My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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So I found this video of the neoliths.. they don’t seem to have much more space than what I have... hmm I’m confused 

https://youtu.be/V8eLHyn32To
Mike: you need to dump those 601s... if I let you hear a single luxman 900u amp and preamp you would hear why. 


Jafant: add luxman d08u and esoteric k1 to the list. 
Esoteric os #1 as a dac and spinner 
luxman d08u #2 as a spinner
simausio 650 #3
gamut # 4

teknodude: I need a Speaker I can actually sell when I’m done with it lol. 

Stargazer: no plans of anything naim

ok boys and girls. I just spoke to Logan and they seem to believe the neoliths will work just fine in my room. That I should have zero concerns. 
Hahaha ok maple. Man oh man.. I have my index finger on the trigger.... sigh... big sigh. I’ve analyzed everything you can possibly think of and it checks all the boxes in terms of the room, pricing, components that I have for the speaker, and they barely squeeze in my home through the sliding door but they make it inside. It’s a 3 man job to get the neoliths in here... probably takes a half a day just to uncrate them, get them out and bring them in the house. Then another half a day storing the crates, positioning the speakers, etc.
Then i need another person to help unpack the Krell 700cx when it arrives here in about 10 days or so. The plan is the Audio Research Ref 10 which i will get this week, the krell FPB 700CX, Esoteric k1, Neoliths, Wireworld cables or cardas clear. If the krell does not move me then i will try my pass labs 350.8 since i still have it and then the diablo 300. I do not want to keep the luxman set up at that point because i will be having most of my funds in the speakers rather than electronics. Right now, i have most of my money in components and less in the speakers so i want to see what happens when you spend most of your budget in speakers and less in the electronics. 

Audiolabyrinth: it was recapped in 2015. 
Mike: I get your point and I was there until I realized how mid fi minctosh truly is. They compete with the Brystons, parasounds, Nad, rotel, anthem. They don’t compete with the audio research, luxman, Jeff Rowland’s, simaudio, esoteric, accuphase etc. But yet they are charging top dollar? Why ? Well their name has carried them this far. You have any idea how many dealers have offered me the 1.25kw? The 611s? Customers are trading them in due to their disappointment. 
That said, it’s your $ but I’ve been where you are. There’s a whooole Lot of stuff out there that will best those 601s and possibly for less. People fall in love with the lights and the cool look. That’s pretty much one of the biggest reasons why McIntosh exists. 
a lot of McIntosh sensitivity here. I understand that. I was there until I decided to move up the ladder and that is when I realized  how behind McIntosh is. 
pass labs really demolished anything McIntosh I’ve owned. Then I left pass labs and ventured with luxman, and luxman killed pass labs. I tried the krell 402e with a ref10 and the simaudio 860a killed it with detail and smoothness. Then the luxman 900u had a battle with the 860a and ultimately I thought the luxman was the winner. Soon after, I met Rowland and well Rowland 925s came in and slammed the door. Yes, that’s a really small scenario of what happened here. im sure I left something out but this is just a Quick story. 
Sorry but McIntosh is mid-fi and I don’t see it going anywhere. Bryston is decent well built gear but you’re not exactly competing against what I mentioned above. 
If I had to choose between McIntosh or Bryston I’d choose McIntosh based on its ease to sell it and get your money out. McIntosh is the best brand to have your money in. Nothing moves faster than McIntosh gear. If they could only make something worth me keeping... 
Update: I have a great opportunity to purchase a pair of pass labs 160.8s with the matching xs preamp.... I’ve never heard that preamp but I want to. 
i just listed my luxman 590x integrated. Grab it before it’s gone!! There is none available at this time. 
Ok guys,
i want your gut feeling on this:
luxman 900u Monos/900u preamp
versus 

ref10/krell 700cx

What do you think will sound better with my Sasha 2s? 

I will say I didn’t like pass labs 350.8 with ref 10 and my speakers... too warm sounding and I using silver 7 cables which suppose to make the highs brighter...

give me your thoughts 
Interesting guys. I have a gut feeling that the krell 700cx won’t have the level of refinement of the 900u. I just feel like the older amps had graininess or harshness or just not the same level of resolution. I remember trying the 402e with my ref6 and it was ok but it wasn’t like wow omg. The ref10 and simaudio was spectacular though but not with Wilsons. It was jaw dropping with the salon 2s I owned. 
Well the 700cx will be a great experiment for sure. I plan on using the ref10 with it. 
I couldn’t spend 46k on cables to be honest. I’d be sleeping with the dog outside. Thr ref 10 will be used with the luxman 900u Monos later today and see what happens.  
So I just connected the ref10 to my luxman Monos. This is my preliminary feeling:

huge massive outrageous, all the way to the parking lot size soundstage. 
More relaxed sounding but almost too laid back. 
has all the ingredients but I feel it could be a synergy thing with my Wilsons and ref10. They just don’t seem to get along. I can probably use a bright amplifier at this time in order to throw more highs. It seems as if the sound opens up to the sides but doesn’t come at you. 
No, I used wireworld silver 7. 
That said, I just got done testing a very expensive power cord from a well know brand and I smell snake oil... my wireworld silver 7 powercord smoked it. This was using it with the ref10 which has now settled on my shelves indicating it’s staying. 
I have VERY VERY interesting feedback in regards to the Luxman 900u preamp versus ref10. I will post it when I have time this weekend. 
I Will have an electrician come out to do be 30a outlet.  What’s a good price to do this job ? How do I know of an electrician did indeed do a 30a ? Is there a way to test it ? 
Yes the integrated is amazing. I told everyone but you are always going to have some doubters. 
The diablo is probably going to be leaving my stable. After spending time with the luxman and now the ref10, I still prefer the luxman sound. It’s not a knock against the diablo. 
Guys it's the music.... You can't use any song you feel like playing on YouTube. It is copyrights. Usually the artist does not have a contract with YouTube where they make money from it. For instance, Fleetwood Mac is highly protected and YouTube won't allow any videos with their music. If the artists isn't making $$$, then YouTube can't play it. It's business at the end of the day. Sometimes the artist doesn't want just 25 cts for each time their songs play. Sometimes they want 1 dollar instead and YouTube gives them the middle finger. As simple as that. 
So this recommended outlet, can it sustain 30a?
i see one on eBay but I want to be sure I’m buying the correct one that will work with the 30a 
I am tired of the same songs too, but MOST OF YOU come back to complain that you can't compare to my older videos if i play new music. However, i am heading to new music very soon either way. My components have changed so my music needs to begin to transform as well. 
I keep saying the 509x is a steal... should be a hell of a lot more money. I haven’t played with the gryphon in the last 2 weeks. It’s like I lost the Desire. 
Thank you denon. I’ll continue to report. 
I will say that I own both right now and yes the Luxman is intoxicating and so are the 900u in mono mode. They are so spectacular to my ears that I dont see anything else I currently own besting it which includes the krell 700cx once I receive it next week. I just don’t see the krell coming in and smoking the 900u in mono configuration. I can see the krell being better in bass control and that’s where it will end. Will I spend a million dollars rewiring my home to see if the krell can beat the luxman 900us? Hell no. I’ll get the 20a outlet  done and a buy a nice  outlet and that’s it. If it doesn’t convince me then it’s going to be sold. 
This whole thing of having to buy crazy cables, circuit breakers, feet, still points, amp stands that dont vibrate, batteries to power components, etc just to edge out another component that needs none
of that is something I wont be a part of. I will buy that component that just needs a good power cord and a standard outlet instead. 
Roxy,
what I’m saying is I won’t do this:
30k amp
30k in cables, outlets, stillpoints etc
just to barely beat a 50k amp ? Hell no I won’t do that. I’ll just buy the 50k amp, plug it into any outlet and be blown away.
I Refuse to buy 15k power cord, 20k speaker cables etc. I just rather use that money to buy an amp that is more expensive that will sound good without so much damn drama. This is WHY I love Luxman. You can connect Luxman with Home Depot cable, the lamp cord you have next to your bed and use a PlayStation powercord for it and it will STILL sound damn good. 
Don’t get me wrong guys, cables make a difference but it won’t make a 20k difference. Instead of buying a speaker cable worth 20k, I rather a 20k source to make things sound better. 
I use silver 7 cabling and each time I try something else I end up going back to silver 7. Also, remember some brands are not affected by expensive cables. Pass labs is a perfect example. I’ve done a trillion experiments and don’t seem to hear any difference with different power cords. Pass labs then confirmed that their amps are designed internally in such a way that powercords don’t make any sort of huge impact on them. 
so the krell 700CX will be here this Thursday and the more i think about it, i don’t really think it will hold off the luxman 900u monos. It is an "old" design. It is a powerhouse,but i am here to tell you power means NOTHING. The luxman 900u demonstrated that to me many many times.
As a matter of fact, the Luxman 900u has made me stop listening to the diablo 300 and it keeps putting huge doubts in my mind that the krell 700cx will come close. If i were to put a $1,000 bet, my money is on the luxman monos. My krell 402e got its butt handed by another amp which i can’t recall which one it was (it wasn’t luxman). I hope i am wrong and that i am shocked by the krell, but all i suspect is that the krell will have a big amount of bass, big muscle and big control over my Sasha 2s, but it will be torn apart by the 900us when it comes to resolution, refinement, etc. 
I see it as this:
David vs Goliath
Mustang 5.0 versus Ferrari
Hemi engine vs inline 6 twin turbo
Bull versus Pasofino horse
Nascar racecar versus Formula 1 racecar

Those are the best comparisons i can think of. One being just raw power, muscle versus refinement, wisdom, technology etc. I do not think muscle will win this....

We shall see this weekend Guys...that said, I’m not about to embark on buying crazy cabling for the krell. I’ll do the 20a upgrade and a nice outlet. That’s it. It’s either going to beat the Luxman or it’s not. Not about to go buy turbos,
superchargers, nitrous, cams, ported heads etc so I can beat the other car. If I have to go through that much work then I’ll just buy the other car, pump gas and haul a$$. Why do you think I fell in love with the Camaro back in the 90s after owning a mustang ? Because the camaro was just faster and better. I had to do cams, heads, exhaust etc to be able to beat on the ls1 engine that only had an air intake and a shifter. To me, that’s the beautiful thing about having so many options. Why go through so much pain unless you are doing it because you
want to see what changed in your set up after adding a new tweak.
that said, maybe the krell does surprise me and puts on a show. I’m not totally counting it out.
Lastly, the Luxman 900u also made me realize how mid fi the pass labs 350.8 truly is... I’d own a Luxman 900u over just about any pass labs amp with the exception of the xs series.
Audiolabyrinth: I know your krell is not the same as mine. Yours has a boat load
of money invested in it and internal work. Mine is the pure work that came out of krell.  If mine loses, this doesn’t mean yours would. 
Although some of you are all about saving power or money , I don't turn my amps off ..yes this includes the gryphon which runs class a...(low bias setting ) 
I swear by this...

There has never been a more neutral amplifier than the one i am currently using. Not boulder, not constellation, not gryphon essence, not momentum, not NOTHING. 

I will be unveiling it hopefully by the end of the year. It's crazy good but you must have cojones to drive this thing. 

I was watching this bull riding documentary today and this guy named "J.B." is a skinny tall incredible bull rider. You need to be J.B. with this amp. 

I’ve been trying for ears to find an older car that’s better than a new one. Although I love the look of a -1969 camaro, i can’t say I love the engine or transmission. My perfect dream car has always been an old school muscle car with today’s engine and Transmission. 
Part of the reason why I love to go back in time with amplifiers is to see how good Good they are versus today’s offerings. I’ve still yet to find an old amp that rivals today’s best offerings. I remember hearing the pass labs 350.5 and when I compared it to the simaudio 860a, it sounded muffled, loose on the bass and with no finesse. 
That said, someone who doesn’t have anything to compare it to wouldn’t know any better. 
That would take too much effort here which I don’t want to put in...  there’s always people who can benefit from
what I write and those that don’t. I can’t please everyone and i don’t intend to. 
That said, make it about your own track, your own support crew and if you decide then you can bring one of the vehicles I’ve recommended to see how it performs. 
The truth here guys is that if I were to bring some crazy cabling, ultra expensive amps and preamps etc then MOST OF YOU would lose interest. Trust me, I received a few messages when I owned the rowlands from people that said they loved my journey but that I was starting to lose them with gear that they could not afford. I’ll try to keep “affordable” gear in this thread. 
If your speakers are turds, the mephisto can’t turn them into gold...
Gryphon hasn't been able to figure that out yet...
The beast is here... can’t take it out of the box. It’s awkwardly shaped. Monstrous size. Let’s see 
Well tomorrow night i hope to begin to make sure it is working perfectly before I begin to listen to it. The caps were replaced by krell in 2015 so not very long ago.
I will begin to listen with a standard 15a outlet until my electrician decides that he needs the money and then he will come out.
Anyhow, I am 60% leaning on the full luxman set winning it all but I also won’t lie that the massive juice of the krell which is pure class a along with the incredible ref10 will have something to say about it.
my source is the esoteric k1 and I will try 3 different types of speaker cables to see what happens.
Stay tuned... oh and if I find a deal on the krell MRA Monos then they will be next !

Lastly, I am about to pay for the next pair of speakers that will replace my beloved Sasha’s. No they are not the neoliths but they do retail for $60k+  and I can’t say anything else until they are here.... it is the one brand that I’ve wanted to try for a long time... I expect these speakers to demolish my Sasha’s and the alexias. 
So i have been playing the krell 700cx for the last hour and at first i was getting more mids on my left speaker. i tried 2 preamps with it, i tried the luxman as well and no it is not the speakers. i then went to run an errand and left it playing and now the sound has fixed itself. i suspect it is due to the capacitors needing to charge, etc the reason why i was getting imbalanced sound. 
My initial impressions using the 900u preamp are that this amp has amazing mids. Very clear, clean and articulate mids. I can understand every single word being sung by the artist. Bass control is world class for sure. The highs are not close to the luxman 900u highs. That said, i need to let it run longer and then insert the ref10 in the mix and see what happens. So far, i gotta be honest that this beast is no slouch. Not at all. 
Well so far today, the ref10/Luxman Monos just made my jaw drop... it is just mind boggling what I hear... 
Luxman 900u monos, ref10, esoteric k1, wireworld platinum usb cable, and silver 7 cabling all around has stolen the show right now.... this set up is a deadly deadly combination that can put a lot of people with far more expensive gear into tears..
Krell 700cx is amazing. Can’t knock it on anything but the Luxman 900us hace more detail, bigger soundstage, and I can listen to them for hours on end. 
Here’s the top 6 amps and their particular order indicates which one is better:

1. Rowland 925
2. Luxman 900u
3. Pass labs xs150
4. Simaudio 860a
5. Hegel h30
6. Krell 700cx

these rankings are based on my list of amps. It won’t include any amp I’ve never owned. Only amps I’ve owned.

Negative. The krell is better than the 350.8. Bigger, massive, with way more bottom end control. The 350.8 is not worth the asking price. The 860a is better than the 350.8 but if you have hard to drive speakers then the 350.8 is a better choice.
As I said above, pass labs is mid fi just like McIntosh and Brystons. The xs stuff is indeed better though... just too much damm heat in my opinion.
the only thing that sucks with the 700cx is that it’s old so failure rate could be high for many units. Mine is perfect because it was sent to krell in 2015 but the rest of them could be questionable but the fact that it can still be battling amps today is a huge statement. 
Well my new speakers are getting picked up Today. I will disclose what they are once they are officially on their way to me :)
Alright guys... the speakers I purchased were... drum roll!!!  
Vivid audio G1 !!! 
I’m highly excited to get them and see what these speakers are all about. I’ve heard nothing but good things about them so we shall see ...

Nice guido. I keep hearing so many good things about vivid audio. I wanted a speaker that is proven with the luxman and vivid is it...
My G1 speakers will come with version 2 tweeters.... man i am very excited and this speaker should easily Best the Alexia I was trying to buy ..
Due to my need to sell off some of my gear in order to have funds available to purchase a few other things, I have decided to sell the krell, Wilson Sasha 2, pass labs 350.8. They will be very much missed. 

Wrapping things up here. Listened to the momentum set up for 3 hours , 47 min straight. Stay tuned, lots of feedback coming.