My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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It’s a dog fight here between integrateds. I left both on all night long and I’m listening now.... things have morphed now that both were left on for over 24 hours. 
Good post techno dude. Both integrateds are stellar and incredible in so many different ways. Tomorrow I will be receiving the Luxman 900u amps and the preamp. First time ill be listening to Luxman 900u in mono. On Thursday I’m picking up the new wireworld gold series 8 speaker cables to try. 
Kw6: it’s not the integrated. It’s the 509x....
denon: thanks. As far as the finale of this show, they are already here packed in my garage. They landed here today. Luxman 900u monos and preamp. 4th owning this stuff but it’s the first time doing it mono.
I don’t expect the 9500 integrated to
hang with 45k worth of Luxman gear.
I expect the combo to attempt to take down the Rowland 925s if anything.

So yes the gryphon 300 and Luxman 900u are excellent. Both present different walls of sound. It’s almost like saying Lamborghini vs Ferrari. It’s about taste and flavor at that point. Bottom line guys, neither blows away the other. If your budget is 9500 then get the Luxman. Don’t feel bad for not getting the gryphon. You aren’t missing anything. The only time I can recommend the gryphon is if you have crazy hard to drive speakers. Something like rockports. For the money, the Luxman is better no question. But overall, they are both excellent.
Don’t get all worked up as far as what’s better. The only thing is the gryphon is certainly harder to get but so is the Luxman 509x. Both are just outstanding for little money.
PLEASE DONT CONFUSE THE LUXMAN 590 with 509!!!!!! 
now the esoteric k1 is the best component I own... incredible
Word on the street is that the new McIntosh 611/1.25kw sound terrible... hint hint...
i like the diablo. No doubt but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if I couldn’t afford it and had the Luxman. 
UPDATE:
I have listed my M900U AMPLIFIER AND C900U PREAMPLIFIER FOR SALE. I HAVE 2 M900Us amplifiers as you know. I am making a bold move by selling them right away. Bigger plans are coming and these 3 pieces have to go!!
Luxman integrated will be listed soon as well. If you wanted any of these luxman pieces, go check out my listing for them!
Nothing was realized. I heard my monos with the 900u and it’s a superior experience to the Luxman integrated. More soundstage, more detail, far more separation and less congestion. Pretty much it sounds like the integrated but to a much more massive scale. Never run out of steam regardless of the load. Is it better than the Rowland 925 with the 900u? No it is not. The only thing I’d say it has over the Rowland is the size of the soundstage. It’s larger and nice 3D sound. 

I am moving them out because I want to purchase something I’ve never tried. I got a chance to buy something at a great deal so I need to let them go. Someone will be extremely happy with these. After Rowland’s, this is the besr I’ve heard. 
Just plugged in the new wireworld gold
eclipse 8 speaker cables and it’s a HOLY SH@T improvement without even breaking in.... wow im super impressed 
The fun with integrateds is beginning. I am selling stuff off and only keeping gryphon. I had to sign something not allowing me to sell it anywhere online. Gryphon May be in my garage for quite sometime. Gryphon reads my thread here. They aren’t stupid but neither am I. They love to control the used market. 
In terms of speakers, so far I’m contemplating these:
b&w 800d3
martin Logan 15a
paradigm persona (not sure on which model)
wilson Alexia
Magico s3 mk2 

Hahaha. No raidho for me. Heard them before and they are just blah. Not my cup of tea. 
Im contemplating either speakers or amp/preamp options. Not sure yet. My luxman pieces are all for sale now and listed so once those are gone then I’ll know what I want to do next. 
Canceled order. Won’t come anymore. 
The luxman integrated is crazy good. It’s almost insane to believe it’s only 9500. It should be 15k retail. What an amazing bang for the buck. I can’t praise it enough. 
Update: the c900u and m900u components need to be connected to the wall. DO NOT CONNECT THEM TO A STUPID POWER CONDITIONER OR POWER REGENERATOR.  I did this and they lost magic. Now they are connected into the wall and they are back to sounding huge. 
Ok guys, i have received messages from quite a few of you asking me to put down my thoughts on the m900u with the c900u. i just got done doing a comparison for the last 3 hours between the luxman 509x, gryphon diablo 300, luxman c900u and a single m900u.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE MY IMPRESSIONS USING WILSON AUDIO SASHA 2s and the esoteric k1 sacd/dac, wireworld silver 7 interconnects, wireworld gold eclipse 8 speaker cables.

Gryphon DIABLO 300 PROS: Gobbs of muscle and detail. It is so powerful, almost like a DODGE VIPER engine. It is the integrated to have if you need that sound that fills the room with huge dynamics and a massive stage. Speaking of massive soundstage, the gryphon diablo 300 surprised me from the beginning. The sound was just enormous. It really is an impressive piece.


Gryphon Diablo 300 CONS: Although it has muscular sound, when you get trigger happy there is a slight hardness in the mids. It is not extremely bad, but depending on the vocals you can get a little "shoutiness" which is not present with luxman. I also feel that with this piece you can’t skimp on your source. If your source is a crappy 2,000 dollar dac or an oppo bluray 205 to feed it music, you might as well don’t buy this. It is not going to forgive cheap sources. You have been warned.

LUXMAN 509X PROS: First off, lets not confuse this luxman with the 590. IT IS NOT THE SAME INTEGRATED. Anyhow, with this out of the way one of the best things i noticed here was the incredible smoothness. People if you have been tired of your speakers sounding harsh at times or too forward then this is your ticket to fix that. Everything sounds good through this machine and nothing has really made me cringe or feel as if something is not sounding right. The mids are glorious and elevated in the air between the speakers. INSANE MUSICALITY. It has outstanding bass (maybe a tad more than the m900u) and just looks gorgeous.
It also does not run hot at all. Everyone who has seen it here has commented how beautiful it looks. Also, the meters use LEDs so you won’t have to worry about it having a bad light or anything like that.

LUXMAN 509X CONS: IF you are the type of person that likes your music aggressive, in your face and pushes you against the couch then this is not the unit for you. Its presentation is more relaxed, smooth and musical.

LUXMAN 900U COMBO PROS: LAYER AND MORE LAYERS OF DETAIL THAT THE 509X ONLY GIVES YOU A TASTE OF. With this combo, you get the full course meal while the 509x only gives you the appetizer. The mids are beautiful, clean, and an incredible amount of 3d soundstage. I also hear far more instrument decay and an "echo" effect that shows you the size of the recording. The level of musicality here is incredible. Never any fatigue at any point regardless of the volume level. Very tight bass with no overhang. The 900u amp pushed my Wilsons louder than i could ever listen for more than a minute. Never felt the need for monos, but of course i will try at some point.

LUXMAN 900U COMBO CONS: PRICE, RUNS HOT. Inability to get off the couch and go to bed at night. It does not best the rowland 925s when it comes to more articulation. The rowland 925s are still the top amplifier with incredible transparency, but at double the price of a pair of m900u.

That said, please know that the source i used is a $31k source along with $10k speaker cables. This has a profound effect in my analysis that some of you may not be able to hear if you bring any of these 3 components home in the future.

I hope this puts it all in better perspective for you all. Happy father’s day to all of you crazy maniac audiophiles like myself.
Riaa: yes dealers won’t discount it unless you’re a customer who’s spent massive dough with them. Nothing was said about the used market ever. Nobody can predict what it will do. If that was indeed a trade, that dealer paid probably little money for it. 
Rshad: thanks for following my thread. Yes indeed the diablo is amazing in many different ways. Chord Dave sounds fantastic as well. For now I’m staying quiet in regards to my next step and I’m just enjoying the gryphon 300, luxman integrated and 900u Monos all at once. It’s great !!!
@tjassoc
thanks for your comment above. You bring up an interesting point which is that yes, most of you listen to my videos or just youtube videos in general using your iPhone/android with headphones and yes i am talking about the cheap 20 dollar headphones that come with the phones. Then there is another group that has a better set up to listen, but honestly how many people do you REALLY think that is?
I am not opposed to eventually getting a better mic system/ recording equipment , but i gotta put things into perspective. WHY am i going to offer you an expensive steak cooked to perfection and you are going to drench it with BBQ sauce?
I can assure you I paid more for mine. But I’m happy to keep it as back up in the garage for now. Luxman is center stage for me right now. Gryphon has taken a backseat to the luxmans musicality for now. Maybe if I get other speakers I’ll want to use the gryphon. I have a pair of olympica 2s on their way to me and I will possibly go after the new focal scala evo speakers. I’m just trying to convince myself to get them rather than a used pair of maestros 3 instead. Not sure. Still a bit confused. 
Luxman 509x is THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK. It’s made me question why I own expensive separates. $9500 retail is robbery. Luxman should have charged 15k retail for this piece. It’s worth 15k all day long. However, maybe that’s why they are sold out for months. I got word that the price will increase soon. You know what they said, as demand increases, price will as well. Outstanding component for the money. Again, it should be 15k retail.
Esoteric k1 is special. The best source but also very expensive. I did not use the luxman since I have it sold. It’s just sitting on the shelf unplugged. I am using the esoteric k1 and it sounds incredible with the luxman. I also noticed that cabling will make a tremendous difference with these pieces. 
Once I am ready to part ways with my 509x, I’ll list it. I’m just not there... 
Ok guys. Looks like I may have the guts to move out of my Wilson audio Sasha 2 and move into the paradigm persona 7f. 
I selected the persona based on the price point, passive design and I want to be able to hear that bass coming out of my amplifiers rather than having built in powered woofers like the 9h. 
Anyone here ever made the switch ? 
I cancelled the order. Something in me doesn’t let me make the move. The Sasha 2 has this thing about it that it makes me not want to move out of them.
No good deals yet. Need to make calls to get one and hopefully they can give me good money for mine 
the 509x is superior to the 590... 590 sounds sluggish, not as punchy. The only thing it may have a slight edge on is the highs due to it being class a. That is where it ends in terms of comparison. The entire 509x is better and it can drive more difficult loads than the 590. With the 590 you are limited to certain speakers. Just my .02cts. 
Update: i just listened briefly to the 900u monos vs the 509x and the diablo 300.
At low volume i would give the edge to the 509x due to its crazy amount of detail. The gryphon is right behind it and the luxman 900u monos take last spot.
That said, once you begin to crank things up, this is what begins to take place:

1. Gryphon imposes its muscular bottom end. It is clear, great separation, but depending on the material it might once in a while scream at you. I also found that because of its massive muscular signature and "in your face" sound, it can lead to not so long listening sessions if you are blasting it.

2. Luxman 509u: it opens up and keeps you listening, but because it is already a tad more detailed than the 900u monos at low volume, that detail can transform into a slight brightness when cranked up. May be it needs more break in?

3. luxman 900u monos: As soon as you push them, the sound begins to crawl out of the speakers and pours left, right, top and bottom and it begins to create a bubble of sound that wraps behind your head. Very dynamic and extremely engaging. You can blast this to 100 decibels and you can literally sit there and not know it is playing that loud. Ever been in a car at 100mph and it does not feel like you are going that fast because it is so smooth and composed? That is what it feels like with the 900u in mono mode. Unlike both integrateds which begin to suffer when you really push them hard, that is not the case for the 900u monos.
Some of the gryphon owners might disagree with my statement above, but try blasting it and see how long you can handle the music it puts out at loud volumes?
Lastly, you can not just sit in front of a component for 3 minutes and already know it is better than the other. I can understand that "preliminary feeling" which has happened to me, but as you sit and listen and listen then figure out which one you end up listening to for longer periods of time? THAT would be the component that your ears like best.
Audiolabyrinth: I suspect we will be talking once I get that amp here. I am now thinking of doing the ref10/krell 700 and the massive Neoliths. That should be one scary set up.
alexias are still on my list. I got a great deal on a pair of Neoliths but I don’t know if my room can accommodate them. I mean they do fit for sure but I don’t know how big be room needs to be. I don’t want to spend that kind of money and be dissatisfied. Granted, the neoliths have always blown me away but I’d hate to bring them here and choke them. Anyone here tried Neoliths in a room of about 15x20? Speaker would be on the short wall. 
speaking of SS... I FINALLY FINALLY bought the one amplifier i wanted to get for many years ... yes people, i am going to do a throwback and bring home the monster KRELL FPB 700CX. i am going to see if indeed this beast can hang with the luxmans, gryphon, etc. Ever wondered what an old school monster amp can do against the new generation of amplifiers but mated with a kick a$$ current preamp such as the luxman 900u??? Will the krell 700cx squash my amps in here ? stay tuned..
i bet some of you are now REALLY staying tuned to watch and see what happens.  :) 
Haha. I knew you all would love the idea of trying that King Kong of an amp against the new offerings. See the one thing that will be interesting is seeing if that old amp can sound better with today’s preamps. That will be the story I want to read. Let’s see what happens... Luxman 900u ? Another ref 10?? Maybe a matching krell preamp ? How will the amazing esoteric k1 help elevate that amps performance ??
The more and more I listen to Luxman, the less and less I want to plug in my other amplifiers. It’s so difficult to get off the couch when listening to Luxman. It’s like you submerge in musicality that you can’t find elsewhere.  It’s like ripe fruit that is sweet and juicy enough that you can’t seem to stop eating it. 
The esoteric k1 and Luxman combo is outstanding FYI. I briefly plugged in the gryphon last night after it being on for about 24hrs and it just sounds laid back. However, it could also be the cardas clear audio speaker cables as well. These cables sound amazing with Luxman.
 I also realize that the key to this is find that component that allows you to listen for hours and your ears don’t get tired. That is what’s made me sit and listen more and more. 

As far as the krell 700cx, I got a couple of preamps I am thinking of:
pass labs xs
luxman 900u
ref10

i will say I DID NOT like the synergy of my last ref10 and my Wilsons. Magic didn’t seem to happen as it did with the revel salon 2s.
Thanks John, I take all criticism well and it does not bother me at all whether there is good or bad feedback. You can’t please everyone in life. You can’t please everyone in your family can you? it is part of everyday living. I share my best feelings and without being "sentimental". I have built quite a few nice set ups for many of my followers and each they they communicate with me for a reason. I can’t come here and type everything i know and not get any rewards... I am a busy person and have a job, a life, a family, etc. If i were to put down on paper every single detail of what i own, don’t own, how many hours i have on each component, how long i had the amplifier before i listened, etc then this becomes a full time job and to be quite blunt, i am not getting a penny.
This thread should be for you to sit down, digest and you make your own decision on what your next piece of equipment should be. I am not here to make sure each person gets EXACTLY what they need. That is what dealers are for and they are the ones who will put that kind of time and resources because they will profit from you which is how it should be. They need to get compensated for their knowledge and advice so you dont have to do this a full time job for you.
Remember, i build systems, help others, recommend based on my sole experience and those audiophiles are very happy with what i have recommended/built for them because they literally leapfrogged all the crappy stuff in the middle. The person who bought my Rowlands is a long time follower who started with luxman. The gentleman who bought my ref10 and other items is also a follower. They are people who text me, communicate when something is wrong, ask for tweaks/advice etc and yes i also need to make a little something in order to justify the family time i am missing out on. That said, only very few people understand this and these are the people who i tend to help to the best of my knowledge. In the end, my notes on this forum and this long thread are a "condensed" version of my deep knowledge. Kinda like a "free trial" version of a software where you are only getting certain features to function and not the full version.
If i were to put full effort into helping each and every one who reads this so they can have the best set up given your taste, finances, room size, etc then when do i sleep? when do i watch my daughter grow? Unfortunately, the good ol' saying " time is money" is very true. 
Steve: You are clearly bitter and that’s fine. That said, there’s an X at the top of the screen that allows you to click out of it. Oh wait, you are here reading this everyday right? You bash me yet you will continue to read me aren’t you ? If you feel my advice is useless, I respectfully disagree but you can easily stay out and move on.

RIAA: thanks man. Yep, I have my ways and yep we are both lunatics. :)

TECHNODUDE: I appreciate your feedback. Yes, you nailed it. It’s my hard earned money. My time, my back doing all the lifting, IT IS ALL ME. Why should I care about Steve’s bitterness ? Maybe he’s mad as hell that he is stuck with a pioneer receiver and zenith speakers?

RON: yep you did advice me and I have not forgotten that. I did take notes with what you recommended when we last communicated. It is work which I can’t really commit to right now. I’d love to go in that route. I bet Steve will tune in ? Lol

All in all guys, these are toys, a fun hobby. It’s supposed to be for you to satisfy whatever is in you. Maybe you like listening to the same speakers and amp for a year before you move on to something else ? That’s totally fine. It doesn’t fit ME, MY PERSONALITY, my OCD, or my ears.
Maybe I don’t mind deadlifting my 150 lbs amps off the floor every week? I’m 6’1, 270 lbs so it’s not a hard task.
Anyhow, I think this week we have a couple of sensitive people lurking my thread. That’s fine, trolls happen and that’s part of the internet. Notice how I don’t go bashing or trolling other threads? Oh wait, that’s because I’m more worried about doing my own thing that to make it rain on someone else’s parade.


Audiolab: sorry about that. I’m using cardas clear speaker cables, wireworld silver 7’and gold eclipse 8. 
thanks klh . i may be able to make a couple of calls. My heart tells me GET THE NEOLITHS, STRAP THE KRELL 700CX AND AUDIO RESEARCH REF10 AND WATCH YOUR JAW DROP, but my mind says NOT SO FAST. ROOM IS AN ISSUE, TOO SMALL, AND IT MAYBE THE BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY DUE TO THE SPACE..... so that is my current battle and this is why i haven't bought the neoliths. This is why i want everyone to give me feedback, links to other forums, etc where i can convince myself or maybe abandon the idea completely and get a pair of wilson audio alexias instead. 
Thanks so much Greg and Bob. It is because of guys like you and the rest that had nothing but great things to say about me the reason why I keep doing this. There is always going to be those that are bitter about anything in life. That’s fine and I accept that. I love doing this and will continue to push forward with this. 

Anyhow, I am seriously thinking of buying the Martin Logan neoliths. That said, after doing some measurements it appears that the speakers will only be about 8 feet apart and about 1 foot away from sidewalls and rear walls. Im not convinced that this is fine for them? Can’t seem to find anyone who’s done it successfully with my available space. 
Ok guys: you all will be in the drivers seat on this one: convince WHY I should or should not buy Martin Logan neoliths given what I said above as far as how they’d be in my room. If you can find threads or posts on other sites to back up your claims then please let me see those. I have tried searching to see what others do. I don’t give a D@amn about what the reviewers say as you know by now. By the time a reviewer is done reviewing a a product, I’ve reviewed 30 of them. I appreciate their knowledge but I do take their feedback with reservations. Think about it, when was the last time you read something that said “ this product is really the most anemic sounding and lacks everything” or just “ this is a waste of money”. I think the only review I’ve seen is that one of the paradigm persona bookshelf speakers where he said he had to stop listening because there was too much brightness From those tweeters or something like that... THAT is what I want to see. You WANNA KNOW WHY GUYS? You wanna know WHY that type of review is good? Because it forces the hell out of manufacturers to not create bs products. It keeps them on their toes and if magazines were hard on them, they would be scared as hell to release crap that is not well put together. This is beneficial to us all because it protects our hard earned money. We would have far more quality products to choose from.
This is why I like being honest with products. I love to select those pieces I feel are a great investment and I’m trying to share this with you. I don’t want you all to buy 300 amplifiers like I have until you find the one. Rather, just read my views and trust me you will skip a ton of bs products where you will lose your a$$ off financially and sonically speaking. 
Hahaha. That is funny Ron. Some say I was too big for the 4 door sedan I had and once I started to haul heavy stuff I just decided to go into a big Yukon xl and call it a day.