton , Boz Scaggs..etc Acoustic Alchemy ,Van Morrison
But i really am not one to listen to any classical or pure singing kind of music.I guess I have always preferred electrified music.
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It could take a little more than that |
Purist Audio Dominus Power cord is Awsome |
@techno_dude
Have you heard them ?
Purist Audio Design cables are also Very Expensive. I have owned many.
They are outstanding !!
Are they worth the price ? Only after hearing them can you decide that.
If you do not believe in cables, you owe it to yourself to try B4 you criticize. You will hear a difference. If you don’t your system is most likely lacking.
That is one thing that the Tekton Double Impact speakers with Purist Audio cables does very well . I can hear a difference when i change just the rectifier tube in the MC30s. or power tubes and even the pre-amp tubes.
Don’t bad mouth something until you have heard it !!
If your system is up to it , You will hear a difference in cables. The Biggest problem is that a lot of people do not have a system capable of hearing these differences, so when they try the cables , they cry foul , snake oil .. etc.
This is exactly why many do Not believe.
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@techno_dude Cables in order of which has more effect on a rig:
1_ Power cables.
2_ Interconnects.
3_ Speaker cables .
That is not always true. I hate to say this ,BUT That is very subjective. |
I think Speaker cables too ! |
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I don’t think that having a patent on something makes it sound better. So many people get hung up on measurements.The smart people let their ears decide ...not measurements. So much in Audio can be heard but not measured..Most people do not buy based on measurements. They buy because of what they hear.That is my point. Can you measure what cryoing does . I seriously doubt it.
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@axememan
I think most all of the older Keb Mo is much better Like:
June 7, 1994 Keb' Mo'Debut album as "Keb' Mo'" Won W.C. Handy Award for Best Country/Acoustic Blues Album of the Year, 1995 June 18, 1996 Just Like YouWon Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album, 1997August 25, 1998 Slow DownWon Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album, 1999October 10, 2000 The DoorNominated Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues AlbumSeptember 19, 2003 Martin Scorsese Presents the Blues: Keb' Mo'Part of the series, The Blues
February 10, 2004 Keep It SimpleWon Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album, 2005
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oops Fixed Typo and spacing I think most all of the older Keb Mo is much better Like: June 7, 1994 Keb’ Mo’Debut album as "Keb’ Mo’" Won W.C. Handy Award for Best Country/Acoustic Blues Album of the Year, 1995 June 18, 1996 Just Like You Won Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album,1997 August 25, 1998 Slow Down Won Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album,1999 October 10, 2000 The Door Nominated Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues AlbumSeptember 19, 2003 Martin Scorsese Presents the Blues: Keb’ Mo’Part of the series, The Blues
February 10, 2004 Keep It Simple Won Grammy Award for Best Contemporary Blues Album, 2005 |
@bill_k
Come on man. Are you kidding ?
This is WC ’s thread ???
DUH ! I had no idea !
Is it inappropriate to suggest trying something different in his thread ?
Viber6 and others have went off on wild tangents and you respond to me ???
Your response is completely silly . Many others have suggested many lower cost amps and speakers . Do you jump on them and suggest they get their own thread ?
I do not feel that WC is offended by me asking ? Do you ?
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@whitecamaross
I feel that it is time to change speakers to the something like the ones I recommended....Tekton Encore.....Something the average person can afford
Then you can try some amps that the regular guy can afford. Those are very efficient and you could try a lot of different affordable TUBE amps.
Personally I see no benefit for 90% of us who can’t and never will afford 60K amps . What is the point ? |
I guess i am just asking , in what direction do you go after 60k amps ?
My suggestion was a direction to go. The Magico are what like 87db efficient ?
I know that WC liked the sound of the tubes, but with those speakers , you are not going to find too many tube amps that will work well with that or at the SPL that WC likes
So yes bill_k , i was suggesting a different direction .
BUT it was just a suggestion, That’s all .
Besides ,There hasn't been much amp review action, so I was thinking WC is running out of amps to try. |
@viber6
Lyngdorf room correction fixes room problems like you described.
You can put large speakers in smaller rooms ... no problem. |
@viber6
Please don’t assume that Lyngdorf can’t do it , until you hear it in action .
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@viber6
I have Lyngdorf and Large speakers .
Have you heard Lyngdorf ?
Don’t say that Lyngdorf room correction yields less benefit with large arrays unless you have heard it. That is a silly statement when you have Zero evidence of it . Lyngdorf can and will correct these problems . Please do not assume something until you have heard it and know for sure.
If you have ever heard Lyngdorf , you would not say this !
I have huge speakers in a 10x11.5 room that is open n one side. And i have Lyngdorf . What makes you so sure that the large panels won’t work right with Lyngdorf , when you have never used it or heard it ?
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@minorl
I would go with the Martin Logan if you want real bass.
I have never heard either,though .
It looks like they can do real bass as compared to the M3
It looks like F3 on the Neolith is about 23HZ
The Magico M3 really doesn't say ,except that the freq response is 24HZ to 50KHZ.
That tells me that at 24HZ , they are most likely 6DB down.
I have not heard either , but it is hard to get a lot of Bass out of 7inch woofers compared to a 15 and a 12 |
Emotiva XPA-1 Gen 1 & Gen2 Amps are harsh when driven hard. I have owned Gen1 and Gen 2 both.
If you drive them very hard at all they become Harsh.
Viber6, I am beginning to think that you believe a harsh sound is normal.
The Emotiva XPA- is also Bass heavy. It is a Great bass amp.
I agree that they are great for the money , BUT if driven very hard , they can be harsh |
Well Viber6, you have me wrong . .I’ll just leave it at that. A laid back sound also allows you to play louder without being harsh , or ripping your ears off. I too listen mostly at 90-95 db peaks. |
Viber6, I agree .UNAMPLIFIED live music is not Harsh. I concur that live unamplified music can be loud enough to be annoying, but is not harsh . My point is that when amplified is when it sometimes can be harsh,
My music is amplified . So what is your point again.
My point is that if I turn mine up a bit (since it is somewhat laid back ) i have more head room before it becomes harsh , distorted or clipped by the amp. It sounds LIVE when turned up , but also gives me nothing harsh.
The point that i am making is that most highly resolving , up front systems that put you in the first or second row can play ok at moderate levels , but because they are perfect sounding this way, they tend to get bright or harsh when turned up to higher concert or Live party type of levels. |
@whitecamaross
I think in your room you would need Lyngdorf with something like the Neoliths , I think that they would be boomy
otherwise
. My Tekton DIs are boomy in my room without Lyngdorf .
You have been talking about trying it . That would be the right time ... with the Neoliths |
@spinnaker01
No you don’t "Got it already" and neither does WCSS or technodude. ... not until you hear it
@Viber6
Please stop assuming you know what Lyngdorf will do or not do with Neoliths or panels . You do not know. . Besides that ,Lyngdorf corrects the Room , not the speakers.
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You do NOT need subs with the Tekton Encore. Cheaper than all of the above mentioned.....and probably better too ! |
@whitecamaross
I would not be sure that the Tekton Encore is a step backwards . You are already determining what you think of them before you try them !!!... and comparing them to Hyundai. Come on Man... REALLY ? Read the reviews .... they are not Hyundai.
You would be shocked by them IMO.
I can’t believe that you really have those preconceived notions. |
Well WC , what do you expect? You have already decide because of their price that they are Hyundai. Big Mistake! Obviously you do not know enough about them . So all of those reviewers at Stereotimes bought Hyundais ! Here is from Stereo Times. C’mon man ! Just because they aren’t 30k doesn’t mean you should assume that they are Hyundai ! At least hear them before you decide how good or bad they are. If you get them, be prepared as you can hear every cable change , tube change , preamp, or amp change ...very easily . They are very transparent and 3D Tekton Design’s wunderkind, Eric Alexander, has created a lot of buzz over the past five years with a series of most exceptional yet affordable loudspeakers. My first audition was less than a year ago when I reviewed the Double Impact speaker (reviewed here). With its $3,000 asking price, it catapulted Alexander into iconic status. Not since Albert Von Schweikert introduced his VR-4 in 1993 has a loudspeaker been so well received by so many music lovers with so little monetary outlay. As of this review, Stereo Times writers Dave Abramson, Frank Alles, Mike Wright, Mike Girardi, Ron Cook, Greg Voth, Ed Van Winkle, Moreno Mitchell, as well as myself, use Tekton loudspeakers in their reference system. This situation, dear reader, is unprecedented in our magazine’s 20 year history! I have never heard the systems of Dave Abramson, Frank Alles, Mike Girardi, Mike Wright, Ron Cook or Moreno Mitchell, yet these writers have all come to the same conclusion as myself: Tekton loudspeakers are very, very special.
Above are the first 2 paragraphs of the Tekton Encore review.. http://v2.stereotimes.com/post/tekton-design-encore-loudspeaker/
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Alexia 2 is my guess .
Which most of us cannot afford . If most of us cannot afford it ,why would we be interested ?
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@whitecamaross
Please do not take anything that I say personal.
I am just stating my opinion ,and am not trying to make you mad in any way.
I hope these new speakers will be able to do BASS well.
If so ,then the music that i sent you will sound much better as most of it has good bass.
I guess for me to say that i am not interested if you buy some 50 k ish speakers is somewhat wrong. I am still interested in your reviews and finding , just like everyone else. I should correctly say that I will be disappointed since I cannot afford them, rather than uninterested
I still am not forgiving you for referring to Tekton as Hyundai , though :)
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Actually the more I think about it , Tekton is more like Chevrolet and the Double Impacts are like a Camaro SS. The Encores , and Ulfberht like a Corvette. They all give you a Hell of a lot of performance for the money. |
Viber, I tried to listen to that but , I fell asleep at about 2 minutes in .
I am just kidding. It was actually at 1:42 in.
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@bigddesign3
I agree 100% that Sabre ESS DACs are bright, for sure !
I have never found a Sabre Dac implementation that was good. |
Cables can make a difference too for more 3D sound.
Some are better at it than others |
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@Viber6
That is your opinion, which , of course is wrong . I am not missing HF info. It is all there . |
@viber6 Tubes are real sounding, not rolled off. Different tubes and Tube Amps have different sound , just like any ss amps and their components and design have different sounds. It is true that it would be difficult to find the right tube amps to work on the Neoliths. Here is some mono tube amps that should do it well. https://www.usatubeaudio.com/product/amplification/atma-sphere-ma-3-mk-3-3/. These are much less than the amps he is wanting ,and well worth a try IMO. I keep getting the feeling that if the treble doesn’t pierce your ears or rip your head off, you think that it is lacking. I and, many others here will disagree. |
67000... you missed a zero. |
I am curious as to what songs or Artists have you played on the Neoliths .
Have you tried all kinds of music ?
Anything that stands out ?
Surely you have played much more than just Dire Straits?
Do they sound good with all kinds of music or are they suited to certain types ? |
I would not plug amps into a conditioner either |
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@whitecamaross you are obviously hung up on how much something costs.
Lots of amplification does not have to mean expensive.
Why are you so hung up on cost.you always state that upfront.as if it means everything...it doesn’t. Many here have tried to express that to you..but you don’t get it.
The Tekton speakers from 3k to 12k will come much closer ,if not surpass what you have tried at much less cost.
Read the reviews. At least 7 or 8 reviewers at
Stereotimes own the Tekton encores or ulfberhts as their reference speakers.
Lots of other speakers and amps out there that perform as well or better than what you have or have tried for much less!
Cost does not = performance!
Maybe someday when you are more experienced you will understand it.
Maybe ..??? |
I agree that it would probably help (Rane) but i use the EQ in JRiver Media Center which works very well. I mostly leave it flat, but when needed i can adjust |
Try some Bela Fleck, Keb Mo’, Jing Chi, Melvin Taylor and the Slack band ( He will be standing in front of you )
Huge Soundstage on that one
Try that Ayon Audio Cd I sent you. .....crank it up :) .
It has a lot of good ones .Tin Pan Alley (SRV) ,Bela Fleck, ETC.It is Worth a listen
Mushroom Jazz 6 for sure
Oh You Absolutely MUST hear the Kruder &Dorfmeister K&D Sessions .Then... Cranked UP
I sent it to you ... so you have it
Also that Nightmares on Wax should be really good .. gotta crank it a bit ! |
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be patient .a lot of good stuff on all of those I mentioned.... should be really good on the Neoliths
The K &D sessions will blow your mind
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@dguitarnut
You are the one who needs to reign in the Nonsense.
Tekton Lore is nowhere near the Double Impact, Encore,or Ulfberht .You need to open your mind . Have you heard the Double Impact , Encores ,or Ulfberhts ? Those are the Tekton speakers that could compete. Power cord cost doe not equal performance either. You guys kill me with the "This cost 4 times more so it is better " thinking.. TOTALLY WRONG
WC, you can’t say you know how they perform until you try them. You can think you do , but you would be wrong . !
Eric Alexander is laughing all the way to the BANK !! |
